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Dish, AMC Settle Long-Standing Feud
Dish Customers to Get AMC Channels Back
by Karl Bode 06:32PM Monday Oct 22 2012
Dish and Cablevision-sibling AMC Networks have finally settled their long-running financial feud with a deal that should result in Dish customers finally getting AMC channels back in their cable lineup. The two companies have been legally battling ever since Dish dropped the Voom HD channel suddenly back in 2008, resulting in then-Cablevision owned Voom filing suit against Dish. The feud bubbled over this year during one of the uglier retransmission fee fights we've seen, resulting in Dish customers losing access to AMC channels. The two sides today announced they've settled their fight, with Dish paying out $700 million to Cablevision and AMC:
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Under the deal, Dish will pay a cash settlement of $700 million to Cablevision and AMC, according to a statement from Cablevision. Some $80 million of that cash settlement would be intended for the purchase of Cablevision's wireless spectrum licenses in 45 cities in the United States. Dish said that covers a population of 150 million in cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco and Philadelphia.
Cablevision had been exploring the option of using the Multichannel Video Data Distribution Service (MVDDS) spectrum for a wireless broadband option. Through a subsidiary they recently started offering a product they called OMGFast, which delivers 50 Mbps downstream for $30 a month in Florida. The spectrum portion of the arrangement seems to suggest Cablevision won't be expanding this idea into additional territories.

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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK

Your Bill will be going up...

Heads, they win.... Tails.... you lose.
big_e

join:2011-03-05

Re: Your Bill will be going up...

700 mil divided by 14 million subscribers is $50.00 per subscriber. Dish network customers are going to have to pay up.
Rob_
Premium
join:2008-07-16
Mary Esther, FL
kudos:1

Re: Your Bill will be going up...

American Movie Commercials suck anyway. If they became a premium channel, not everyone would pay for it, same with ESPN and Disney/wifetime, etc...

-Rob

verizonlteda

@myvzw.com

Re: Your Bill will be going up...

AMC doesn't suck i love that network. just because you think it sucks doesn't mean anything. and espn ? is great if you love sports and a lot of people do.
TuxRaiderPen

join:2009-09-19

Re: Your Bill will be going up...

said by verizonlteda :
AMC doesn't suck i love that network. just because you think it sucks doesn't mean anything. and espn ? is great if you love sports and a lot of people do.
I agree with Rob...

It sucks..

No longer shows real movies, ie: 30-60's

Rubicon cancelled

Commercials

Dish should use the space for something more worth while than this crap.

Big whoop zombies...booooorrrriing...

Mad Men, good, but I can get the DVD sets and watch it a season at a time.

Breaking Bad.. meh... not my thing...

Hell on Wheels - same as Mad Men, good but boxed sets of seasons on BF .. CHEAP..

And espn can be sent to a pay tier any time.....

Not every one gives a hoot about sports.

Dish paid $700M for the spectrum (regardless of how the courts may be splitting the $$$, thats how Dish is looking at it) to add to the the spectrum they already have to either really build an MSS service or sell it to some one who will/try to for even more $$$$$$$$$.

Charlie just send the zombies packing for good! No loss what so ever.
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digiblur
Premium
join:2002-06-03
Louisiana

Re: Your Bill will be going up...

News is kinda late eh?

Dish is just going to sit on the spectrum like they have been doing on their many other licenses.
tkdslr

join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL
Considering that all 214 MVDSS licenses originally where sold(2 FCC auctions, 2004/05) for 137M$ it's not a particularly good deal..
TuxRaiderPen

join:2009-09-19

Re: Your Bill will be going up...

said by tkdslr:
Considering that all 214 MVDSS licenses originally where sold(2 FCC auctions, 2004/05) for 137M$ it's not a particularly good deal..
Depending on who you listen to this spectrum could be worth $$$ for use by cellular providers or wireless broad band.

