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| Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal said by Nightfall  :For people who have to work via a VPN or something from the plane, its great. For me its a little too pricey. I will settle for watching a movie on my laptop. Much cheaper that way. It is pricey, but I will be all over this regardless. I HATE flying because of the cramped, boring quarters. This will at least make it livable. | |
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| Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal said by MattE :said by Nightfall :For people who have to work via a VPN or something from the plane, its great. For me its a little too pricey. I will settle for watching a movie on my laptop. Much cheaper that way. It is pricey, but I will be all over this regardless. I HATE flying because of the cramped, boring quarters. This will at least make it livable. Agreed. I despise flying and anything that can make it a little more bearable will help.
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| Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal said by Nightfall :I guess I am just saying that there are plenty of things to do if you have a laptop already. I usually fire up a movie and watch it during the flight. Then I could use my Ipod, Nintendo DS, and PSP. I guess more people would purchase this than I thought. I guess to me, its a little pricey. Especially with all the things I have with me already that have entertainment value.  If I owned a DS or PSP that would make the situation different for all but the longer flights. | |
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| Not everything done is about the in-frequent pleasure traveler. It's clearly priced for the business traveler.. at least at this time.
I know some people here believe that when you're in the plane you should sit there comatose, but, there are some people that NEED to stay connected while in flight and this $12.95 fee can make the difference of landing a million dollar contract or not.
Also, considering the amount of grumbling about how if someone purchases an internet connection that it's theirs to do as they see fit, I'm sure they are purposely pricing this out of reach for a good amount of people - to which I applaud.
When the technology matures, I'm sure there will be some adjustments to the prices, and I'm sure that frequent fliers will get a better price, as well. | |
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| Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal said by fiberguy :Not everything done is about the in-frequent pleasure traveler. It's clearly priced for the business traveler.. at least at this time. I know some people here believe that when you're in the plane you should sit there comatose, but, there are some people that NEED to stay connected while in flight and this $12.95 fee can make the difference of landing a million dollar contract or not. Also, considering the amount of grumbling about how if someone purchases an internet connection that it's theirs to do as they see fit, I'm sure they are purposely pricing this out of reach for a good amount of people - to which I applaud. When the technology matures, I'm sure there will be some adjustments to the prices, and I'm sure that frequent fliers will get a better price, as well. OMG, OMG, OMG! It will be used for Bittorrent and pirating movies! Shut it down! | |
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal LOL. - no.. but still.. if someone can't stay off BT for a few hours, then they really do have a problem.. maybe do the BT BEFORE you leave home and have it with you ahead of time. | |
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Springfield, MO | i dont know if i was flying cost to cost nonstop 13 bucks isnt that bad really for some thing to do
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Verona, PA | Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal Yeah, if you're spending $200-300 to fly 13 bucks to not be bored isn't really that bad, much less than what I would have guessed they would have priced it. | |
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops said by itnoles :I don't know I can trust them to handling my laptop. I have seen a story about US airports lose laptops daily. In the other hands, this seems a good idea. Err... What? Who's handling your laptop other than you? Your laptop is a carry-on item.
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops said by tiger72 :this is mostly an issue of checked baggage. You know, when the geniuses at TSA "randomly" choose to "search" bags with laptops in them and then "lose" them. Who checks their laptop when flying?? I keep mine in my backpack, which comes on the flight with me. Why would you ever put something (relatively) delicate into the checked baggage hell? I feel that anyone who has ever once seen how the baggage "handlers" throw bags around would know better than to check anything breakable.
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops said by wifi4milez :said by tiger72 :this is mostly an issue of checked baggage. You know, when the geniuses at TSA "randomly" choose to "search" bags with laptops in them and then "lose" them. Who checks their laptop when flying?? I keep mine in my backpack, which comes on the flight with me. Why would you ever put something (relatively) delicate into the checked baggage hell? I feel that anyone who has ever once seen how the baggage "handlers" throw bags around would know better than to check anything breakable. People going on long trips who don't want to do anything on the flight, but need computer access while abroad.
