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join:2002-06-27
San Diego, CA
1 edit | Good Deal! At $29.95... the 768-1.5 mbit/128k DSL package from SBC is hard to beat.
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
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join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
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| Re: Good Deal! With the caps cable has, the no server restrictions of DSL, plus what you just mentioned, I say DSL could start to take over. I guess most home users don't care about hosting servers, but as people use more bandwidth intensive apps the caps will become very annoying for all.
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| Re: Good Deal! With me personally this is the sticking point that makes me stay with DSL. Even though my speeds aren't that great (512/128) I don't really need more and being able to run my servers is very sweet. While my cable I had previously offered better speeds my DSL is more consistent and stable.
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Lincoln, NE | Re: Good Deal! 128 up is enough to host a Web site? | |
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sraz
join:2003-06-07
Tucson, AZ
| Yeah the caps on cable suck, I hope to get DSL at my new house especially that new T1 speed tier. Going thru a local ISP I can get the fast service for 37.99/month. I WILL feel sorry for those on cable with the 200k uploads.
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN | Re: Good Deal! I pound my cable at 3mbit all night long, had cable for 6 years and never a problem or a cap.... Host a server etc... I even work for an ISP and sell DSL... I'd NEVER SWITCH to DSL my cable kills it. | |
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StarTopology
@uu.net
| Re: Good Deal! Cable Modems are great. You just have to tell your neighbor they suck. That is really the biggest problem for cable. Unlike DSL where the customer has there own cable pair all the way back to the central office you are sharing your coax connection with those on your street. You either have neighbors that don't have a cable modem, or they are on at different times than you. | |
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Premium
join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Good Deal! That's funny, I work at an ISP, and beleive me DSL is just as much of a shared medium as Cable. I think you should review the definition of broadband. That's the only way to make money is by overselling bandwidth. DSL is pretty slow, all my neighbors get like 670k and I test at 3400kbps on my cable (and cable has been around for 8 years where I live) | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| Re: Good Deal! All internet service is a shared service. But with Cable you are sharing your node with your neighbors. With DSL you are sharing at the CO or RT. And even if your pipe is clean up to the CO/RT or up to your node you are still sharing the internet with everybody else in the whole world. This was best demonstrated with the blaster worm.
The problems of oversold COs is more or less a thing of the past and is almost NEVER a problem anymore.
DSL speeds are not 670k and cable speeds are not 3400kbps. DSL speeds are based on what is available in your area and what you decide to buy. Cable speeds are which plan you decide to buy. Some people are seeing ~4000kbps/550kbps speeds with DSL for less than $50/month. It depends on where you are and who your ISP is.
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Good Deal! I work at an ISP and sell DSL daily... Speed has nothing to do with the CO or RT. It has to do with Distance from the CO or RT (How much you sync up at is one thing). You can sync up solidly at 1500 with dsl but that doesn't mean your going to get it.... From the CO it goes into a redback router, and from the redback router it's routed to either the ISP (if you go through a differnt ISP) or the Providers ATM. This is where everyone meets and the main ATM's come together and the speed is shared. So this is a connecting point in which several lines come together. That is the exact same definition as a node. | |
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Good Deal! said by Maxo  :
Sure it does. Anyone on an RT can get whatever speeds are sold by that ISP.
They can sync. up at the max speed based on the distance from these offices, however, that does not mean they will get 1500k once in sync. with 1500k. It depends on the ATM's delivering the bandwidth to the customers. Cable in the past has been known to have problems with bandwidth but those companies have since gone under. I have checked into cable in several different markets and people are actually getting over what they pay for. Where as DSL you will never get 768k if on that package. My neighbor never has even hit 760kbps.... The technology is unstable.... Very. | |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Re: Good Deal! then you're one of the lucky few
in almost the whole US (except for OH i think) there are no caps at all.
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join:2002-08-14
Missouri City, TX | i dunno about that with $45/month of basic phone service.
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| hehe, I beat it. I beat it outta my house and back in that hole where it came from.
bloatware. Why couldnt they just do DHCP like anyone else with half a brain. Instead there doing PPPOE! it requires extra software installed on your computer. Well I hear XP can handle it on its own.
anyway, SBC/Yahoo was slow, required too much garbage software to be installed to use, confusing (is it SBC or yahoo?), and spamware in that they tell you they will immediately sell your information to the devil himself.
