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Tulsa, OK | Sounds like they are done Employees will know if the company is firing them or not! | |
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Glendale, AZ Reviews:
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| Re: Sounds like they are done Even if employees are let go does it really mean anything. In today's world there is no need for employees or very few. That is the way Wall Street thinks and investment groups.
Just increasing profits for the investors and better customer service if they are letting employees go. 
Or just offshore all the employees.
edit: In this case alternative to bankruptcy. Let employees go and bring back a subset. If the economy was better the subset wouldn't go back. | |
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| Re: Sounds like they are done said by nonymous:Even if employees are let go does it really mean anything. In today's world there is no need for employees or very few. That is the way Wall Street thinks and investment groups.
Just increasing profits for the investors and better customer service if they are letting employees go.
Or just offshore all the employees.
you cant offshore employees when the servers have to be a certian distance from you, which means they have to be close. I suspect its either false, or they were bought out and shut down due to pressure from the **AA's. if its the least bit disruptive to any market, the **AA's have something to say. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Sounds like they are done Umm...the MPAA/RIAA don't have anything to do with video games, except maybe the music in them (but that's a very minor thing).
My guess is that any hot water OnLive got into was due to licensing issues with Microsoft, not any of their other publishers.
As for servers being a certain distance from you, OnLive employees don't necessarily have to have access to the consumer side of the service. Sure, there need to be testers, but thats a subset of the functionality of the employee group, and you can have a test server on-site (offshore) anyway. | |
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Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | Re: Service was trash anyway I wouldn't say it was trash, and a lot of people did enjoy using it. I would just say that it was ahead of its time. The latency was actually tolerable for a lot of game types, and there were a few things they could have done in the future to work on reducing latency further. The major issue was the very poor video quality, but that too improves over time: h.265 would eventually drop the bandwidth requirements in half (enabling a big boost in quality), while ever-rising broadband speeds will continue to improve both the latency and quality.
I'd say they were five or so years too early. Their failure isn't an indication that cloud gaming isn't feasible, but more that the very large startup and operational costs of a cloud gaming provider were not yet sustainable in the present market. I think that their high costs forced them to rush their product to market long before it was ready, as they didn't achieve the level of image fidelity and low latency that was possible even with technology at the time of their launch; they focused more on the social aspects than the underlying technology, and suffered for it. Gaikai, recently bought by Sony, managed to do better latency and image quality, but had none of the social features.
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Washington, DC
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| Re: Service was trash anyway said by Guspaz:I'd say they were five or so years too early. Their failure isn't an indication that cloud gaming isn't feasible
The biggest issue with OnLive was that it couldn't get any EA games. So their largest publisher was THQ which wasn't enough.
If anything, it wasn't a technology failure as much as it was a licensing failure. | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 | Re: Service was trash anyway said by whfsdude:The biggest issue with OnLive was that it couldn't get any EA games. So their largest publisher was THQ which wasn't enough.
Not exactly a loss really. | |
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Evanston, IL | Re: Service was trash anyway agreed! | |
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Evanston, IL | Re: Sounds like they are done I suppose if an ISP would rather not provide service, yes then they would want you to not use it. But that is not what an ISP is in the ISP business for. They are in it to provide the service. You make no damn sense and you know it. Stop trolling. | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 | Common sense? There wouldn't be a need for broadband if the entire internet was bbs terminal text. | |
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Their engineers are but aren't likely to notice or care. | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Only in the USA where ISP's are happy when people can't use their services, because they know they don't have enough competition and choices for people to leave them if they treat them like trash.
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Onlive has been sold and will stay in business:
»venturebeat.com/2012/08/17/confi···company/
OnLive will continue to operate its services during the transition and the new company is backed “by substantial funding,” said a spokeswoman for Steve Perlman, the chief executive of OnLive.
“We can now confirm that the assets of OnLive, Inc. have been acquired into a newly formed company and is backed by substantial funding, and which will continue to operate the OnLive Game and Desktop services, as well as support all of OnLive’s apps and devices, as well as game, productivity and enterprise partnerships,” the company said in a statement. “The new company is hiring a large percentage of OnLive, Inc.’s staff across all departments and plans to continue to hire substantially more people, including additional OnLive employees. All previously announced products and services, including those in the works, will continue and there is no expected interruption of any OnLive services
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Sounds like they are done Samsung, Apple, Google. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Sounds like they are done I think Sony is out of the running. They bought Gaikai in July. | |
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| |  MaggsLife is awesomePremium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
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| “by substantial funding,” said a spokeswoman for Steve Perlman, the chief executive of OnLive."
Substantial funding of Steve Perlman's Change in Control exit package. I wonder how golden his parachute is.
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Faison, NC | Translation :
We had a lot of debt, company was too expensive to run so we closed the doors, let the debt default and formed a new company to use everything that was good about the old one without any losses. | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: Sounds like they are done So yes, they are done.
Sounds like a Vulture Capitalist at work here.
Did Romney buy them? :P | |
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|  ctceoPremium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN | SOLD! To the old man with all the makeup in the big chair at the head of the table.
Let's hope they can put some foundation here, some lipstick there, and a few earrings on the side and make it at least look pretty. | |
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join:2003-02-20
Charlotte, NC
kudos:1 | That sucks I wonder if the employees had any suspicions? I'm not a hardcore gamer but it seemed like On Live was the "hot thing" for 5 minutes and then rapidly cooled off. The Vizio deal seems like a great opportunity to expand their reach but maybe too little too late?
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Washington, DC | Re: That sucks I didn't find the lag bad at all. In fact, I didn't even notice it. However, it was 11 ms to their data center for me (over cable).
