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'Disgruntled Employee' Disrupts DSLExtreme Service
All Customers Being Told to Change Passwords
by Karl Bode Monday 19-Dec-2011 tags: dsl · business · bandwidth · security · consumers · DSL EXTREME
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Last week, several subscribers (see forum threads here and here) to DSL provider DSLExtreme posted to our forums stating that accounts had been "hacked," their service suddenly and mysteriously no longer worked, and that all their passwords had been changed. One user states their line was suddenly upgraded and services were added without their consent. When users initially called in to report these strange occurrences, they say they were given a bit of a runaround in getting the issues resolved.

ISP support initially told customers the mysterious line upgrades and cancellations were due to a computer glitch, with accounts "accidentally updated by an automated process on our end." Two days later the story had changed rather significantly, with DSLExtreme reps stating that the "isolated security concerns" experienced by some of the ISP's users were due to a "disgruntled employee."

According to the company, the employee was getting revenge for DSLExtreme's decision to shift some oversease outsourced support services back in house:

On a handful of accounts various information on the account was updated to rogue information. When notified of the issue we were able to isolate the accounts that had been updated and correct the account issues. Unfortunately a handful of people temporarily had their service disrupted due to the issue. We initially thought that the issue was caused by an error in a script. After very thorough investigation we were able to isolate the incident to a disgruntled employee that was upset with our third party call center due to some recent changes as a result of us recently moving all tier two support back in house. This employee has since been terminated, arrested and is being prosecuted to the fullest extent.

Earlier this year DSLExtreme outsourced a significant amount of support work, firing a significant number of workers in their California and Utah offices. According to DSLExtreme, user credit card data was not accessed by this employee, but they are having all of the ISP's customers change their passwords for ISP services as a precautionary measure.

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DataRiker
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Lie first

Why should we believe a company that lied to cover up a disgruntled employee about credit card data?

I would respect and be way more patient if a business was upfront and frank with me.

battleop

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Re: Lie first

Do you have any proof or are you just making a guess?

It's more likely the customer service reps who gave this answer were not aware of the real problem. It may have taken a day or so to go from a few weird reports to passing it on to a senior engineer who discovered the problem.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

Re: Lie first

That's usually the way it happens. Tier 1 CSR's are usually the very LAST people to know about something going on.

battleop

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Re: Lie first

Yet most customers think that the Tier 1 CSRs speak on behalf of the CEO and they take every word they say as such.

DataRiker
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Re: Lie first

No, My assumption is that the upper management lied to the Reps.

Does that somehow make it better?

The person who's responsible for customer security/accounts absolutely knew right away, but I'm sure that departments management lied until they realized they couldn't fix it quick enough.

There is no account system in the world that doesn't log time/date/user for changes to a system.

I bet the problem centered around the IT peoples having to manually look up individual accounts to find changes made by the said employee.

( its funny how corporate apologists will make any excuse to distort the overly obvious cover ups.....AKA SONY )

Metatron2008
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Stockbridge, GA

Re: Lie first

Of course they lie when a breach first happens; with that said, these dimwits outsourced everything, so it may have taken a while before they found the issue...

DataRiker
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Re: Lie first

Anybody who has worked in this industry can tell you 100% positive they knew immediately, but probably didn't know the extent. When they found out it was extensive they had no choice but to come clean.

Account management and billing systems are simplistic. Sometimes overly simplistic, which is why they probably had trouble finding all of the touched accounts quickly.

Personally if I had a company, I would inform ALL users immediately if there was a security breach.

Again, this is speculation of course, but honestly the only other explanation is they ignore problems and are incapable of basic reading skills.

battleop

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Re: Lie first

If they knew immediately then they would have been able to remove their access. Nothing appears to have been "hacked' rather they didn't remove this person's access prior to this persons dismissal.

"When they found out it was extensive they had no choice but to come clean."

How exactly does a hand full of DSLR readers show it was "extensive"? How do you know for sure this is what is going on? Unless you work there, you are copied on emails, or you were on a conference call about the problem you can do nothing but make ASSumptions.

DataRiker
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Re: Lie first

Its basic common sense.

Or I take it you subscribe to the alternative possibility that their employees simply cant read or use simple deduction.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
I gotta say, I don't have the greatest amount of love for DSLExtreme and their business policies & practices. This was based upon a friend's dealings with them from several years ago though... This seems like something they'd do to me. Of course many companies would probably do the same type of thing.

dvd536
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said by DataRiker:

Why should we believe a company that lied to cover up a disgruntled employee about credit card data?