SBC even has this hidden in their phone packages. So you gotta opt out of yahoo's garbage, and SBC's garbage on different levels...
Neva!
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Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| Re: Good Deal! said by dnoyeB :
hehe, I beat it. I beat it outta my house and back in that hole where it came from.
Go you, you are such a man.
said by dnoyeB :
bloatware. Why couldnt they just do DHCP like anyone else with half a brain. Instead there doing PPPOE! it requires extra software installed on your computer. Well I hear XP can handle it on its own.
Most ISPs are doing PPPoE on the modem now.
said by dnoyeB :
anyway, SBC/Yahoo was slow, required too much garbage software to be installed to use,
Most of that software isn't required and the reason they put all that software on the computer is because the average consumer actually wants it.
said by dnoyeB :
confusing (is it SBC or yahoo?),
So confusing, my head hurts, I want my mommy.
said by dnoyeB :
and spamware in that they tell you they will immediately sell your information to the devil himself.
Where?
said by dnoyeB :
SBC even has this hidden in their phone packages. So you gotta opt out of yahoo's garbage, and SBC's garbage on different levels...
What two levels are you talking about. During the installation you are given the option to have advertisements e-mailed to you and it is clear as day, not hidden anywhere or in fine print. And remember, SPAM is unsolicited e-mail. When you opt to have it sent to you that immediately makes it solicited, thus not SPAM. In conclusion you're 13. Here's your lollipop.
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| Re: I really don't care about DSL because.. I concur. I'm 21,000 feet and I'll never be able to get DSL. However, I've enjoyed cable-based HSI since the summer of 2000. SBC doesn't seem to care.
Until DSL solves the distance problem it will never catch. I think it's ridiculous for DSL to offer a competitive high-speed 3Mbit/second plan when they can only offer it to folks that aren't much more than a mile from the CO.
Competitively, there's no need for cable to respond but if they turned up the bandwidth and eliminated the server restrictions, they could bury DSL and take a bite out of the T1 market. | |
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RailRoadDude
Premium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
·Comcast
| Re: I really don't care about DSL because.. Pretty similar situation here too, only our CO has never been upgraded for DSL by Pacifc Bell, now SBC. We are about 18,000 cable feet from our CO, UKIHCA12. The only DSL is in Ukiah, about 8 miles south of us, our CO in Calpella, which serves North Ukiah, Calpella and Redwood Valley sits, still with no DSL in it. Pacbell promised years ago they'd have it upgraded by now, and have remote terminals in here, haha, good one SBC lol Adelphia has at the same time put cable modems in Ukiah, Calpella, Redwood Valley, Willits, Fort Bragg, Mendocino, Little River, Caspar, Albion and Inglenook, quite a feat considering this very rural county. I am getting 3200 down and 240-260 up on a 24x7/365 basis with Adelphia, and very low latency, and for being long time cusotmers (we were their first on in Redwood Valley when cable modems came out here in April of 2002), they let us have the next 12 months of service for 26.95 a month, not too shabby!
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| said by Jaime :
It seems that I'm just too far away from the CO, 14000 feet... So as long as Verizon keeps doing nothing about distance related connectivity I can care less if they increase packages or decrease their prices since I don't want 768/128.
This pretty much sums it up.
I waited 3 years in PA for DSL capable CO upgrade, got a DSL capable CO,  and network upgrade. NEVER CAME. 
Moved to FL to get reasonable rates on ISDN. (VOISDN wasnt offered till I left PA) So, I got ISDN, for some reasonable speed and to wait, again, , for another 3 years and still NO DSL just more RT'S & SLC's. NO Verizon doesn't do DSL capable RT's.
I gave up, and got cable modem from the local regional ISP. The ISDN lines will now be used for other connectivity/expansion of my network.
I really dont get Verizon and most of the other ILECS, OTHER than SBC.
ILEC Mentality:
1) Upgrade CO to DSL
2) Offer DSL to customers
3) If your in the distance limit, GREAT.
4) If NOT in distance limit, or non DSL RT, or SLC, TOUGH LUCK, BUGGER OFF!
In my area depending on the CO coverage, Verizon is THROWING AWAY 40-100% of the potential high speed customers.
