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| Digital radio offers "no generation loss": bit for bit fidelity of the source data. Using a tape recorder to capture music over the air is like videotaping a movie on TV: it's not going to be as good as the "official" videotape release.
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They aren't afraid of tape recorders.
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| Re: Ridiculous "They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... "
Try 35 years ago! I remember back in the 70's that the recording industry would strong-arm FM stations into not playing whole album sides to prevent people from taping their broadcast. Rumor had it that they pushed the whole talking over the intro and song endings too to foil any "bootleggers".(But I think that started back in the 50's). Back then FM, especially FM stereo was a real boon to music broadcasts. That along with ever improving recording technology more than made up for some of the loss in quality when taping. Not to mention while the audio quality of the music was pretty good most people had cheap tape players that masked most of the defects. | |
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| Re: Ridiculous said by Captain_Avat :
"They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... "
Try 35 years ago! I remember back in the 70's that the recording industry would strong-arm FM stations into not playing whole album sides to prevent people from taping their broadcast. Rumor had it that they pushed the whole talking over the intro and song endings too to foil any "bootleggers".(But I think that started back in the 50's). Back then FM, especially FM stereo was a real boon to music broadcasts. That along with ever improving recording technology more than made up for some of the loss in quality when taping. Not to mention while the audio quality of the music was pretty good most people had cheap tape players that masked most of the defects.
Even if you use top notch professional analog recording gear, there's STILL loss of data, especially if you want to make a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy... you get the idea. If properly encoded, a 10th generation MP3 copy will be truly identical to the original.
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| Re: Ridiculous Such is the nature of analog, true. However, there is generational loss with transcoding lossy-compressed content. When digital can be copied bit for bit it's the same as the original lossy-compressed content, but who are they kidding calling satellite radio CD-quality? I'd hate to hear what they call cassette quality. | |
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I admit that newer technology makes pirating an increased threat. But too bad. I enjoy recording internet radio so I can use it on my PDA while offline. I enjoy Tivo because it lets me watch content at another time.
Frankly, introducing copy protection measures into a digital stream of music should be ruled as illegal.
I'm really sick of the RIAA. Their lawsuits are extortion and now they're trying to regulate things beyond their control. | |
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No, quality has nothing to do with it from a legal point of view. The law is the law. Whether I record a snowy picture of Hollywood Squares on a 2 head VCR, or record the Sopranos from an HDTV feed directly to a DVD, the law is the same and it's my right to do so. The same applies to music.
I admit that newer technology makes pirating an increased threat. But too bad. I enjoy recording internet radio so I can use it on my PDA while offline. I enjoy Tivo because it lets me watch content at another time.
Frankly, introducing copy protection measures into a digital stream of music should be ruled as illegal.
I'm really sick of the RIAA. Their lawsuits are extortion and now they're trying to regulate things beyond their control.
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So, the way you put it, the RIAA doesn't care about "pirating" or "copying" lower quality music, but they care about "pirating" or "copying" high quality music.
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Since when was mp3 high quality?
Learn how to reply correctly. I never once mentioned that mp3's were high quality. | |
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| Before the advent of digital music weren't people prosecuted for selling bootleg audio cassettes?
What is the legal difference between a 1985 scenario where music is copied via an FM broadcast for home use and a 2004 scenario where it is copied from an XM broadcast and played at home? | |
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| Re: Ridiculous Exactly. The RIAA has no legal recourse in this since they already shot themselves in the foot saying it's okay to copy off the radio (royalties already being paid by the radio station). So all they can do is "recommend" a course a action... you know... to help the artists. | |
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join:2001-01-25
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| So what exactly is the issue here? Most radio stations are totally useless and play the same songs for months 10 times a day.
I would be more concerned about people memorizing the music from overplay than I would be about digital radio which is just as evil as digital cable and *gasp* hdtv. incredible.. | |
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| Re: Ridiculous Bull****.
The riaa cared just as much when tape players came out as they do now. The only difference is now we have a medium in which trading is extremely simple and easy: The internet.
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The RIAA never cared about analog copying due to generation loss. Copying digital content (CD-R, digital radio, MP3, etc.) bothers them because it's a perfect, bit-by-bit copy of the original.
Are you on crack? The RIAA wants you to believe MP3's are a perfect bit by bit copy. Do you realize mp3's are like 1/10 of the original recording? Or do you believe into the RIAA propaganda?
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| Re: Ridiculous said by Spike401 :
Do you realize mp3's are like 1/10 of the original recording? Or do you believe into the RIAA propaganda?
