  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | Brilliant! That article made my day. | |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | But damn, that Latency would be a B*ITCH :D Hmmm....
OMG This Lag is terrible!  | |
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 |  BrazbitPremium
join:2003-10-22
Port Orchard, WA | Re: But damn, that Latency would be a B*ITCH :D Click, Wait, Woosh - Not just for satellite ISPs anymore. | |
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|  milnoc
join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1 | It's not as bad as you think. A single packet can be 4 GB in size according to the proposed model. So you only need to send a single packet (pigeon) to your destination.
Of course, there's no guarantee the packet won't become someone's lunch.  | |
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 Al3sinthTrippin'Premium
join:2003-07-08
Charleston, WV | Try Games :P Man... Imagine playing some FPS using this. | |
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|  DataDocMy avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC
 ·Suddenlink
| Re: Try Games :P said by Al3sinth:Man... Imagine playing some FPS using this. Back in the day, I used to play boardgames (Stalingrad, Afrika Korps, etc.) by mail. Took way less time than actually fighting the battles.
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 R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | LMAO!! This is too funny! Specially enjoyed the RFC reference! | |
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| decxPremium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC
1 edit | Re: LMAO!! Does that mean Teksavvy would implement an IPoAC based solution if Bell does implement UBB billing? | |
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| | R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Re: LMAO!! LOL | |
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| | | milnoc
join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1 | Re: LMAO!! Who's going to clean up all the packet "droppings?" | |
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| | | | R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Re: LMAO!! Hopefully the network isn't daisy chained like the old coax stuff cuz, if so, someone's going to get crapped on for sure! | |
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|  RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | said by R0CKY:This is too funny! Specially enjoyed the RFC reference! Of course the referenced RFC was an enhancement added QoS considerations to the original RFC1149. Check out that original RFC. Also, there was an actual implementation of the RFC done in 2001 (see »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFC_1149#R···entation) to get some speed metrics. | |
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| | R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Re: LMAO!! Hehe.... | |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | What about high density cards? With 8,16,32GB cards getting well into the affordable range(8GB cards starting below $13) you could run a similiar test with DSL on a 4GB ISO here in the US and the pigeon would at the very least be competitive. | |
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|  thenderScreen tycoonPremium
join:2009-01-01
Brooklyn, NY
kudos:1 | Re: What about high density cards? Cable, while lacking the long term potential of fiber, at the very least can compete for the time being.
Resdiential ADSL typically goes up to 88 KBps upstream then stops.. That's if you're even getting that much. That's over an hour for a 350 MB file.
As time goes on and we expect to do more serious things with the internet, 88 KBps is a joke.
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Macbook repair in NYC | |
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| | "Channel-bonding"? Do they offer carrier-bonding? 10 birds per trip - 10x speed? (Just keep them away from the statues.) | |
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| | | Re: "Channel-bonding"? said by mod_wastrel:Do they offer carrier-bonding? 10 birds per trip - 10x speed? (Just keep them away from the statues.) Use something like RAID5. 9 birds with data, 1 bird with parity. Can loose 1 bird without data loss. | |
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| | | | Re: "Channel-bonding"? Was thinking the same thing | |
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| | |  DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: "Channel-bonding"? you might want raid 6 on that setup or even raid 50 | |
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| | | | I suddenly have an image of that CG movie Valiant in my head. | |
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| | | | said by AstroBoy:Use something like RAID5. 9 birds with data, 1 bird with parity. Can loose 1 bird without data loss. Actually, the best implementation (if you are not too concerned about incuring maybe 20 minutes extra latency) would be to use FEC so you could send a stream of pigeon and still be able to reconstruct the stream as long as at least four out of any five consecutive pigeons (4:5 coding) make it through. Once your avian pipeline is full, you can have more steady throughput with fewer pigeons. If you launch one pigeon every 5 minutes, your latency is increased by 20 minutes compared to sending all your RAID5-coded pigeons out at the same time.