To *me* this is a STUPID and MONEY LOOSING way to operate my company, if I was CEO.
New home plans in several areas around, me. SORRY CHARLIE NO DSL! NONE, NO HOPE EITHER. BUGGER OFF! Verizon just gave away 300 homes to cable internet.
As anti cable as I am, this is one area where the cableco WISED UP. They put the $$$ to UPGRADE their networks, ALL of their networks. While the ILECS, graced those lucky to meet the limit and no SLC/non DSL RT in the way the CHANCE to possibly get DSL.
SBC seems to have WOKEN up and got the hint that the cableco's did years ago. They are rebuilding their network to be DSL capable to ALL their customers. A little late to the game, but at least its a start.
The local Mom & Pop ILEC that was next to me in PA got the HINT and most of their customers could get near T1+ DSL in nearly 100% of their terrirory, and NO this was NOT subrbia! This was RURAL PA. Yes, I considered moving just for DSL, but SUN & WARM called. No more ICE, SNOW, and COLD for me. 
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SpitefulCrow
Insert Witty Tag Here
Premium
join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| I can't even get DSL at all. I tried to order it from a CLEC after DSLR told me I was close enough. A month goes by and I haven't seen anything remotely resembling DSL. So I call up the ILEC (Verizon) and it turns out I am too far away. DSLR can only give you street distance, not line distance. Six months later I finally got OOL. Damn good thing I wasn't stuck in a DSL contract! And I'll stick with OOL even if it goes up to something like $60/mo because CV upgraded their network when Verizon couldn't be bothered and I think my 10Mbit is worth as much as $60.
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sraz
join:2003-06-07
Tucson, AZ
| I know Qwest along with the other Bells are planning on rolling out thousands of remote terminals. Qwest has plans for 2000 alone. The Remote Terminal has a fiber link back to the CO so you just need to be close to the RT.
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outspoken72
An Irish Jayhawk
Premium
join:2000-10-03
| Cable is my choice Had I been able to keep my bundled cableTV/Internet package and pricing when I moved last summer, I would have stayed with TW Road Runner. It was a very solid connection. Consistently over 2MB/512Kb. The SBCYahoo package I have is ok, for the price. I am waiting for TW to openly release their voice/TV/BB in our area.
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Noley
join:2001-01-22
Tallahassee, FL
| Re: Cable is my choice I was on month to month DLS 1.5/256 for $60
Saw comcast upgraded their speed to 3.0/256 for $45
So I cancelled DSL and when they asked I told them why. They had no argument...
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| Re: Cable is my choice Monthly Price on phone service continued there a one time phone service fee that, that Verizon that DLS 1.5/125 that BS
the cost of DSL 34.95+phone service continued $26.21 total $61.16 m cable $44,85 total $44,85 that for 3m/384
CABLE 3m/384  $44,85 Vs DLS 1.5/125 price $61.16
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@verizon.net | Re: Cable is my choice My Cable bill with 3m/384 and the package was constantly $100+ a month. Scr_w Cable it is Outrageous. DSL and Direct is the way. | |
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kiddigital
join:2000-06-16
Deltona, FL
·EarthLink
| Re: Cable is my choice said by Get Real:
My Cable bill with 3m/384 and the package was constantly $100+ a month. Scr_w Cable it is Outrageous. DSL and Direct is the way.
You don't have to have cable TV to have cable modem. Unless of course your local cable provider is ripping you off. | |
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | I'm liking my DSL more and more after reading these posts. I get 3m/768K for $34.95 a month. No caps, no BS.
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA
| Re: Cable is my choice said by wentlanc :
I'm liking my DSL more and more after reading these posts. I get 3m/768K for $34.95 a month. No caps, no BS.
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Got Oracle
join:2002-11-21
Lake Villa, IL | Dsl Rocks With all the junk Cable is doing It was bound to happen.
I'm a very happy Sbc Dsl Customer and hoping to remain the same. | |
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JE
Can I Taste It? Mmmm
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Brooklyn, NY
1 edit | SAME ol Chit! Nothing s gonna come out of this except, the arguments of " My Cable is better than your DSL" BLA BLA BLA...........
Been going on since I first came to this site.
We all know what the obvious is, so why even continue to ask the loaded DSL or Cable ?,?
