 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| These days .... If a bill has "Protecting" "Children" "Pornography" or "Terrorism" in the title that means we should RUN not walk away from it as fast as possible.
It's actually designed to do none of that, just get passed chock full of new draconian monitoring or recording on regular American citizens.... and that is a fact. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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 |  | | Re: These days .... just another step towards a real police state. fuck off us government.i hate your guts. | |
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 |  | | I agree with you 100% couldn't have said it any better, just wish that this "ALL ABOUT ME" generation would wake up before it's to late, but I guess as long as they have their i pads, and smartphones, and Xbox's they are pacified. Just how the Government, and the Obama Administration likes it. | |
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 Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | Forcing ISPs to retain something most do anyway
The only thing this law does that ISPs aren't already doing is set how long to retain user logs. The only thing I'd change would be to not exempt wireless carriers. Make all ISPs keep logs for 18 months. -- Record your speedtest.net results in DSLReports SpeedWave »www.speedtest.net/wave/afe201cb84d45c88 | |
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 |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Re: Forcing ISPs to retain something most do anyway This law does more then that and will cost way more then that. I find it interesting that it's all about "Accepting money to facilitate access to child pornography". The record retention thing is merely a byline.... however I feel it's the REAL purpose behind the bill.
Once this database is up, then it can easily be expanded to all sorts of other "investigations" or fishing trips.
Only a matter of time. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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 |  |  | | Re: Forcing ISPs to retain something most do anyway The next step is of course to outlaw or more likely license encryption (see another post about being forced to provide decryption passwords for your encrypted drive). Since VPNs depend on encryption, so much for that remedy. We have altogether lost the healthy suspicion of law "enforcement" that inspired the founders of the USA to embed strong protections in the Constitution. Americans would be astounded to know about the amount of surveillance technology they've paid "our" government to buy and deploy against us, or more specifically those targeted by the wealthy and powerful. | |
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 | | time to move It's time to move to the Middle East where they are enjoying actual freedom after 30-40 years of western oppression. The corruption that g.w. Bush instilled on the western world will make us all even more a slave population that will be monitored and detained and maybe disappear in the dark of the night.
martial law is fun. also called patriot act, protect america act, protect canada act, protect the copyright mafiaa act, forget the constitution ever existed act. | |
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 |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | Re: time to move said by notagainplz :It's time to move to the Middle East where they are enjoying actual freedom after 30-40 years of western oppression. Middle East and actual freedom is still a joke. If you think otherwise you are sadly deluded. -- Record your speedtest.net results in DSLReports SpeedWave »www.speedtest.net/wave/afe201cb84d45c88 | |
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 |  |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 | Re: time to move at least they know when they are getting f***ed. Here in the US we delude ourselves into think we are never getting f***ed. | |
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 |  Kamus join:2011-01-27 El Paso, TX | said by notagainplz :It's time to move to the Middle East where they are enjoying actual freedom after 30-40 years of western oppression. The corruption that g.w. Bush instilled on the western world will make us all even more a slave population that will be monitored and detained and maybe disappear in the dark of the night.
martial law is fun. also called patriot act, protect america act, protect canada act, protect the copyright mafiaa act, forget the constitution ever existed act. What? sure we got some really nasty things that need addressing here in the west, but you're not serious... are you?
Also, i hope you're not a woman and saying this, this is seriously the most retarded thing I've read all month. | |
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·Hargray Cable
| Wireless industry Money talks BS walks, nice score on the exemption. The big problem for carriers is all the requests and extra crap that will be requested from them. Think a whole department of poeple working 24X7 doing what ever gov. tells them to. That's really what this is all about. | |
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 innoman-Premium join:2002-05-07 Dallas, TX kudos:1 | right... I want accurate data on how frequently this type of info has been used in cases of Child Pornography, etc... | |
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 | | No, ISPs do not all keep such logs. In fact, my ISP cannot keep such logs, because most of our users do not have public, static IPs. Due to the impending exhaustion of IPv4 addresses, most use network address translation and share a handful of addresses. | |
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 |  tshirtPremium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: No, ISPs do not all keep such logs. then you can log which IP was feeding which internal address at what time, no different than what the big boys do. It is possible, but perhaps an excessively large task for the small ISP. I'm not sure why the extended time frame is needed. certainly ISP's should keep such records for a limited time, and if the gov't hasn't found reasonable cause to subpoena in say a year they should be considered out of date/out of luck. and yes I would consider the ISP responsible for the record safekeeping, that they should not be used or released for any other purpose then a valid individual court order (no mass harvesting). | |
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 |  |  1 edit | Re: No, ISPs do not all keep such logs. You obviously do not understand how network address translation works. All the customers appear to have the same address, and the router makes tens of thousands of mappings between ports every SECOND (infeasible to log). | |
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When we do it, it is to prevent "child pornography", when other countries do it it is an infringement of civil rights. bah. | |
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 | | Jurisdiction Isn't that the FBI's job? What are all these sheriffs doing drooling over kiddies and operating treasure hunts for pedos' stashes? | |
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·buckeye cable
| Not Enforceable, Not Practical, Not Going To Happen You can't economically log, categorize and securely store for 18 months that amount of data. It would be too costly, too much of a burden on the smaller regional ISP's and their resellers. They will not be coerced into retaining user logs any longer than what's necessary for them to manage their network. And besides, this is the government we're talking about. The effort to fight child pornography is a red herring. They don't give a damn about 'the children'. It's about corporate espionage and domestic surveillance of dissenting individuals. The sheriffs that are sponsoring the bill have all the tools they need to do their jobs effectively. They don't need any more toys. They outta get off their asses and stop complaining about the inconveniences associated with law enforcement. | |
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 |  | | Re: Not Enforceable, Not Practical, Not Going To Happen All costs associated with extra storage for logs will come in the form of price increases. Everyone will do it at nearly the same time and add a line on the bill "government mandate charge". The cell companies have this down to a fine art. Where's the T party stand on privacy, I wonder. | |
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 | good grief we are going to protect ourselves into oblivion eventually. protections of these kind are absolutely unnecessary. | |
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 |  | | Re: good grief The land of the free and the home of the brave? Fooled me ... | |
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 ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | I know why.
Their central database is either too overloaded with recording internet traffic as it stands or they simply want to offload some of the logging to ISP's which will soon be run by the Ministry of Communications in a decade or so. | |
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