Actually that depends on the mp3. Running at 96-128ps would be around 10% the bits of an audio CD file format. However there are higher bitrates, some reaching that of only 1/3 compression over standard audio. Also keep in mind the compression itself doesn't necessarily mean lower quality. Some bits of data can be duplicated and repeated with no quality loss while others do lose a bit of fidelity. That's what the mp3 format does.
I wouldn't say a 128 Kbps mp3 file is only 10% of the quality of the audio CD standard, but I will say it is definitely a lower quality. | |
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| a 320k mp3 sounds just as good as CD on my computer sound system and heck even on my home stereo using the digital out on my PC you cant really tell the difference between 320k mp3 and a CD. even 128k sounds close if not the same as CD. there isnt a audiable difference on 99.9% of the sound systems out there, now on audiophile equipment but i could never understand paying 1k+ for a single speaker and 10k for the amp.
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| Re: Ridiculous I notice differences on 128k mp3's over CD quality in my $300 car stereo system. Sure the differences are small in that environment but they are there. In my sub-$1000 home stereo system (receiver, speakers and all) I can definitely hear a difference. With 320K it's less audible but sometimes with high fidelity acoustic recordings I can still hear slight limitations. It's not just expensive audiophile systems that can pick up the lower quality. If you have a good enough ear for audio any decent to good system will do. | |
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| If you want lossless you want FLAC. Mp3 is far from lossless.
SRFireside: The RIAA doesnt give a shit about the artists, but only to help the record industry milk the consumer and make an extra buck where they can. Is any of this lawsuit money going to the artists?
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| Re: Ridiculous said by Spike401 :
Is any of this lawsuit money going to the artists?
Of course not. I should have put some quotes on that to denote sarcasm. I agree mp3's, even at 320k, is still compression and still holds limitations over standard audio. | |
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| Stoopid! Geez, WTF is wrong with these people? The DJ's blab over the intro of the record anyway! Don't they even LISTEN to the radio? Guess they're scared of the stations that play whole albums on Sundays, and most of those are old "classics" that are hard to find anyway.
Valenti and his thugs need to get a life!
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Batavia, IL | Oh for cryin' out loud! Aside from forcing us back, technologically, to the 60's and money, is there anything that these yahoos like? | |
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Aside from forcing us back, technologically, to the 60's and money, is there anything that these yahoos like?
When you pay $50 for a cd and their children's children's children don't have to work a day in their lives.
And who are you calling yahoos these guys are obviously so up to date on tech that they can predict what will happen years before it happens.
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And who are you calling yahoos these guys are obviously so up to date on tech that they can predict what will happen years before it happens.
DAT tapes would destroy the music business.
Didn't happen.
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| Re: Oh for cryin' out loud! said by pcscdma :
DAT tapes would destroy the music business.
Didn't happen.
They would have put a big dent on RIAA's profits if they were cheap enough and more widely available.
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| Re: Oh for cryin' out loud! said by LordMalak :
They would have put a big dent on RIAA's profits if they were cheap enough and more widely available.
The only thing that is putting a dent in the RIAAs revenue generation is it's very own unsatiable GREED.
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- For the first quarter of 2003 Soundscan registered 147,000,000 records sold.
- For the 1st quarter of 2004 Soundscan will report 160,000,000 records sold.
That's 13,000,000 more units, almost a 10% increase in sales since last year. He also confessed that 1st quarter "album sales" (as opposed to overall sales) had increased 9.4% since 2003.
What gives? Didn't Cary Sherman recently attest to the "fact" that there was a "7% decrease in revenue since last year." (This quote was taken from Mr. Sherman's speech to Financial Times Media at a Broadcasting Conference in London.) And didn't he name piracy/file-sharing as the main reason? Yes, according to more than one source. (»musicdish.com/mag/index.php3?id=9338)
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| Re: RIAA's Claim Of "Lost Sales It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that more cds and more money is being made during this era of piracy and freeloaders than ever before. RIAA is spreading propaganda that in the end will turn around and hurt the industry. Then when revenues start to fall because of their tactics, they will further blame the pirate and try to send anyone who downloads a song to prison for the rest of their lives. | |
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| IIRC, the "explanation" for the lower CD sales was that the RIAA members were shipping less CDs to stores. The reason for this was simply because stores were ordering less.
Years back, the record companies would release a new album and would be able to all but require each store to buy X copies. The store could take years to sell them (meanwhile paying to keep them in stock), but the recording industry would mark it as a sale then and there. Recently, stores realized that they could keep less in stock and still get by. So they're ordering less.
Couple this with the RIAA members releasing less music last year and competing more and more with other forms of entertainment (DVDs, TV, movies, video games, etc) and a recession that left consumers with less to spend and you have your explanation for the dropped CD sales.
Of course, if you happen to be an RIAA exec, just ignore everything I just said and attribute it to those evil, Internet pirates.