Why not compare the DSL industry VS Verizon and their high price for LOW speed offerings, there's a valid argument.
As it stands right now, CABLE is the front runner. Look at the speeds »/archive
You don't see any MAINSTREAM DSL provider in the top 5, and you will never see it this year or 5 years from now.
I'm all for DSL, but I'm a CABLE guy now, and looking at my speed and the price I'm paying, I say, that NOT ONE US DSL or Cable Provider can match OOL ANYTIME soon.
SO, Instead of this, you should be lobbying your CABLE providers to match the OOL speed for the price you are paying.
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | so what? Anything with upload 128, i dont want. Plus cable is available everywhere in my town, not distance related.
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join:2002-11-20
Marysville, CA | hhmmmm My b/f and I live 1/2 mile out of rage for DSL  We are happy with Comcast for now  | |
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join:2004-02-04
Salinas, CA | Re: hhmmmm Cable, DSL...once powerline-based internet is possible they'll both die out faster than a 90 year old man being straddled by Anna Nicole. | |
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chibianh
join:2002-04-14
Denver, CO
·Comcast
| better value? according to BBR, i'm 17.7k ft from the CO, but i get a good strong steady 1.5/896 DSL... for only $31/mo :P
I also have Comcast HSI at 1.5/256 (haven't seen the 3mb upgrade yet) for $45/mo. Now you tell me, which is the better deal? I will decide that for myself in the next few weeks and dump one of them. | |
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join:2003-02-27
Oakland, CA
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| Re: DSL vs Cable I'm sticking with DSL for as long as possible. I don't have to deal with caps »www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=m.., I can set up a network if I wanted to, and I don't have to worry about cable increases.
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
| They took over in my house After the 3rd price increase in a year, Comcast is gone replaced with the 50% cheaper, and uncapped VoL.
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stateq2
J Dilla
Premium
join:2003-03-27
Jackson, MS
| Cable > DSL well, from personal experience, I'm enjoying cable more than DSL. My first DSL ISP, provided 1500/128 (i got 1200/130) for $69/month.....and they limited downloads to 4 gigabytes/month, and stated that total weekly upload can NEVER be more than the downloads. Obviously, I had to cut them off.
My next option was a DSL provider who offered 768/128 w/ no download/upload limits for $65/month. All was going good for about a month.....then my download was cut in HALF! I was constantly getting 320/128 speed. I called the people, and they told me that was their way of controlling bandwidth. Bye, bye DSL.
Currently, I'm using mediacom cable internet....and I couldn't be happier. $55/month(internet alone) for a 3000/256 line I had a few speed problems at the start, but everything seems to be resolved now. Even at peak times, I'm getting better speed than my old DSL was getting at 2 am.
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join:2002-11-08
Kingston, ON | psht i like my 10mbit cable | |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL
| Re: psht I like your 10mbit cable too, can I borrow it?
I'm satisfied with my 1.5/256 dsl for the moment, though if Bellsouth decides to do what SBC is doing, I'll rape, pillage and murder for that connection. | |
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join:2000-11-30
Union City, MI | Re: psht Got the 768/128 DSL from SBC/Yahoo back in 7/03. Speed is now almost double both directions and has not missed a beat. No increase in price. | |
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tadmaz
join:2002-05-30
Mount Prospect, IL | DSL takeover I will only switch to DSL when my CO moves close to me or an RT is built. It has to be available before I can switch...come on sbc... | |
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one_bored_si
join:2003-03-10
Montebello, CA | Insert Charter Comm. Complaints here... Let everyone know how much Charter sucks, whether its the crappy upload speeds or just how they like to drag their feet while the whole world moves on into the 6mb+ realm. | |
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Brisk
Qwest's Spirit Of Service Inaction
join:2003-07-11
Colorado Springs, CO
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·Qwest.net
| Can't touch this When it comes to upload, Cable can't.™
Most of your RBOCs (slang: telcos) have greater uploads than cable (384kbps+) and Qwest has pulled a superbowl-style comeback at 892kbps up with their standard package plus the first ever POTS-free DSL.
But upload isn't really an issue to John Q. Broadband, and POTS-free DSL will be the key to defeating the cable monster.
