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 |  sansri88digital is herePremium
join:2005-12-17
New York, NY
kudos:1 | Re: millions of yankee fans.... YES! If they had that channel I would have switched ages ago. | |
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| | | | Re: millions of yankee fans.... But you can watch them lose on Dish tonight! They will be carried on WWOR. | |
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | hello Comcast I wonder if Comcast will notice?? They still dont provide PIP on there boxes. MPEG might be too advanced for them to notice | |
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|  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 | Re: hello Comcast said by DaveDude:I wonder if Comcast will notice?? They still dont provide PIP on there boxes. MPEG might be too advanced for them to notice You mean MPEG4. All Comcast boxes use MPEG2. | |
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| |  ScreeIn the pipe 5 by 5
join:2001-04-24
Mount Laurel, NJ | Re: hello Comcast Looks more like MPEG1 a lot of the time. lol | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: hello Comcast Nothing like looking at cinderblocks oops I ment raindrops falling.  | |
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join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
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1 edit |  Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales
New customers in 21 designated markets* in the eastern half of the U.S. who sign up for any DISH Network(R) HD package And you must have one of their new MPEG4 HD boxes. So if you have an old HD box, you are out of luck.
List of 21 locales:
Cleveland; Richmond, Va.; Baltimore.; Columbia, S.C.; Tampa,
Fla; Green Bay, Wis.; Greensboro, N.C.; Providence, R.I.; Greenville,
S.C., Knoxville, Tenn.; Raleigh, N.C.; Chicago; Detroit; Charlotte,
N.C.; Dallas; Nashville, Tenn.; Minneapolis, Minn.; Philadelphia.;
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|  HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales Why would a new customer have one of their old boxes to begin with ? | |
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join:2002-03-03
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2 edits | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales said by Hall:Why would a new customer have one of their old boxes to begin with ? They wouldn't. So if you are an existing customer, you will have to upgrade your STBs to take advantage of this new higher quality DISH experience. And you can bet that DISH will be pushing upgrades sooner or later for existing customers after the initial rollout to new customers is well underway.
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| | | HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales I'm an existing Dish customer with an MPEG4-capable box today and there is NOTHING "new" that I am missing out on at this point.
Also, word is, when Dish does eventually go all MPEG4, they will replace customer's equipment for free. | |
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join:2003-09-10
Kennesaw, GA | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales said by Hall:Also, word is, when Dish does eventually go all MPEG4, they will replace customer's equipment for free. I had an 811 HD receiver and they sent me a VIP211 (leased) for no additional charge. I was not happy that I have to pay the $7/month for an additional leased receiver but I did not have to pay for the equipment otherwise. | |
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5 | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales It's been a while since I had Dish, but do the "lease fee" and the "additional outlet fee" cancel out each outher? It use to be you were charged one or the other, but not both. | |
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join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales The lease fee is for the second receiver. The additional outlet fee is also for each additional receiver (a piece of crock if you ask me) but you can avoid that charge by connecting your receivers to either a phone jack or broadband connection. | |
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| said by Hall:... Also, word is, when Dish does eventually go all MPEG4, they will replace customer's equipment for free. admittedly, this was several months ago (over a year?), but I switched from DISH to comcast when:
a) they refused to waive the $300 "fee" for the privilege of renting an HD-DVR
b) they insisted I would have to purchase a new HD rcvr with MPEG4 capability to get any new HD content
maybe they finally saw that requiring a customer to spend several hundred dollars on a rcvr to get their HD programming was a little bit of a turnoff for some customers. | |
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales I'm very aware of what you're talking about... I was with Dish many years ago when their only HD-DVR option was $1000 ! I left them back then too. I'm not sure what their reasoning was, but I believe it was more along the lines of the total cost to build their hardware. Years ago, they couldn't afford to give the hardware away or even discount it and re-coup the costs. As time goes, the hardware price drops and they can re-coup the cost in a reasonable time frame. I still paid $150 "for the privilege" of leasing the 622 I currently have. I can get a 2nd one for $75 or a 722 for maybe $100 today. New customers, who do always get the best deals, can get those for free. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales Be glad you didn't buy that $1000 921, it wouldn't work for HD starting this month and dish would give you $10 credit for it. | |