Hey, i'm not saying it makes any sense, I just know some people do it.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Airport handling of laptops Um... no. I think I can say with out a doubt that no one checks their laptops under the plane when they travel. | |
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops said by fiberguy :Um... no. I think I can say with out a doubt that no one checks their laptops under the plane when they travel. you think you can say without a doubt, eh? | |
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops Yup! I sure can! If someone is doing it, they are idiots AND VERY VERY VERY few that I can actually say it's not done. But, if you want to find the one or two people that do it and say "you can't say no-one" then I'm not interested in an exchange with you.
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops said by fiberguy :Yup! I sure can! If someone is doing it, they are idiots AND VERY VERY VERY few that I can actually say it's not done. I said this very thing in the post you responded to earlier. It's definitely not wise, and it doesn't make sense, but some people do it.
But, if you want to find the one or two people that do it and say "you can't say no-one" then I'm not interested in an exchange with you. You joined the pre-existing exchange, commenting on my personal experience as if you were a definitive authority on the entire subject in all its entirety; as if it were downright impossible for someone to check their laptop, and that my personal experience had simply no way to even happen in reality.
Then you later say that the very claim I made originally (to which you are responding) was something that you're not interested in talking about.
Orly?
Even the airlines tell you NOT to do it. And that means what? Stupid people do stupid things. You the type of guy that thinks "if only we put up one more warning sign, maybe people won't do it"? Some people are just stupid, no matter how much we try to prevent their stupidity.
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops I won't even address your overly analyzed reply.. 1) It makes no sense, and 2) you did exactly what I said you were doing.
Plain and simple... no.. people don't check their laptops. I'm glad you can point to one or two people that have.. but considering the millions/billions of flights, that certainly supports what I say.. no, people don't check 'em.
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| Re: Airport handling of laptops said by fiberguy :I won't even address your overly analyzed reply.. 1) It makes no sense, and 2) you did exactly what I said you were doing. Plain and simple... no.. people don't check their laptops. I'm glad you can point to one or two people that have.. but considering the millions/billions of flights, that certainly supports what I say.. no, people don't check 'em. Z then, if that's the case, reply to the OP's claim that "US airports lose laptops daily".
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| Exactly, how the heck is someone going to check something that #1 is expensive, #2 can easily be damaged, and last but not least #3 can easily be "misplaced" aka stolen.
I carry a 17" macbook pro maxed out out... Hell if I'm going to let it out of sight. I fly for free, so I do it a few times a month. | |
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But all it takes is a single person running bittorrent to fill the 3.1mbps that's dedicated to the entire plane. | |
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| Re: As long as file-sharing is restricted... I do not see that being too much of a problem. Really the majority of people flying that are going to pay for the WIFI are not going to be doing it for bittorrent. That is just my opinion, I may be wrong, but I see more as just a way for people to surf the net and something to do as they fly.
One problem may be movies. Downloading and/or watching movies at the same time to kill the horrible flying conditions we are forced into on US flights.
I think overall though these people are not dumb and would have filtered that out. I know, encryption... scream away about it, but it is not hard to pick that stuff out of the traffic.
Also, my guess on encryption, including VPNs, may be restricted. This would seem wise as a security issue. Terrorist communications would not be permitted so anything that cannot be unencrypted would/should be blocked. Also, I have no doubt that these go right through NSA points first so maybe they will allow it, people thing their bittorrent encryption is flawless but I have more faith in the NSA than that.
I would pay for it though. You pay $5 for a drink just to kill some of the hell of flying why not pay a little more for some internet access instead? | |
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| Re: As long as file-sharing is restricted... If someone wants to use bittorrent or file sharing while on board, I think they need to seek help as they have a real problem. It would give me no greater pleasure to know that BT has been blocked all together just for the mere fact that I'm sure they are the same group that wants "yapping cell phone users" banned. 
This is one internet connection that needs to remain mostly for web browsing, email, and chat... at least for now. | |
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| said by tiger72 :...this should work. But all it takes is a single person running bittorrent to fill the 3.1mbps that's dedicated to the entire plane. of course you know *anything fun* will be blocked.
including voip!