Only three months until I can switch to Qwest DSL and dump my phone line.:) | |
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join:2004-02-03
Demotte, IN | Re: Can't touch this qwest will be gone in a few years, they already have a few major fcc investigations dealing with illegal business operations going on right now. | |
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join:2000-11-21
Peoria, IL | Qwest is offering POTS-free DSL? Where? Where are some details on this offering? I'd be interested in finding out more. | |
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| Verizon Hawaii is being sold so there goes DSL Verizon Hawaii is up for sale. Speculation is that whoever buys it won't do anything to improve the DSL situation here and the current offerings may get worse or become non existent. Businesses here who rely on DSL are worried. Verizon is selling the Hawaii lines because they say there is no growth potential. Of course there is but they don't want to invest in it and not likely the buyer will care either.
I can't get Verizon DSL and I live in the second largest city in Hawaii. I'm 24,000 feet from the CO. So, here in Hawaii, it is Oceanic Time Warner Cable if you want broadband and it looks like Oceanic is going to have little or no competition once Verizon is sold. I foresee higher prices for Road Runner and that is assuming you can get it. The majority on this island are condemned to dial up for the indefinite future.
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join:2002-11-09
So Cal | Re: Verizon Hawaii is being sold so there goes DSL Thats okay....dial-up is good enough for that little island out in the pacific.
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
Premium
join:2002-12-03
United State
·CenturyLink
| Cable > WISP > DSL I've had it all. I thought Cox Cable was pathetic until I tried the local WISP which turned out to be a third party turn key outfit out of Georgia. I paid for terrible, absolutely horrible, and then no service for nine months before I ordered SBC-Yahoo DSL. SBC does a fantastic job. On the other hand Yahoo is a befitting word for a bloated Hydra that hijacks the desktop, corrupts programs it shouldn't touch, fouls the registry and does not allow removal.
I learned these wonderful secrets when I installed it on a test machine and then tried to uninstall it. I am certainly not concerned about the test machine. It's turned off and Yahoo is no where near the active systems. I like DSL very much, however, when the price reaches $40 a month I'll go back to dialup.
As for Cox cable, it is a farce. The prices for basic cable here have increased more than 50% in four years; the basic programming is mostly free or in-the-wild feeds; they misinform customers about certain analog programs. I think it's very strange that I can see every scrambled HBO picture on my analog TV when it is "only available as a digital subscription." Here's a news flash. Check with any big dish digital provider anywhere in the US and you too will learn that HBO, MAX and SHOW TIME ARE available as a analog feed at a cost of about $7 a month.
Cox recently took a swipe at Dish-TV with their smarmy martial arts ad. I never lost a signal when the dog sneezed, and I didn't have to adjust the dish every day. What Cox doesn't tell you is that a satellite signal delivered directly to the home is far superior to cable. It always was and it always will be. Cox also doesn't tell you that the digital cable you are paying $100 a month for comes directly from the same signal that Dish TV users receive, or that the current TV ad is their attempt to kill SBC by giving away a broadband connection. Before you sign the dotted line be sure you know what it costs to buy the modem ($100), who long he special runs, and how much the account will cost when the special ends ($50- $100 depending upon where you live).
Someone needs to start a "Make Cable Play Fair" website to explain to the rest of the world what Cox Cable and their competition is doing to the rest of the us -- while *we the people* foot the bill.
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join:2004-02-04
Salinas, CA | Re: Cable > WISP > DSL Why would you install anything from SBCYahoo? You don't need any of it to get online so I say no thanks and chuck the CD out the window. | |
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join:2003-06-08 | Re: Cable > WISP > DSL yum yum eat it up .......... | |
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Caveat Emptor
Premium
join:2002-12-03
United State
·CenturyLink
| Why would I do that??? I deliberately installed it on my TEST machine for a client. . After experiencing the net results I advised my client against installing it. Personally, I don't want it; I don't need it and I will certainly not recommend it to anyone that I know. It is worse than SBC software, if that is possible.
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join:2003-03-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | DSL sucks, Cable rules!! i am so freaking happy with my Cable service from Time Warner Cable.
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join:2004-01-23
West Bend, WI
| Well lets see here. I have seen a lot of cable sucks, or dsl sucks, I personally have both services in my home. I have 2 cable lines from charter and one dsl line from covad. Side by side my DSL from covad kicks the cables ass. Im at just over 10,000 feet from the CO and have a 3.0/768 package. My charter lines are the biggest home package's they offer 2048/256, in my area. Heres the pros and cons.
