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Disc Golf Course Designers Against Net Neutrality?
Sponsored by AT&T
by Karl Bode Monday 01-Feb-2010 tags: business · Op/Ed · telco · net-neutrality · consumers
As we've often mentioned, cable and phone companies frequently "co-opt" legitimate (or not) groups, giving them donations in exchange for parroting AT&T, Verizon or Comcast policy positions. This helps create a sound wall of sorts, and creates the illusion that these companies have a diverse range of public support for policies that quite often, well, very much don't. The groups used in this fashion range from corn farmers to civil rights groups, all of which say whatever they're told to on demand -- frequently with no real idea of the details of the issue they're supporting.

The FCC's recent request for public comment on network neutrality of course was the perfect opportunity for carriers to use these groups, once again, to help their cause. In many instances the authors don't even try very hard. The Arkansas Retired Seniors Coalition didn't even bother to completely fill out the form letter provided by AT&T lobbyists when filing comments with the agency. They did wisely omit the fact that the group is operated by a thirty year Southwestern Bell employee.

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A reader also writes in amused that even disc golf course designers got in on the action. This filing (pdf), submitted by a "professional disc golf designer" by the name of HB Clark, laments the FCC's interest in neutrality protections because they might hurt his small business. How? Other than some vague references to the ancient carrier talking point that all consumer protections magically crush network investment (something that just simply isn't true), Mr. Clark doesn't appear entirely sure:

The FCC must make clear that it supports broadband carriers who are improving and expanding their networks, without placing unnecessary constraints on these providers that have allowed small businesses like mine to grow. We are the backbone of the economy and the jobs of tomorrow depend on a thoughtful, long-temn approach that allows for continued innovation and competition.

It is most certainly coincidence that AT&T is sponsoring Mr. Clark's 2010 Disc Golf Tour. Perhaps the FCC's network neutrality guidelines will be awful, and perhaps they won't (as it stands, it seems likely the only thing they'll really do is require carriers be transparent about network management). But you start to wonder: if AT&T's position on network neutrality is so solid, why the need for lobbyist-crafted dishonesty?

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Bobcat
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Make that Disc Golf Course Designers

You do know the difference between golf and disc golf, right?

Karl Bode
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Re: Make that Disc Golf Course Designers

Yes. I make reference to disc golf throughout the entire article. Only the title was missing "disc." Corrected, thanks.

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No pun intended. Seriously...

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Hmmm...

Perhaps they should bring in Tiger Woods.
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Re: Hmmm...

said by pnh102:

Perhaps they should bring in Tiger Woods.
no they want to say they are family companies.

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Disc golf is misleading;the real name should be frisbee golf

Think of a bunch of people throwing frisbees at poles with flags on the top. Why anyone would care what they think about anything is beyond me.

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Re: Disc golf is misleading;the real name should be frisbee golf

AT&T thinks people care, since they're shelling out money to sponsor the group's tour: »www.bluegrassdiscgolf.org/Tour-Schedule.html

Maybe this is a good moneymaking opportunity for others. You and I could start some sports organization, stage some 'events' and a tour, and get some bucks from AT&T in exchange for signing some statement they write. Maybe the Synchronized Bowling League or something like that.
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Re: Disc golf is misleading;the real name should be frisbee golf

said by fatness:

AT&T thinks people care, since they're shelling out money to sponsor the group's tour: »www.bluegrassdiscgolf.org/Tour-Schedule.html

Maybe this is a good moneymaking opportunity for others. You and I could start some sports organization, stage some 'events' and a tour, and get some bucks from AT&T in exchange for signing some statement they write. Maybe the Synchronized Bowling League or something like that.
OK Let's do it



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Maybe you guys should stick to subjects you know something about. As stated above Disc Golf is a professional sport, and there is no Frisbee's in the game. They are weighted discs scientifically engineered for the sport. Some other things left out were that Disc Golf is one of THE fastest growing sports in the world growing at an average of 13% a year. Just to be clear the PDGA stands for Professional Disc Golf Association - so ya if you got 25 or so years to put together a skilled sport that not only gives a "not-for-profit, free to the public, positive medium for our communities and parks, by all means go get your sponsorship.
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Re: Disc golf is misleading;the real name should be frisbee golf

Amen, brother!! Been playing since the mid-70's. The sport rocks!

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lol i can't help but laugh at the guys playing disk golf at the park by my house.