Some think it worthless 8 years ago, today it could be worth less or more depending on who you want to believe...

Dish is betting on it being needed for either an MSS service or getting a waiver for a terrestrial based service, or a mix of both. MSS in areas they are too cheap to build towers, and terrestrial for more urbanized areas where tower sites exist and you lease space.. Crown Castle...

said by digiblur:
News is kinda late eh?

Dish is just going to sit on the spectrum like they have been doing on their many other licenses.
That may be true too.. but the spectrum could be used for a lot of things.... MSS is primary but it can still be used for MMDS and that could provide Dish with terrestrial back up for some limited offerings... lots of things mesh.. but I think every thinks that Dish is just going to sit on it.. but I doubt that for long. Auctioned spectrum has buildout requirements and there is only so many delaying tactics ie: requesting a waiver for non conforming use ie: terrrestrial v. MSS etc. you can do till the FCC says BUILD OR RELINQUISH.
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jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

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Really? So some of the most popular shows on TV: The Walking Dead, Mad Men, Hell on Wheels, and Breaking bad; many which have been up for Emmy Awards suck? All I can say is that I'm glad to have that channel. Some of the best stuff currently on TV and certainly better than the Networks overall.

skeechan
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Re: Your Bill will be going up...

I like those shows but it amounts to about 40 hours of decent original programming A YEAR (given nearly a third of a programming hour is commercials). The other gazillion hours suck wang.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

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Re: Your Bill will be going up...

I'll agree with you, however, the other networks aren't really any better. FX has American Horror Story... ABC has 1 show ( 666 Park Avenue) that I care about. NBC has Revolution and Grimm that I watch. CBS has NCIS. Fox has Bones and a couple more Fringe episodes left before that series is gone. Maybe some Sunday Shows ( American Dad, et cetera). CW has Arrow and Supernatural ( Maybe Vampire Diaries, but I don't watch that one). TNT has Falling Skies. Syfy doesn't play much sci-fi anymore, they show "wrassling". USA plays White Collar. AMC has 4 shows a year that I'm excited about; the other major networks have at most two shows that I care about watching each year. Fox comes closest to number of shows because of their Sunday night cartoons, but that's not really "quality television". So, TV just kinda sucks. AMC is doing alright if you compare them to the other networks. The big three (NBC, ABC, CBS) have been terrible for a pretty long time and these other networks are stepping up and providing interesting shows. AMC is surely one of the hotter channels these days and it is good that Dish can now offer this to their customers and be competitive ( I know some people who cancelled because of this).

While AMC no longer exclusively plays American Movie Classics, at least they haven't gone the way of MTV ( Music Television), who doesn't seem to play music or videos anymore,
I'm not sure, as that channels is out of my favorites list and doesn't show up anymore...
mogamer

join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI
said by skeechan:

I like those shows but it amounts to about 40 hours of decent original programming A YEAR (given nearly a third of a programming hour is commercials). The other gazillion hours suck wang.

That's still 40 hours more "decent" original programming than networks like Spike, G4, Bravo or Tru TV combined offer. And those 40 hours are more interesting than most shows being shown on TNT or USA.
TuxRaiderPen

join:2009-09-19
said by jjeffeory:
Really? So some of the most popular shows on TV: The Walking Dead, Mad Men, Hell on Wheels, and Breaking bad; many which have been up for Emmy Awards suck? All I can say is that I'm glad to have that channel. Some of the best stuff currently on TV and certainly better than the Networks overall.
Pretty much, yes.

Mad Men, Hell on Wheels = Emmy worthy Although I think Mad Men has passed its prime..still great..

walking dead.. is crap... boroorroooooorrring...zombies what everrrrr....

breaking bad is NOT emmy worthy, its good, but not that good...

Better than the old OTA networks, well that doesn't take much. A SMPTE colobar pattern with 1Khz test tone is better!

This is NOT the BEST STUFF or even SOME OF THE BEST.. Some of the good stuff... yes.. BEST...