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Hercules, CA
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| Hello! XM Radio.... Sirius! DUH! Digital has been here for a while. Do you have cable? You do know digital music is streaming through most digital cable providers, right? 
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| Sink the RIAA once and for all. The only sure-fire method to shutting up the RIAA (and solving a lot of other problems too) is to get to the root of the problem: the professional politician.
We need to have term limits for all elected officials. If you have term limits you banish the professional politician. If there are no pro politicos then the lobby system would slowly crumble. No effective lobby system puts the RIAA and all the other greed mongers in the same boat as the general public. You also no longer have re-election campaign funds that big businesses will pump money into.
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| Topsy-Turvy Talk about insane:
U.S. regulators at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) should ensure that the broadcast format limits such copying so radio stations don't turn the airwaves into a giant file-sharing network,"
Since when is it the government's responsibility to mandate this sort of thing?? The FCC gives the frequency allocations and that's it. Whatever copy protection crap they want to throw on there is up to Clear Channel, erm I mean "independent stations across the country", and the makers of radios.
If the radio stations don't want to copy protect the content, then the RIAA can take it up with them.
Please don't take my tax dollars to do a study on which encryption method (which will be broke within 6 months of it's release) the US government should mandate. It's up to the content folks to figure that out (and watch it fail).
But the bigger question is, with the radio so full of absolute crap, who the hell would take the time or effort to record it?
It is nice that the RIAA wants to keep radio in the '50's, that's really serving us well.
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My God!! Do you realise the implications of this?
Next thing you know, people will be breathing the same air, those recordings have been sent on!! this could lead to inspiration, and interest, and yes, I dare say, "unfettered" happiness will run rampant in the streets!! Total chaos, and anarchy, I say!! People will be having kids, and, and,
and propagating this atrocity...Well, it could be disastrous!!
I call on the Congress of the U.S.A. to immediately, drop whatever unimportant thing they are doing at this time, pull up those trousers past their belly buttons, shake a fist, and pass some absurd law, to quickly quell this coup!!!
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| Re: Soundwaves. all of this talk and ranting isnt going to do a thing about it.
they can come up with whatever technology they want in a vain attempt to prevent people from making digital copies, but someone, somewhere out there will defeat it and it will spread across the internet like wildfire.
i am not intimidated at all.
its not just the music/video industry, its the united states government.
theres payoffs under the tables.
aside from the riaa/mpaa, take a closer look at our "great" country, gas prices, milk prices, cheap manufacturing, terrorists, unemployment, foreigners with no education, no means to get any and living on our tax dollars called "welfare".
we live in a "controlled" society, slaves to be free.
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| Re: Soundwaves. said by IllIlIlllIll :
all of this talk and ranting isnt going to do a thing about it.
they can come up with whatever technology they want in a vain attempt to prevent people from making digital copies, but someone, somewhere out there will defeat it and it will spread across the internet like wildfire.
i am not intimidated at all.
its not just the music/video industry, its the united states government.
theres payoffs under the tables.
aside from the riaa/mpaa, take a closer look at our "great" country, gas prices, milk prices, cheap manufacturing, terrorists, unemployment, foreigners with no education, no means to get any and living on our tax dollars called "welfare".
we live in a "controlled" society, slaves to be free.
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join:2001-12-25
Sarasota, FL
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| open season Open a hunting season on riaa executives with a generous bag limit....just kidding. In all seriousness now, doing stupid/useless things like this will only make people WANT to get their music for free and circumvent any new technology introduced. Oh and then there is the obvious consequence of becoming the new Nazis of the "digital age" but I suppose I'm digressing due to lack of sleep.... | |
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join:2002-11-17
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| /www.boycott-riaa.com They spend more money on stupidity than they will ever loose to piracy. If they would just adjust their business model to fit the times, like every other business has done, they could utilize this technology to make billions. But they will probably just spend billions suing people, and run the music labels into the ground..... Hey Waite! That would mean no more riaa. That's a good thing. Who's bringing the beer? | |
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White City, OR
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| Values The RIAA wants to convince congress that everyone would rather steal from them rather than pay a fair amount for a legitimate CD, movie, song. However, when given a chance to purchase a copy of musical work at a reasonable price most people would do that. Everyone knows stealing is wrong its an in transcendental value that is instilled within everyone. If it doesn’t belong to you don’t take it. If you like it then get your own.