If this is true, I will miss playing Homefront on Onlive. | |
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|  SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
join:2000-08-05
Mentor, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Sounds about done to me One of your links said an "unknown 3rd party" may have purchased them.
I'd laugh if it was Wal-marts. Cry if it was Itunes or Microsoft or EA. | |
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| |  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Snakeoil:One of your links said an "unknown 3rd party" may have purchased them.
I'd laugh if it was Wal-marts. Cry if it was Itunes or Microsoft or EA.
EA is getting bought out themselves. They aren't buying Onlive. | |
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Mentor, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Sounds about done to me DAng, wishes do come true. I wasn't aware EA was up for sale/maybe up for sale.
Thanks. | |
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The business model didn't make sense. | |
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| Re: Cool, but not practical If only they used that for a mmo right?
Streaming a mmo means the same thing as connecting to a mmo's server, the server determines who gets what in a mean to secure the game. This means no need to install, just use a live stream, no need to worry about lag or latency if you are internationally far away (video packets would still be fast enough I guess?) but there might be delay in controls...
Heck if Onlive where to cater to the many subscription based mmos, is able to offer 95% graphical sync (you know how the graphics blur), and brings in the big gun mmos from the east... Like Blade and Soul, ArcheAge, and such. | |
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It allows the new owners to implement their own policies and only hire who they think they really need. | |
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Plus that way you can wipe out vested employee's accrual, and raid stock ownership plans, etc
Vulture Capitalism at it's finest.
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An AWFUL, AWFUL idea and I hope it never catches on. Can you imagine if this service had gotten popular enough so that games were released exclusively to it? *shudder*
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Quincy, MA
kudos:1 | ??? So, does this mean that the company is to be known as, "OffDead" from now on? | |
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Mentor, OH
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| Official: OnLive sold to 'newly-formed company,' »www.theverge.com/2012/8/17/32505···tatement
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After hours of rumors, the company has finally issued an official statement via email:
We can now confirm that the assets of OnLive, Inc. have been acquired into a newly-formed company and is backed by substantial funding, and which will continue to operate the OnLive Game and Desktop services, as well as support all of OnLive's apps and devices, as well as game, productivity and enterprise partnerships. The new company is hiring a large percentage of OnLive, Inc.'s staff across all departments and plans to continue to hire substantially more people, including additional OnLive employees. All previously announced products and services, including those in the works, will continue and there is no expected interruption of any OnLive services.
We apologize that we were unable to comment on this transaction until it completed, and were limited to reporting on news related to OnLive's businesses. Now that the transaction is complete, we are able to make this statement.
As you can see, OnLive isn't disclosing the name of the new company nor the source of its "substantial funding," only that it's "newly-formed." Although many OnLive employees have been seen leaving the company's headquarters with boxes full of possessions, apparently "a large percentage" will be hired by this new company — though whether "large" can fairly be read as "a majority" isn't at all clear. OnLive also wouldn't confirm whether OnLive CEO Steve Perlman was a part of the new, mystery company.
So around it goes.
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kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Que chorus of 'I told ya so' No doubt you can find someone saying "I told you so" about this.
Whether it is accurate remains to be seen.
There is no shortage of good ideas out there, that just don't get implemented properly.
I hate Steam as much as I like it. Ok maybe I don't hate it that much and maybe I don't like it that much and perhaps my main feeling is I just don't care either way. But you can sure find a lot of haters, and few likers for it.
So too likely with On Live. It likely is a good enough idea, but just too easy to heap on hate, and too hard to find anyone interested in praising it. I know every time I have tried to see some merit in it, it gets beaten up by the "I want to own my game" mob.
This regardless of how digital delivery out performs buying a scratchable physical copy every single time, even if you don't get permanent forever ownership of the ability to download. But considering how the lifespan of a person's ability to give a damn about a game (even a great one) is often barely a few months.
Case in point, most of my gamer friends will rave on about plenty of games, but next year odds are they have moved on months ago. Too many games are play once experiences any way.
I mean I am a wargamer, and most of my games have infinite replay, and then I realise, wargames as a category, is so small that most people don't even know what a real wargame actually is. No, it's not Call of Arcade Action, or Medal of Yet another shooter. But have you ever even heard of the award winning Panzer Corps?
The idea of Onlive is this, spend your money playing the game, not constantly spending your money on buying better and better computers. Every time you avoid buying a new computer (500 bucks to start), is 500 bucks spent on games. Hey 500 bucks lasts a long time at 15 bucks a month for game memberships eh.
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| Re: Que chorus of 'I told ya so' If you build a computer for $500 bucks a year then yeah it might be worth it. But I spend $700-$800 and a computer can possibly last me 5 years. Plus my computer does way more then just play video games.
So I most likely would buy around 10-15 games in those 5 years. Honestly their are not that many great games made every year. So I basically spend around $22 a month and guess what. I own everything.
Onlive almost had a death blow here. If you wanna spend money on this thing I would not say nothing bad about you. But if it does die next time that's it you lose everything. Me, I lose nothing. | |
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join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
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| Re: Que chorus of 'I told ya so' And that is this company's problem. Mostly the hardcore pc gamers know about this and we only make up a very small portion of the market.
The ones they need to market this product to just don't know it even exists. If they were to market it to the correct crowd they would definitely get the $300+ console owners to take a good look at their $100 price point.
Too bad it seems that they really don't want to succeed though.
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Mississauga, ON | Refunds? Well the server will stay up, I wonder what will happen to my paid Homefront and Deus Ex Human Revolution? | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | ISP caps were going to kill this anyways. My son tried a 30 day trial for $2 a while back. The service used 3 GB per hour. An hour a day using this would be 90 GB a month. | |
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So the people who did know about the service usually didnt have a great experience because their internet wasnt up to par. | |
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