karpodiemHail to The Victors Premium Member join:2008-05-20 Troy, MI
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karpodiem
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2015-Feb-13 12:37 pm
were there any rulesabout making the spectrum commercially available to x% of people across y% of the total spectrum footprint over z years? | |
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AnonDude
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2015-Feb-13 1:52 pm
Re: were there any rulesYes 40% within 6 years and 70% within 12 years. | |
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downsouth
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2015-Feb-13 1:19 pm
Wow!Couldn't this be considered illegal under collusion laws? | |
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Re: Wow!The only rational reason why they would do this is to increase the cost per POP so that their current dormant holdings are now worth more and make the big guys take on more LTD So this would be a selloff play. Look at Verizon selling off to finance this.
Wait until the next auction if you think this one was pricy...
As to "small businesses" leasing federal spectrum, the days of mom and pop owning is over. If they want the spectrum used (if they really care) they would be more strict on the licenses.
I read a whitepaper on bidding strategies on previous auctions. What we consider "bidding against each other" are actual strategies. These guys employ a number of quants to work on these bidding strategies. So these are purely run by bean counters and mathematicians. | |
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AnonDude
Anon
2015-Feb-13 1:55 pm
Re: Wow!said by elefante72:Wait until the next auction if you think this one was pricy... Doubtful Dish will participate in this next one and hopefully the FCC has some anti-collusion rules in place. Also how active is at&t going to be? They just spent $18 bil not to mention the $4 bil to buy the Mexican companies and the $45 bil DirecTv deal. | |
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Re: Wow!the DirecTV deal has not been approved, thus, its not credit spent. | |
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AnonDude to downsouth
Anon
2015-Feb-13 1:53 pm
to downsouth
Just remember the increased cost of obtaining this spectrum will ultimately be paid for by teh customers of the companies that were force to overpay. | |
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soWell, if they did cheat, then they should still pay the money but not get the spectrum.. Gotta go hard on the cheaters, not just give em love taps and let em live to do it again. | |
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Re: soWell my friend, if the FCC decided to implement the strategy you just put forward, the US government would be on the hook for both damages and legal fees when they ultimately lose in court. | |
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KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
Kearnstd
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2015-Feb-13 2:19 pm
The license should be revokedAnd they should not get their money back. They cheated the system, And they should be forced to pay some kind of penalty and that only seems fair that they should now get no spectrum and lose their 13 billion as a fine. | |
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Re: The license should be revokedSpecifically, what law did Dish break? | |
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Kearnstd
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2015-Feb-13 4:02 pm
Re: The license should be revokedSo its not dishonest and unethical to game the system to cheat the competition? And there should be no penalties for that? | |
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Re: The license should be revokedsaid by Kearnstd:So its not dishonest and unethical to game the system to cheat the competition? And there should be no penalties for that? its smart business. make the other people pay more for what they are getting. you can see this simple strategy on storage wars. they bid on lockers not because they want it but they want the other guy to pay more. this way they can get others cheaper hopefully down the line. | |
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said by Kearnstd:And they should not get their money back. If you really think any money changed hands here, you would be insane. Its not like Dish set that money to the treasury, since the US economy does not even have that much actual cash around. This was paid with an "IOU" and credit. | |
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Not CollusionIf the companies didn't bid against each other competitively, then it would be considered collusion. Now, if as one poster mentioned that they did this intentionally to drive up the cost of their existing spectrum, then it would be collusion. | |
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AnonDude
Anon
2015-Feb-13 5:03 pm
Re: Not Collusionsaid by sides14:If the companies didn't bid against each other competitively, then it would be considered collusion. Now, if as one poster mentioned that they did this intentionally to drive up the cost of their existing spectrum, then it would be collusion. Listen Dish had multiple companies bidding they were allowed by the FCC to communicate to each other and let each other know when they were bidding. Thus one Dish company knew when a bid from another Dish company was and they still bid up spectrum. if the first company has the wining bid and the 2nd knows it why would it bid again? | |
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said by sides14:If the companies didn't bid against each other competitively, then it would be considered collusion. Now, if as one poster mentioned that they did this intentionally to drive up the cost of their existing spectrum, then it would be collusion. | |
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jgkolt Premium Member join:2004-02-21 Avon, OH |
jgkolt
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2015-Feb-13 3:56 pm
Dish and T-MobileI wonder what the disk and tmobile spectrum map of the US would look like. | |
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We need eBay to run these auctionsIf eBay ran these government auctions I don't think things like this would happen. eBay takes a harsh stance against shill bidding, and they take the business of auctioneering seriously. | |
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Re: We need eBay to run these auctionsLOL really ??? | |
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You made me LOL as well, since when has eBay taken any stance against shill bidders? here's a clue, they don't | |
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Flyonthewall
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2015-Feb-16 4:00 pm
Bidding should be disallowedIf you don't plan on using it, and using your clones to force price increases to prevent purchase by parties with smaller wallets should be considered illegal, or at the least bad faith. I'm sure the government won't care as they still get paid, but if I was at an auction and knew that four separate people were in fact working for one guy I'd want to slap someone silly. It should be considered a form of price fixing doing that, especially if it can be proven that the other parties involved were not actually going to buy and were there solely to drive the price up. Dirty dirty dirty. | |
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Corporations are allowed to cheat, kids notIt's OK for the Patriots and Dish to cheat but heaven forbid the adults of a Little League team bend the rules and the kids get disqualified. | |
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