However while convincing congress to make these new laws to “protect” the RIAA from these “thieves” or customers. They in fact gouge prices, and steal from every single person they can in an attempt to fulfill their own greed. Hasn’t anyone told them that greed will never satisfy. Maybe they should try a new approach. Like providing great music to their customers at a reasonable price. Its must more rewarding to do things for others than to satisfy yourself. | |
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Fox Powered
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| Keeping a 50's business model in the 20th century. The RIAA will stop and cripple any new technology. Piracy is just their excuse and scapegoat to syphon government aided resources to control what we want to hear and when. To change laws, to keep the US and the rest of the world in their past. If nothing is done, we will never be able to enjoy any new technology. This affects us here in Canada too, its legal here for us to use fair use, even when its digital. But guess what? Most of our Canadian products are also built for the USA. So we get the same restrictions imposed in our electronics as people in America. Like the VHS/DVD combo machines, in the manual, the DMCA prevents allowing of DVD->VHS recording, but were in Canada right? Yeah, thats what I thought. The industry knows most of the world will also get handed their copy protected crap as well.
Getting back to digital radios, they have been in the UK for quite a while now, with millions of units sold, and it has never stirred up a storm the RIAA is fussing about. They are using the piracy scapegoat yet again to try and get the FCC to kiss their butt so they can get what they want. All their meaning of piracy is is just one big scapegoat. Sales are down, blame piracy, people not wanting to stay in the past with an ancient business model, blame piracy. People not wanting to pay 20 bucks or more for a CD, blame piracy. So the people that cant afford it, blame Piracy again. Oh, and the RIAA are also complaining about people making their own mp3 ringtones for their mobile phones, cutting into a new market of theirs. How far can they get with that? They are all pissy because theres this program out there that will do it for you. So since when were 30 second samples of songs illegal? Go to Amazon.com and you'll find all kinds of good 30 second samples for your ringtones. 
The RIAA are nothing but a bunch of greedy idiots that cant grasp current technology. Their 50's business model has came to and end, and they are pulling out all the stops to try and put a complete stop to it. Using tax payers dollars for their own gain, putting crazy rights reducing laws into congress, slipping them without any real public review. Making sound recordings works for hire, so the artists cant demand to own their original master tapes and copyrights. Oh, and not one cent of the lawsuit money they extort from people go to the artists. Paying your congress critters hundreds of thousands just to get laws to feed their own greed and steal your ever shrinking rights.
So why are there people that kiss up to the RIAA and say they are right? And believing into their FUD propaganda that they pollute big media news with? These people just go to CNN and RIAA.org and read RIAA stories, and not to unbaised real sites like downhillbattle.org and boycott-riaa.com.
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USA | Re: Keeping a 50's business model in the 20th cent Woot! Well put Spike. I dont think I could have phrased it any better than you did. This kind of crap will never go away until we ditch capitalism. | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | dont forget the RIAA reportedly pays the radio stations to play certain songs, its illegal and called Payola.
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Spike401
Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27
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1 edit | Re: Keeping a 50's business model in the 20th cent said by Kearnstd :
dont forget the RIAA reportedly pays the radio stations to play certain songs, its illegal and called Payola.
Yeah, and they get around it by calling it Advertising.
They can use loopholes and nothing is said, but when we do, they're all over it and pays congress to close such gaps. Maybe we should lobby congress to change some Advertising regulations to prevent record industries from doing this. See how they like it on their end.
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| Ok... What makes y'all think that digital radio will be like XM and not like current FM radio? You know, where the DJ's talk over the first 60 seconds of a song, cut off the last 60 seconds (whether to play an ad, start up another song, or just prattle on uselessly), bleep out anything moderately offensive in a song, and only play "radio edits" of songs that are found on CD's at sometimes twice the length?
Despite the improved quality of digital over FM and being able to record to MP3, there's no music industry killer here. The RIAA is panicking over nothing just like with cassette recorders, and the movie industry with VHS. | |
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| My take on the issue Folks, this is nothing new. As it has been illustrated by several in this discussion, new technology comes up, people get scared that they're going to lose their livelyhood. Fair enough.
Remember VCRs? They were going to ruin the movie industry. Since the advent of VCRs, movie sales and ticket sales have almost tripled (something I heard on TV a couple weeks ago).
The RIAA thinks that they represent every little recording artist out there. From school bands to bands like Metallica. The facts are, they don't represent everybody. They take their cut, and throw a couple bucks to the top X% of the artists out there, and the little guys don't get anything. So, we keep hearing the same crappy bands over and over and over again on out radios (XM, FM, AM, webcast).
I am going to continue running my shoutcast station without paying royalties. Why? Cuz I'm unemployed and I'm doing it for fun. If the RIAA wants to try and take a chunk out of my hide for it, I say bring it on. They can't take away from me what I don't have. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: My take on the issue Under the new royalty payment rules they can't take much from you anyway. Maybe $150 per year? I dunno. Either way Internet radio along with the independent "stations" are here to stay. | |
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