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| | | JSYPremium
join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY | The way I understand it - the existing customer who doesn't already have MPEG4 compatible boxes will also need to repoint their dish to the Eastern Arc satellites that house the all-MPEG4 lineup. | |
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| | | | HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales Existing customers aren't (currently) eligible for Eastern Arc. For the foreseeable future, existing customers gain *nothing* by switching to Eastern Arc, therefore Dish won't do it for free. If a customer wants to, they have to replace any MPEG2 receiver(s) on their own dime, buy the req'd dish and LNB, and either re-point themselves or pay an installer to do it. | |
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| | | | | JSYPremium
join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY | Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 locales That's right - I heard that too - about Dish not doing anything to the existing customer since it's no gain. I upgraded to the HD package about a month ago, so they replaced my old MPEG2 receivers with new ViP722s so at least I have the receivers ready, but won't be doing anything more until Dish deems it necessary and does it for free.  | |
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| | | | | Existing mpeg4 HD customers wanting to use the all mpeg4 system that dish calls Eastern Arc only needs a new dish pointed at the new satellites and a new smart card. Dish is starting a card swap so all customers will eventually have the needed smart card. | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | To be fair, most of the HD receivers are lease receivers. Which means if your 1 year lease was up, you should be able to return the boxen and lease the new MPEG4 boxen. | |
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Burrens
join:2006-01-17
Los Angeles, CA | What about U-Verse Hasn't U-Verse been doing MPEG-4 since its inception? | |
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|  djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Re: What about U-Verse Sure is! Whoops. | |
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|  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by Burrens:Hasn't U-Verse been doing MPEG-4 since its inception? Yes, although I believe they are using a Microsoft version of it. Why?
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: What about U-Verse said by djrobx:I think they were talking about using VC-1 pre-launch, but seem to have gone with the standard. I didn't now they switched back from the VC-1 codec. Good find. (Thanks for reminding me of the name of the MS codec too)
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| | HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Since AT&T U-Verse has been doing it all along, Dish is hardly the "first" to offer this... | |
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| | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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1 edit | Re: What about U-Verse said by Hall: Since AT&T U-Verse has been doing it all along, Dish is hardly the "first" to offer this... I think the distinction is ALL standard definition and high definition channels. Doesn't U-Verse transmit standard def channels using a different codec?
Looks like they just vary the bitrate.
I've had a DirecTV MPEG4 box for over a year now also, but they don't broadcast everything in MPEG4.
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| | | | | | Re: What about U-Verse they only have have 7-10 MPEG2 HD left and they are going away soon. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: What about U-Verse said by Joe12345678:they only have have 7-10 MPEG2 HD left and they are going away soon. Uverse is all MPEG-4 for live TV. | |
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| | | | HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Dish has been offering an MPEG4-capable box for a couple of years now. The ViP622 was their first.
Also, anyone with an older MPEG2-only HD box with Dish hasn't gotten many, if any, new HD channels in a LONG time. I believe that all of the new ones they've added are MPEG4-only (though initially many were MPEG2 in an MPEG4 "container"). | |
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join:2007-12-25
Lake Worth, FL | MPEG 4 Who cares what they use. I don't care what system these companies use.
ALL I WANT IS MORE HD! ALL THE HD CHANNELS AVAILABLE! AND IN GOOD QUALITY. | |
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| | MPEG-2 > MPEG-4 Nothing to "toot their own horn" about. MPEG-2 is superior to MPEG-4. The only reason DISH Network and DirecTV want to use MPEG-4 is so they can compress their signals even more, and we can be subjected to even more pixelation.