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| Re: As long as file-sharing is restricted... said by dvd536 :said by tiger72 :...this should work. But all it takes is a single person running bittorrent to fill the 3.1mbps that's dedicated to the entire plane. of course you know *anything fun* will be blocked. including voip! As long as I can get my porn while i'm on the plane, i won't care! Because when it comes down to it, the only reason I get annoyed with flying is that I don't have anything to masturbate to.
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| What Would *Really* Make It a Complete Service Is... A) If you could pre-purchase the wi-fi service as part of your ticket/itinerary. Would make things much easier for the business traveler when it came time to fill out expense reports
B) If, like AMTRAK trains, each seat was equipped with an electrical outlet so that you could plug in your laptop to keep it charged/charging for the entire time you were on-board.
I mean, WiFi plus A&B would probably be enough to make me try to fly Delta versus other carriers if there were equivalent routings for a given destination.
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| Re: What Would *Really* Make It a Complete Service Is... said by nixen :A) If you could pre-purchase the wi-fi service as part of your ticket/itinerary. Would make things much easier for the business traveler when it came time to fill out expense reports B) If, like AMTRAK trains, each seat was equipped with an electrical outlet so that you could plug in your laptop to keep it charged/charging for the entire time you were on-board. I mean, WiFi plus A&B would probably be enough to make me try to fly Delta versus other carriers if there were equivalent routings for a given destination. I thought I read somewhere that most of these planes would have an outlet when this was added? That was part of the expense bcause they had to account for the additional electrical load. I can't seem to dig it up now though so I could be completely off. | |
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| I remember a few years ago... (like 10) that AA used to have what looked like to me power to the seats. But then again, what do I know.
I think airlines intentionally are delaying "power to the seat" I'm guessing they don't want an idiot typing away for hours on one of those long-haul flights, while everyone around them is trying to sleep. | |
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| Re: What Would *Really* Make It a Complete Service Is... said by flyingjoey :I remember a few years ago... (like 10) that AA used to have what looked like to me power to the seats. But then again, what do I know. I think airlines intentionally are delaying "power to the seat" I'm guessing they don't want an idiot typing away for hours on one of those long-haul flights, while everyone around them is trying to sleep. Like you can hear anything past the grating yowl of the engines (if you're flying on an Airbus).
Besides, I dunno what kind of gorilla-typing you do, but with my laptop, you can't really hear normal typing. We're not talking 1980's vintage dumb-terminals with click/feedback keyboards.
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| Re: Power said by keyboard5684 :I think power would be an issue. It is a huge engineering problem although it sounds simple. What are you talking about? Power plugs have been on planes for years already. The Fokker 100 had them in every row.. Virgin America has power ports in every seat INCLUDING an "iPod" port on their Airbus fleet already.. We're past 1980 already. | |
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| Re: Power said by fiberguy :said by keyboard5684 :I think power would be an issue. It is a huge engineering problem although it sounds simple. What are you talking about? Power plugs have been on planes for years already. The Fokker 100 had them in every row.. Virgin America has power ports in every seat INCLUDING an "iPod" port on their Airbus fleet already.. We're past 1980 already. I rarely see them on any domestic flights. | |
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| Re: Power You are correct. My point is, however, was to the OP that stated all sorts of engineering, design or study, or what ever, was needed to bring electricity to the plane.. My point is that it's been around since the 80's that I can remember AND currently does exist already. The lack of them doesn't mean that they don't know how to do it. | |
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| Re: Power I am not saying they do not know how to do it, I am saying that engineering needs to be done for that particular aircraft for adjustments to provide power to that many seats. Plus, where the power comes from load calculations need to be done. You cannot just run a wire to the outlets and let er rip. The airplane needs to be adjusted for this which requires time and money.
Yes, it has been done but it is not on many of the coach seats I have seen. I see them in business and first class, but not coach. This tells me they did not plan on providing power to coach seats so they need to modify the plane to provide it. So money and time, thats all. And that may be why you may not see it on older planes for a long time.