Best (limited to non OTA networks) is:

Homeland
Boss
Magic City

Good
Mad Men
Hell on Wheels

top of the garbage heap
walking dead
sons of anarchy

When AMC wants to:

Bring back Rubicon
dump the commercials
Restore REAL MOVIES 30-60's and drop the 70's and later crap

Then we'll talk.
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BlitzenZeus
Burnt Out Cynic
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kudos:3

Re: Your Bill will be going up...

Listen to some of you old fogies...

I agree the commercials during movies, and the censorship is bad, however if you want to watch movies only people in retirement homes watch then watch tcm, a channel most people who are not near retirement age do not watch. I don't watch much of anything on amc anymore due to those reasons, but they allow cursing, even partial nudity in their original series even if I only watch one of those series. When it comes to the movies, somebody else already censored them more than likely so they likely don't have any control of the source, some being so repressed to even censor religious blasphemy, but you have the helicopter parents who blame them for what they show during the day instead of monitoring their own children when they can get far worse on the internet in a few clicks. The kind who can't figure out how to use a v-chip.

They have a thing called ratings, and commercials to pay for the shows they make. If you like Mad Men they you have to realize it takes a ton of money to make that show, and you also have to realize Mad Men is meant for an older audience looking to the older days, however it's just one of their shows.

Welcome to the generation gap, realize when you are no longer the target audience, and move on please. It's not like you're actually watching those shows on mtv are you? I'm not either, but another generation is.

So if they kept the commercials out of the movies, and didn't censor them while only showing commercials during their shows I would be fine with this. They are not a premium network, but I do think they are trying to make too many shows, then when the ratings are not there to support the advertising space they simply get dumped.
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ErikRP

join:2004-11-06
Winnipeg, MB
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AMC used to bill itself as the station for those who love movies. Those of us who love movies have long since moved away from AMC since it introduced commercials, cuts, censoring, etc. At least as far as movies go - which is still the bulk of its programming - it's a shell of what it was. It's every bit as bad as the ABC movie of the week from the 70s and 80s, when you could watch a 90 minute movie in 3 hours. *shudder*

For those who love movies the best channel remains - in my humble opinion - Turner Classic Movies (TCM). Zero commercials with the exception of its own TCM store or related offerings (e.g. TCM cruise). Not one infomercial. Just movies and shorts.

It's how AMC used to be before it gave up being a movie channel and tried to emulate the HBO model.
UnnDunn
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join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY

1 recommendation

Typo...

"Voom", not "Zoom".

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

Meh

Sounds like piracy won this feud.

Sterling
IP Support Tier III
Premium
join:2003-05-30
Pittsburgh, PA

Borrowed time

The fact dish stood to lose 2.4 billion is the reason they choose to settle and pay up, not because they cared about the customers they were slowly bleeding off. They were on borrowed time and they were nearing the end of how long they can delay litigation, I guess they needed a few more years to make sure the rest of the documents were shredded up.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

TV is better

With some notable exceptions TV is better on the otherside of the pond. No Top Gear this season however.

axiomatic

join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX

Re: Borrowed time

Your's is the only accurate and valid reply in this whole forum. Well done. Everyone else in here is trying to apply personal taste to an obvious business decision. There are MANY people watching Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead and Dish could not stand to lose those customers to a competitor without taking a serious stock hit.
xv920

join:2002-08-27
San Jose, CA

Voom channels

This does not bring those Voom channels back, does it? I miss Kung Fu channel...

Disappointed

@lmco.com

Not impressed

Quite frankly, I enjoyed the "fill-in" channels (CineMax and others)much more than any of the AMC offerings.
ski93

join:2005-02-14
Northwood, NH

Re: Not impressed

I agree totally, the fill in channels where good. A couple which were commercial free, I wish they kept AMC off all together...Can't wait till we can order channels alcarte or by channel type...