I can't help but laugh at this guy also!

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Re: Disc golf is misleading;the real name should be frisbee golf

Disc golf is fun!

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"Frisbee" is a trademark, I believe. Thus, "disc golf" would be the correct, more generic term for the sport.
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Re: Disc golf is misleading;the real name should be frisbee golf

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"Frisbee" is a trademark, I believe. Thus, "disc golf" would be the correct, more generic term for the sport.
Exactly and "Novelty Flying Disk Golf" just does not have the same ring to it.

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I think pot-smoking hippies throwing frisbees around are completely representative of the average consumer.

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said by ThrowDemsOut:

Think of a bunch of people throwing frisbees at poles with flags on the top. Why anyone would care what they think about anything is beyond me.
Why would you say that ??? Why the negativity???

It is a great way to get exercise and meet people.
I used to go out with friends and take a 12 pack of beer.
Walk throw disk and drink beer at the same time get exercise. some courses are built so its like your hiking.
Heck somtimes we would do the course twice or more.
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allow me to enlightenyou

net neutrality = do your jobs make quality low priced product

NON Net Neutrality = monopoly gouging high priced take what we give you suckers product

too many of you are falling for the last category
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Re: allow me to enlightenyou

And don't forget that the ISP's would love to charge sites for preferential access to their subs. Net neutrality is a big stumbling block to that business model.

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Re: allow me to enlightenyou

if anything Net neutrality benefits small business.
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Re: allow me to enlightenyou

Precisely. After all, they'd never be able to compete with the big boys when trying to cut deals for preferential access. Suddenly, the big sites would start loading faster, and all the ISP's customers would know is that one site seems faster and more responsive than the other. They'd likely conclude that the slower site must not be as well-run and therefore not deserving of their business.

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Insight

I know nothing about the issues discussed in the article concerning the economics or technical issues, however, I do know that H.B. Clark listed in the article is a former employee with AT&T. I don't recall his position but I think he was in regional management.

While you may disagree with his point of view, and rightly so perhaps, he isn't just some disc golfer without a clue of this issues. Like me

As far as disc golf being a fad (which has been around since 1927) done by a few folk (pdga has 40,000 members increasing each year by around 20 percent) who are mostly college grads over 30-40 years old making tween 50-100 grand a year playing on nearly 3000 courses around the globe with a pro purse over 2 million. I guess I get your point.
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Re: Insight

He may be very knowledgeable on this issue (my disagreement with his position notwithstanding), but does he have the right to use this organization to advocate for his position? Was the membership polled to see how they felt (if they even had an opinion), or did the letter get mailed immediately after a large check cleared?

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Yeah, and his web editing skills are top notch too.

hb_clark@bellosuth.net

Damn typos.

Oh wait, the topic is not proof reading. Oops, the topic is not even disc golf, which in no freeking way was started around 1927.

I really like the little wiki piece of bs that reads, "In 2009, approximately one out of every five rounds of golf played in the United States will be disc golf rounds.[citation needed]"

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Re: Re: Insight

You asked some good questions which intrigued me to read everything listed in both the article and connected posts. I don't pretend to completely understand the entire issue. However:
H.B. does have the right to use the organization Bluegrass Disc Golf to advocate for his position since he owns it. It's a small business venture I think.

Was membership polled? if that is in reference to the professional disc golf association they wouldn't have been, but he didn't claim to represent them. There is no other membership tied to him to which I am aware.

Did the letter get mailed after a large check cleared?
I'm sure a check cleared since they are the sponsor of the tour, but they have been for years so unless you mean a special check just for mailing the letter, who knows, but based on what I know of H.B. I don't think so...I'll ask if you want me too.

Disc golf not around since 1927? You might be right, I wasn't around then either. I sorta tongue in cheeked that but »www.pdga.com/history has some info if you are really interested. I guess early to mid 1970's is a definite.

Regarding the issue, which is most important to this group I'm sure. I don't trust either one of them. The carrier who wants to charge 20 cents a text nor the government agency that wants to regulate, tax, or have power over it. I'm guessing it's a worst of two evils kind of choice. So which one can I get rid of if I don't like how they choose to use their power? I'll have to think on that a little more.

And laugh every time I see those guys out in the field trying to hit a little white ball with a stick into a hole. How could you ever take a guy who does something so silly seriously? I quit playing with my balls years ago.

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