Both DISH Network and DirecTV should have limited MPEG-4 to HD Local channels that don't really matter. Premium channel providers like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc. should be complaining that the signal that the end user is getting is subpar. | |
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1 edit | What's Really HD? Directv says they offer 95 HD Channels that's counting all the PPV+Premium Channels.
Verizon claims that they're now offering 100 Channels in the NY/NJ Area. I just counted the channels available in my area including premiums but excluding PPV and they aren't lying... It's 100.
Can it be that Verizon beat DirecTV at their own HD Game?
502 CBS — WCBS HD
504 NBC — WNBC HD
505 FOX — WNYW HD
507 ABC — WABC HD
509 My WWOR HD
511 CW — WPIX HD
513 PBS — WNET HD
550 USA HD
551 TNT HD
552 TBS HD
553 FX HD
567 Universal HD
568 Superstation — WGN HD
569 HD Net
570 ESPN HD
572 ESPNews HD
574 ESPN2 HD
576 YES HD
577 SportsNet New York HD
583 Speed Channel HD
585 Big Ten Network HD
588 NFL Network HD
590 VERSUS/Golf HD
591 Outdoor Channel 2 HD
597 World Fishing Network HD
598 MavTV HD
600 CNN HD
602 CNBC HD+
617 Fox Business Network HD
618 Fox News HD
619 The Weather Channel HD
620 Discovery Channel HD
621 National Geographic
622 Science Channel HD
625 Smithsonian Channel HD
628 History Channel HD
629 Bio HD
630 Animal Planet HD
631 HD Theater
639 TLC HD
640 Lifetime HD
641 Lifetime Movie Network HD
650 QVC HD
664 Food Network HD
665 HGTV HD
668 Planet Green HD
669 Wealth TV HD
670 Travel Channel HD
680 Sci-Fi Channel HD
681 A&E HD
685 Bravo HD
699 ABC Family HD
711 MHD
740 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
744 MGM Channel HD
746 HD Net
750 Disney Channel HD
751 Toon Disney HD
840 Starz HD
842 Starz Edge HD
845 Starz Kids & Family HD
847 Starz Comedy HD
865 Showtime HD
866 Showtime West HD
867 Showtime Showcase HD
868 Showtime Showcase West HD
869 Showtime 2 HD
870 Showtime 2 West HD
873 Showtime Extreme HD
874 Showtime Extreme West HD
885 The Movie Channel HD
886 The Movie Channel West HD
887 The Movie Channel Xtra HD
888 The Movie Channel Xtra West HD
899 HBO HD
901 HBO West HD
902 HBO 2 HD
903 HBO 2 West HD
904 HBO Signature HD
905 HBO Signature West HD
906 HBO Family HD
907 HBO Family West HD
908 HBO Comedy HD
909 HBO Comedy West HD
910 HBO Zone HD
911 HBO Zone West HD
912 HBO Latino HD
913 HBO Latino West HD
920 Cinemax HD
921 Cinemax West HD
922 More Max HD
923 More Max West HD
924 Action Max HD
925 Action Max West HD
926 Thriller Max HD
927 Thriller Max West HD
928 WMAX HD
929 At Max HD
930 Five Star Max HD
931 OuterMax HD | |
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| JSYPremium
join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY | Re: What's Really HD? I don't have Directv nor FiOS, but Directv has said that they will get to 150 HD channels by the end of the year and I think DishNetwork has said up to 130 by the end of the year. I don't think FiOS has ever claimed that they would have more than satellite, have they? I thought their ads were more geared against cable. | |
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| eric87m
join:2003-12-07
Princeton, NJ | Of course they are because Verizon's channels aren't compressed to hell. | |
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| | JSYPremium
join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY | Re: What's Really HD? What does that post have to do with the point? Someone talked number of channels and that's what it was.
Why the hell do people who have X provider get so defensive when someone makes any critique on it? That always makes me feel that the person isn't sure they made the right choice and needs to vindicate him/herself by making comments like that. | |
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