CHARTER CABLE
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Pros:
1. Always on. (I have never had a service outage)
2. Fast downloads (I have never had net slowdown at peak hours)
3. Great service techs/support.
4. Easy install
Cons:
1. No server hosting
2. Download caps (30 gigs down 15 gigs up)
3. Ip changes whenever I reboot and they dont offer a static IP package for residential accounts. Even if they did see no. 1.
4. Rediculously slow upload. 256k??? Come on now I know it can go faster, I had a buisness line from them last year that had a 1mb upload. Why not offer some higher upload packages.
5. Heavy downloading means account termination with no warning. Been there done that. Got the T-shirt.
6. Very high latency issues. My 1st hop is over 100ms.
In conclusion cable is great for someone who likes to surf the web and may want some speed for downloading game demos or streaming media. Gaming absolutley blows (see no.6) If your a power user cable is not the way to go. If your an average web surfer dont waste your money on a 2mb/256 package. Get the lower package.
Covad DSL
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Pros:
1. Can host servers
2. No data caps
3. Numerous tiers and packages.
4. Great for gaming, latency is not an issue, 1st hop is 16ms.
5. Always on (I have never had a non scheduled outage)
6. Many static IP options
7. Most people can upgrade if they need more.
Cons:
1. Initial install can be a pain when you use a DSL provider thats not your POTS provider.
2. Installation can be difficult if you have wiring problems.
3. A lot of things affect DSL more then cable. (cellphones,microwaves,tv's, ect.........)
4. Most phone systems are old and outdated.
5. Distance issues.
In conclusion of my DSL thoughts, while I have yet to have a bad experience with my service, I have read about many who do. This is the same with cable as well though. Each has its benefits and downfalls. Choosing the service thats right for you is up to you. I have both for several reasons. My dsl is great for gaming and hosting my servers. My cable is nice for just downloading and surfing. So its not as simple as "CABLE SUCKS & DSL RULES!!!", its different for everyone.
It is however very apparent that DSL is pushing its way into the cable market share. Since covad started offering service out of my CO a lot of people are switching to dsl. And with sbc's new price reductions the cable company here has been hit hard. I have a few friends who work at charter and they have seen a 30% drop of cable HSI since sbc did the new pricing. Thats a big chunk of customers. But anyway choose your poison. | |
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| wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | All I can tell you is that I get 3megs down / 768K up for $35 a month.
I'll live with my DSL.
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| | DONKEYKONG01
join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA
| Re: DSL sucks, Cable rules!! said by wentlanc :
All I can tell you is that I get 3megs down / 768K up for $35 a month.
I'll live with my DSL.
puritan
Only 35 huh? lets see if sbc can beat this! | |
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JackMeoffMeow
@attbi.com
| Most people still can't get DSL Verizon's bragging about 80% coverage but the real coverage is closer to 30%. Cable has nothing to worry about at this time. Maybe in 2020 when FTTP takes hold things may change. It looks like Brian Roberts of Comcast is winning the current Jack-Off wars with DSL. | |
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sraz
join:2003-06-07
Tucson, AZ
| Re: Most people still can't get DSL True, Qwest by the end of the year expects 60% of its lines to be cabable of 256/256. Right now its like 35%, even less can get the 1.5mbps tier.
Note: The Bells will roll out thousands of Remote Terminals this year. They have a fiber link back to the CO.
»Qwest Remote Terminal Pics | |
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stateq2
J Dilla
Premium
join:2003-03-27
Jackson, MS
| said by JackMeoffMeow:
Verizon's bragging about 80% coverage but the real coverage is closer to 30%. Cable has nothing to worry about at this time. Maybe in 2020 when FTTP takes hold things may change. It looks like Brian Roberts of Comcast is winning the current Jack-Off wars with DSL.
damn right. I tried to get verizon dsl first, but since they said it was unavailable, i went w/ mediacom cable......i wonder how many potential customers verizon has lost.
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| | Zerp
join:2004-02-05
Tinley Park, IL | DSL for me! DSL is my choice.
I'm on SBC's new 6000/608Kbps plan...
I'm 9441 feet from the CO, and get 5095/527Kbps for $44.99. | |
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