I would respect and be way more patient if a business was upfront and frank with me.

Exactly why credit card auto-pay is a bad idea!
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Oh YES! let me drop everything i'm doing regardless of who it affects to deal with your petty little problem!

espaeth
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Re: Lie first

said by dvd536:

Exactly why credit card auto-pay is a bad idea!

Because you're not liable for inaccurate charges, and none of your own money is tied up while the transaction is in dispute?

Yeah, that's horrible.

DataRiker
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Re: Lie first

What if you lose the dispute or simply give up out of frustration? ( VERIZON looking at you...)

What if its a debit card and you overdraft? My bank doesn't remove them willy nilly.

It can be done, but it takes time and effort.

ReVeLaTeD
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San Diego, CA
said by DataRiker:

Why should we believe a company that lied to cover up a disgruntled employee about credit card data?

I would respect and be way more patient if a business was upfront and frank with me.

Just so we're fair here...other companies would NOT have:

- eventually come clean. They would continue lying (SDG&E, I'm looking at you. A dumb engineer basically did a manual shutdown of the plant, which then dominoed into one of the worst outages I've ever seen. I mean it felt like Armageddon in places. They STILL have not admitted to it, yet we know that's what happened from inside details.)

- clarify WHY it happened.

- outline what corrective actions were taken.

- describe what punishment the employee(s) received. (you hear stories about FedEx and UPS and USPS and DHL and whatever, but they will NEVER tell people how they dealt with the issue.)
WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX

Good support from India

Enjoy.

silentlooker
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Glad they got taught a lesson

I am very glad they got taught a lesson for taking support out of the country. I wish all company got taught same lesson.

djrobx

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Re: Glad they got taught a lesson

DSLExtreme has been slowly heading down Earthlink's path for years. I'm glad to hear they brought some jobs back to the US, but the fact that they outsourced at all is a problem. They seem to have forgotten what the purpose of going with a 3rd party ISP is in the first place.

"The little guy" needs to offer a higher class of service. If I want mediocre support to whom I'm just another number, I'll just stick with the incumbent.
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en103

join:2011-05-02

Re: Glad they got taught a lesson

DSLExtreme 'was' the rare company that used to advertise that their tech support was based out of SoCal... not anymore.
smokemonster
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I used to provide DSL (tier 2) technical support for Verizon, at a call centre located in Canada. Verizon has since sent my job to Asia, but I find that customer expectations around outsourcing were unreasonable.

I once asked a customer, "Do you want ultra cheap Internet, or all domestic call centres, because you can't have both." This remains a valid question for North American consumers.

Currently, I do account management and technical support for Bell Canada. I find that overseas centres are filled with many hard-working, decent people, but their lack of knowledge of Canadian geography etc. sometimes trips them up, resulting in customer frustration. Moreover, the VOIP connections the overseas centres use are HORRIBLE.
envision

join:2007-10-30

a little backwards?

according to them, the employee did it for them bringing the support section back into the US. not the other way around. if so, talk about being backwards!
Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL

Re: a little backwards?

Which makes it sound like it was a disgruntled Indian. If they'd never outsourced to start with they wouldn't have had this issue.

Lost esteem is a hidden expense for their outsourcing.
moes

join:2009-11-15
Indianapolis, IN

Re: a little backwards?

India is a piss poor country, I can see why this happend. I'd be pissed too if I lost my job.
envision

join:2007-10-30

Re: a little backwards?

i know that feeling all to well just recently.
NWOhio

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
speak about your own country and not about someone elses first. All countries have their problems but when you start calling other countries piss poor you have problems. A lot of the problems that other countries have across the pond are/were created by the USA. India only got H1N1 due to an American going over to visit. Also do you know where a majority of US Medical Doctors come from? It surely isn't the damn USA.
moes

join:2009-11-15
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Re: a little backwards?

I've been to india, I know what it's like, I know the living conditions, I know the job situation. so yes, I have the right to call it a piss poor country.
talz13

join:2006-03-15
Avon, OH
said by NWOhio:

Also do you know where a majority of US Medical Doctors come from? It surely isn't the damn USA.

Why do you think they left?

exDSLXcust

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I cancelled my service two months ago...

....and now I'm doubly glad I did!
WE SO SUFFER

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Re: I cancelled my service two months ago...

make that two of us, they are the scummiest company I ever dealt with, and I have dealt with a few in my day..