For better reliability, you can use 4:7 coding at the cost of 10 more minutes in latency (30m total) so you can now afford to lose almost half (3 out of every 7) of your pigeons. | |
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| | turn based could play turn based games like civilization and chess this way hehe sent "packets" of data back and forth showing the moves | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| Sneakernet strikes back Seriously, there are some instances in which the US postal system is both faster and cheaper than delivering data over wireless (or even wires). Which is patently ridiculous.
As the poster above said, 32GB MicroSDXC cards could mean that IP over Avian Carrier could be significantly higher-throughput than the other options, though latency is a killer. | |
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| bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | Re: Sneakernet strikes back I can move 250GB compressed data tape (400GB actual) across the cost in 3 days with Fedex. I'd need a very fat pipe to compete with that.... | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Sneakernet strikes back Meh, you can pretty easily do that with a 10 Mbps upload conection.
Problem is, that's one expensive onnection in most places. | |
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| | | bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | Re: Sneakernet strikes back Yes, you can, in theory. But you need 10Mbit at each end. Cable and DSL isn't up to snuff, and while FiOS would be up to it a 250GB tarball transferring flawlessly is asking a lot for reality
I have 2 T1s to each site. Add in normal traffic and VPN overhead and I think you can see my point
I laugh when people try to back up 1TB NAS boxes to Mozy on there 768Kb home DSL lines | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| Re: Sneakernet strikes back Heh, I upgraded my 'net connection to 50/10 and pushed 200+ GB to the cloud in four or five days, not working overnight.
Though DOCSIS 1.1 and anything but super-low-distance VDSL2 ain't gonna give you those speeds.
I like my 5 Mbps up connection, though I'd much rather have 10 Mbps symmetric than 22/5. | |
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| | |  xyarPremium
join:2001-06-21
Portland, OR | Shouldn't be expensive. Our 10 mbps up/down Internet connection (over an OC12 SONET ring) is quite reasonable. We also have a 100 mbit WAN and two T1s going over that fiber (T1s for the phone system).
Guess it just depends on where you are.
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 ctceoPremium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN | Cost? Now I just need to find a carrier pigeon service in my neighborhood. See if there's any money to be had. | |
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 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | Windows Crashes Network Traffic We tried this in a clean Windows environment and experienced numerous, fatal crashes. | |
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| milnoc
join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1 | Re: Windows Crashes Network Traffic LOL! (and yuck!) | |
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| JBear
join:2005-02-24
canada | Haha now that was awesome! | |
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| xyarPremium
join:2001-06-21
Portland, OR | That's the funnies thing I've read all week!
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| | collisions! I heard of packet collisions, but watch out for those plains! | |
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| | 9 Track Way back in my datacenter operator days, we used to have a say "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a box of tapes in the back of a station wagon."
Still applies today... | |
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|  sivranBack to Opera againPremium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
kudos:1
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: 9 Track Even moreso, now that we've updated "tapes" to "hard drives" and "station wagon" to "SUV."
Latency is pretty killer though. Ain't gonna play no deathmatches on IP-over-roadway, no sir.
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| | | | Re: 9 Track said by sivran:Even moreso, now that we've updated "tapes" to "hard drives" and "station wagon" to "SUV." Latency is pretty killer though. Ain't gonna play no deathmatches on IP-over-roadway, no sir. Let's see... 1TB HDD's... say, about, 50 of 'em. Say, about a 5 hour trip... 2,777,777.7~ KB/s or 2.7GB/s
Even just 1 over a 20 hour trip is respectable... 13888.8~ KB/s or ~ 14MB/s. | |
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| | Someone test AT&T. Someone go test this with AT&T, the iphone and a carrier pidgin.
I have a feeling it's going to be a close race. | |
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| DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: Someone test AT&T. I think the pidgin would beat AT&T
just put a 64GB flash drive on it and send it
then just try to download 64GB on the iPhone (yes I know the iPhone is only up to 32GB thus the win to the pidgin) | |
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| | Tasty packets Not only will you save a bundle switching from DSL, but you can use the packets to make a casserole in red wine sauce. | |
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| DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: Tasty packets but TCP/IP needs return packets
although not as much data needs to be sent for the data request
and are the arp and syn packets color coded?
how about an IPoAC DDOS lol | |
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| | | | Re: Tasty packets said by DarkLogix:how about an IPoAC DDOS lol It's called a 'cat'. | |
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| | | DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: Tasty packets how about a syn flood?