It takes a ton of paperwork, red tape, reporting, and just crap to change the seat cushions. An aircraft is a touchy thing and every little detail needs to be looked at. If powering seats pulls too much power it could do a lot like overload the power systems, cause a fire, whatever... it is not like your home where you just hook up an outlet. On your couch you are not at 30,000 feet and the FAA is not regulating what you do.
That is all I am trying to say. Not that it cannot be done, just takes time. It is an airplane, the same things that get grounded when a latch on a tray table breaks (I have been on a plane where this has happened). | |
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| No Thanks I am sure there will be a handful of folks that will avoid Delta flights now. I can only imagine how many folks gonna get into arguments. Someone is gonna wanna launch Skype and it will annoy the person trying to take a power nap before that meeting. Can you imagine the sounds of keyboards in the plane and no way to escape it? Who will be the first person to access adult content while flying if Delta doesn't implement IDS. I can't wait to see the results. I for one will avoid Delta flights now. | |
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| Re: No Thanks said by esc0 :
I for one will avoid Delta flights now.
Good.
For the record.. people already use their laptops on flights.. it's nothing new. From the sound of your post, you're not a frequent flier anyway NOR do you have a concept of what this is about..
If you think laptops are the only things that use "the internet" then you need to read up on new technology. I'm just wondering if the keys on my iTouch would wake you up on your power nap? Besides, I find that statement to be such a self centered and selfish one at best. If someone wants to sleep on a plane, IF they can, more power to them. However, who is to say that someone's desire to nap trumps that of the person who wants to be on their laptop or any WiFi device? (So far, VoIP has been blocked on board - again, focus) I'll admit I fly 1st and not really ever in coach, but even when in coach, I'm flying for business and often at the last minute. I can use a similar "justification" argument and say that my top dollar ticket gives me the right to use MY seat as I please more so than the low cost traveler wanting to power nap.
If a handful of people want to avoid Delta, so be it! It won't hurt them.. besides, those that are so touchy and sensitive about what everyone is doing around them REALLY need to check into a program and get beyond their anger problems because there are some real issues to deal with. This "me" world is getting really old. | |
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: No Thanks Not really.. but, when you do an average of 7 round trips a month, let me know. | |
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Someone is gonna wanna launch Skype and it will annoy the person trying to take a power nap before that meeting.
I just watched the information videos on the gogo inflight site and in the "Inflight Etiquette" video, they say specifically that voice calls are prohibited. I wonder how they will enforce that?
The other thing that bothered me about the site is that it does not support Linux. "Platforms supported include: Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Apple, and Nokia (Symbian S60)." The instructions for logging in don't appear to be anything that would inhibit use from Linux, but absence from the list gives them a deserved raspberry.
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| power I'm not sure about Delta...but most of the flights I am on have airpower receptacles every row or two. Besides, most business grade notebooks give you at few hours of runtime (My Sony TX gets about 5 on average). Since they need to be powered down for takeoff and landing, I don't see any domestic flight that would drain a fully charged battery, unless, of course people are lugging around high powered notebooks. | |
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| Re: power said by beaups :I'm not sure about Delta...but most of the flights I am on have airpower receptacles every row or two. Besides, most business grade notebooks give you at few hours of runtime (My Sony TX gets about 5 on average). Since they need to be powered down for takeoff and landing, I don't see any domestic flight that would drain a fully charged battery, unless, of course people are lugging around high powered notebooks. I'm guessing you don't actually fly all that much then. If you did, you'd be *very* familiar with how frequently you get stuck at airports - whether by design or by accident (delayed flights; layovers; missed or delayed connecting flights; etc.) It's damned rare that there are places for you to charge your laptop while in an airport. And, even if you happen to be in an airport that might have power receptacles available to the public, they are rarely available in abundance (and, in some airports, you have to pay for the privilege of using them). So, even before you get on your flight (it *is* a direct flight, right), you've already burned who knows how much of your battery's limited runtime.
But, yeah, maybe if I'm flying EWR to LAX and there's NO delays (no delays at EWR???), a five-hour charge might be enough to last if the plane doesn't offer in-seat charging.
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| Re: Cheap said by proefain :$10 or $13 is cheap compared to the $50 Delta charges for a second checked bag. or $50 they charge for using airmiles.
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