They screwed with my family big time when I was going through a real rough patch,
basically ignored us for weeks and left us without service

I even drove to their office in person through rush hour traffic in desperation after being lied to/hung up on/given the run around by the Filipino/Indian reps for the last time
And basically only got to speak to the secretary at the front desk, you would think someone could have gotten off their arse to come see what my problem was but.. i could see how little they really cared, not just based on that of course, just a horrible company through and through

I only got helped in cancelling the account without being forced to pay HUGE fines (for what was entirely their fault) ... after publicly reaming them here on their forum
They are getting what they deserve now, this news made my day, call me malicious or whatever i wish them nothing but ill will now for how we were treated

They do this to everyone fyi, who doesn't go through the "secret" back door channel here, I noticed from studying the forum and other websites ... make it like it's all your fault, generally ignore you, give you canned responses, and then threaten to make you pay enormous cancellation fees , they are a NIGHTMARE beyond all nightmares and love to hold you hostage, get you by the balls, i will dance on the day they go under, which I feel is hastening ...

karaa

@comcast.net

i have one bit of input

Any company that outsource usd job should get kick in the ass for doing it. I lost jobs to this before last one they made us train our replacements then only 1 month pay. I do like it they did bring the jobs back to usa I feel sorry for customers stuck in this. But remember if you pay for service that outsource overseas your hurt youself in long run.

Thaler
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Re: i have one bit of input

So...would kicking every company's ass somehow teach them anything?

Miataman

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Re: i have one bit of input

said by Thaler:

So...would kicking every company's ass somehow teach them anything?

All things get passed on to the enduser customers, maybe lots of "sticks in the eyes" (proverbial, of course)
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"Not a stick, not a spliff, not even a puff."
.... The Harder They Come, with Jimmy Cliff.

Thaler
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Re: i have one bit of input

Well, that'll teach us, I guess.
Technicholas

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Winterset, IA

overseas

Whenever I call those overseas people I think of Peggy from that discover card commercial "Thank you for calling USA Prime Credit My name Peggy you got problem?" that's what it makes me think of why can't we have USA support?
bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY

Re: overseas

US based support gets paid more than 2 dollars a day. Many American shop based on price. Some companies shift to offshore tech support. Sure, you never get your problem solved but you can pay an Indian for a month in about what an American makes in a day. Take the cheap way and get crummy service. I pay for Dell "Pro" support on all my laptops. its an extra $121 per laptop over 3 years but I talk to "Bubba" in Round Rock Texas install of "Bill from CHEEECAGOO (aka Bangalore)"

cableties
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I'd like to know...

if it was the local employee miffed at work coming back, or the outsourced employee, miffed at work returning to states?

Just makes for interesting reading on how out "sores" ing really is a shortterm gain with a longterm loss.

Funny, I had a call center contact in Indonesia that she called me back the next day to follow up, then asked me permission to email me about how I felt the support was. She then continued to email me, with questions on America, places to visit when there, and if I wanted to meet her (in NYC).... heh... she was really cute (she sent a picture but no way to confirm) and wanted to move here! (Seriously, like Green Card/Visa move here...).

Good english (studied in Ukraine),... guess I was lucky... Thanks Dell!
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ohyaknow

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Re: I'd like to know...

said by cableties:

Funny, I had a call center contact in Indonesia that she called me back the next day to follow up, then asked me permission to email me about how I felt the support was. She then continued to email me, with questions on America, places to visit when there, and if I wanted to meet her (in NYC).... heh... she was really cute (she sent a picture but no way to confirm) and wanted to move here! (Seriously, like Green Card/Visa move here...).

Seriously it's stuff like this that will forever keep me coming back. LOL!

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
whats her email olz

No good deed

@powderresorts.com

No Good Deed Goes Unpunished

So we have a company that has taken steps to right a wrong. Is hiring US based employees again and still gets slammed.

Not one single positive comment. Nothing about the great prices, nothing about being on of the only real alternatives....

I have AT&t and suffer through outsourced department hell only available during the day. Certainly not any better.

NoeValleyJim

@dslextreme.com

Re: No Good Deed Goes Unpunished

No doubt. I am a tech savvy user, have been a sysadmin or manager for websites for 15 years, and I have to say DSL Extreme has given me the best service of any ISP I have used.

Sure they have some downtime, but everyone does. All of the problems I can't solve myself get good support. I have been a customer for 8 years now and am renewing now.

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