Broadcast domains?
near end cross talk | |
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| | | |  EdG
@blutmagie.de | Re: Tasty packets syn flood?
Ever see Hitchcock's "The Birds" | |
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| | | | IPoAC DDOS = FWSA hacks (farmers with shotguns attacks) | |
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 bbeesleyVIP
join:2003-08-07
Richardson, TX
kudos:4 | RFC1149 IP over avian carriers is actually RFC1149....RFC2549 is adds class of service but then that distinction is one that only a true geek would point out
<grin>
These are but one of many April Fools day RFCs that have been published over the years
my personal favorite is the Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol | |
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| DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: RFC1149 This memo amends RFC 1149, "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers", with Quality of Service information.
thus 2549 supersedes 1149 | |
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| | bbeesleyVIP
join:2003-08-07
Richardson, TX
kudos:4 | Re: RFC1149 didn't realize amend equaled supersedes  | |
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Re: Snails are faster than ADSL. ROFL
"Yet the Wi-Fly TCP (Transmission by Pigeons) protocol of wireless internet has had its limitations. First, pigeons cannot fly through Windows. Second, since they don't fly in darkness either, this method's bandwidth drops to zero 50% of the time. Finally, there's the problem of droppings"
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1 edit | Re: Snails are faster than ADSL. said by KrK:...... this method's bandwidth drops to zero 50% of the time. Finally, there's the problem of droppings" Not much different than a xDSL or cable operator injecting reset packets or throttling 10 hours per day....like some do/did. | |
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 SYNACKJust Firewall ItPremium,Mod
join:2001-03-05
Venice, CA
Networking
Virtual Private Ne..
Netgear
ZyXEL
1 edit | First implemetation in Norway in 2001A group in Norway has implemented and tested RFC 1149 back in 2001. :)
Script started on Sat Apr 28 11:24:09 2001
vegard@gyversalen:~$ /sbin/ifconfig tun0
tun0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
inet addr:10.0.3.2 P-t-P:10.0.3.1 Mask:255.255.255.255
UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:150 Metric:1
RX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0
RX bytes:88 (88.0 b) TX bytes:168 (168.0 b)
vegard@gyversalen:~$ ping -i 900 10.0.3.1
PING 10.0.3.1 (10.0.3.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=6165731.1 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3211900.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=5124922.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms
--- 10.0.3.1 ping statistics ---
9 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 55% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 3211900.8/5222806.6/6388671.9 ms
vegard@gyversalen:~$ exit
Script done on Sat Apr 28 14:14:28 2001
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Reviews:
·Comcast
1 edit | Thats Not a Monopoly but a National Broadband Plan. Excuse me, but is this what you all at Broadband Reports have been yammering for for years: A National Broadband plan. Drive out the greedy telecoms free broadband NOW!
Of course, you all are hoping for a free 100Mb connection, but that not how government entitlements work. | |
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 whizkid3Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
kudos:8 | ZAR Not sure if they are spending 45k ZAR per month or 450 ZAR per month. (7.5 ZAR = 1 USD, but with purchasing power what it is in ZA, 1 ZAR can buy locally what 1 USD can buy in the USA. So, in terms of broadband purchase 1 ZAR is about 1 USD.)
Why anyone would spend 45k ZAR, or even 450 ZAR, per month for a DSL connection is beyond me. Frame relay, X.25, and quite a few other broadband services are available in this highly developed country, and likely a for a lot less money (than 45k ZAR).
There are definitely other alternatives then Telkom DSL. | |
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| | South African Telecoms To ZAR
I am from south africa and i can tell you that we have the most expensive internet in the world also the worst service from out Monopoly telecoms provider Telkom.
We have many ISP's but they are all at the mercy of Telkom, Even though their monopoly has officialy ended, the "second national operator" Neotel is still digging holes all over the country, so for now all we can do is wait and get this S**ty service. BTW one loaf of bread is about 8 ZAR.
That line they are using is what you guys know as a SDSL and its a 1mb line (total crap but the best they gonna get for that 45k) | |
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