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millions of yankee fans....Yea, they want an edge ?..... get the damn YES channel in NY already. | |
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sansri88
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2008-Aug-26 10:54 am
Re: millions of yankee fans....YES! If they had that channel I would have switched ages ago. | |
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Cubmaniac
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2008-Aug-26 1:42 pm
Re: millions of yankee fans....But you can watch them lose on Dish tonight! They will be carried on WWOR. | |
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hello ComcastI wonder if Comcast will notice?? They still dont provide PIP on there boxes. MPEG might be too advanced for them to notice | |
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FFH5
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2008-Aug-26 10:30 am
Re: hello Comcastsaid by DaveDude:I wonder if Comcast will notice?? They still dont provide PIP on there boxes. MPEG might be too advanced for them to notice You mean MPEG4. All Comcast boxes use MPEG2. | |
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Scree
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2008-Aug-26 2:28 pm
Re: hello ComcastLooks more like MPEG1 a lot of the time. lol | |
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Re: hello ComcastNothing like looking at cinderblocks oops I ment raindrops falling. | |
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FFH5
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2008-Aug-26 10:29 am
Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesNew customers in 21 designated markets* in the eastern half of the U.S. who sign up for any DISH Network(R) HD package And you must have one of their new MPEG4 HD boxes. So if you have an old HD box, you are out of luck. List of 21 locales: Cleveland; Richmond, Va.; Baltimore.; Columbia, S.C.; Tampa, Fla; Green Bay, Wis.; Greensboro, N.C.; Providence, R.I.; Greenville, S.C., Knoxville, Tenn.; Raleigh, N.C.; Chicago; Detroit; Charlotte, N.C.; Dallas; Nashville, Tenn.; Minneapolis, Minn.; Philadelphia.; Washington, D.C.; New York, N.Y.; and Hartford, Conn. | |
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Hall
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2008-Aug-26 10:53 am
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesWhy would a new customer have one of their old boxes to begin with ? | |
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FFH5
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2008-Aug-26 11:00 am
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localessaid by Hall:Why would a new customer have one of their old boxes to begin with ? They wouldn't. So if you are an existing customer, you will have to upgrade your STBs to take advantage of this new higher quality DISH experience. And you can bet that DISH will be pushing upgrades sooner or later for existing customers after the initial rollout to new customers is well underway. | |
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Hall
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2008-Aug-26 12:04 pm
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesI'm an existing Dish customer with an MPEG4-capable box today and there is NOTHING "new" that I am missing out on at this point.
Also, word is, when Dish does eventually go all MPEG4, they will replace customer's equipment for free. | |
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2008-Aug-26 12:13 pm
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localessaid by Hall:Also, word is, when Dish does eventually go all MPEG4, they will replace customer's equipment for free. I had an 811 HD receiver and they sent me a VIP211 (leased) for no additional charge. I was not happy that I have to pay the $7/month for an additional leased receiver but I did not have to pay for the equipment otherwise. | |
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cdru
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2008-Aug-26 3:35 pm
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesIt's been a while since I had Dish, but do the "lease fee" and the "additional outlet fee" cancel out each outher? It use to be you were charged one or the other, but not both. | |
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JSY
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2008-Aug-26 6:44 pm
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesThe lease fee is for the second receiver. The additional outlet fee is also for each additional receiver (a piece of crock if you ask me) but you can avoid that charge by connecting your receivers to either a phone jack or broadband connection. | |
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said by Hall:... Also, word is, when Dish does eventually go all MPEG4, they will replace customer's equipment for free. admittedly, this was several months ago (over a year?), but I switched from DISH to comcast when: a) they refused to waive the $300 "fee" for the privilege of renting an HD-DVR b) they insisted I would have to purchase a new HD rcvr with MPEG4 capability to get any new HD content maybe they finally saw that requiring a customer to spend several hundred dollars on a rcvr to get their HD programming was a little bit of a turnoff for some customers. | |
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Hall
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2008-Aug-26 12:57 pm
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesI'm very aware of what you're talking about... I was with Dish many years ago when their only HD-DVR option was $1000 ! I left them back then too. I'm not sure what their reasoning was, but I believe it was more along the lines of the total cost to build their hardware. Years ago, they couldn't afford to give the hardware away or even discount it and re-coup the costs. As time goes, the hardware price drops and they can re-coup the cost in a reasonable time frame. I still paid $150 "for the privilege" of leasing the 622 I currently have. I can get a 2nd one for $75 or a 722 for maybe $100 today. New customers, who do always get the best deals, can get those for free. | |
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jofaz
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2008-Aug-27 2:41 am
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesBe glad you didn't buy that $1000 921, it wouldn't work for HD starting this month and dish would give you $10 credit for it. | |
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JSY to FFH5
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2008-Aug-26 2:31 pm
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The way I understand it - the existing customer who doesn't already have MPEG4 compatible boxes will also need to repoint their dish to the Eastern Arc satellites that house the all-MPEG4 lineup. | |
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Hall
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2008-Aug-26 5:57 pm
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesExisting customers aren't (currently) eligible for Eastern Arc. For the foreseeable future, existing customers gain *nothing* by switching to Eastern Arc, therefore Dish won't do it for free. If a customer wants to, they have to replace any MPEG2 receiver(s) on their own dime, buy the req'd dish and LNB, and either re-point themselves or pay an installer to do it. | |
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JSY
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2008-Aug-26 6:37 pm
Re: Must sign up for the HD pkg in these 21 localesThat's right - I heard that too - about Dish not doing anything to the existing customer since it's no gain. I upgraded to the HD package about a month ago, so they replaced my old MPEG2 receivers with new ViP722s so at least I have the receivers ready, but won't be doing anything more until Dish deems it necessary and does it for free. | |
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2008-Aug-27 2:39 am
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Existing mpeg4 HD customers wanting to use the all mpeg4 system that dish calls Eastern Arc only needs a new dish pointed at the new satellites and a new smart card. Dish is starting a card swap so all customers will eventually have the needed smart card. | |
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2008-Aug-27 12:39 am
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To be fair, most of the HD receivers are lease receivers. Which means if your 1 year lease was up, you should be able to return the boxen and lease the new MPEG4 boxen. | |
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What about U-VerseHasn't U-Verse been doing MPEG-4 since its inception? | |
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djrobx
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2008-Aug-26 10:41 am
Re: What about U-VerseSure is! Whoops. | |
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said by Burrens0:Hasn't U-Verse been doing MPEG-4 since its inception? Yes, although I believe they are using a Microsoft version of it. Why? | |
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djrobx
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2008-Aug-26 10:52 am
Re: What about U-VerseAccording to Wikipedia and most rumblings on the U-verse forums, they are using H.264. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-verse"U-verse uses H.264 (MPEG-4 AVC) encoding which compresses video more efficiently than the traditional MPEG-2."I think they were talking about using VC-1 pre-launch, but seem to have gone with the standard. | |
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Matt3
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2008-Aug-26 10:55 am
Re: What about U-Versesaid by djrobx:I think they were talking about using VC-1 pre-launch, but seem to have gone with the standard. I didn't now they switched back from the VC-1 codec. Good find. (Thanks for reminding me of the name of the MS codec too) | |
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IIRC they use VC-1 for VOD. Can't remember where I heard it. | |
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Since AT&T U-Verse has been doing it all along, Dish is hardly the "first" to offer this... | |
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Matt3
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2008-Aug-26 11:01 am
Re: What about U-Versesaid by Hall: Since AT&T U-Verse has been doing it all along, Dish is hardly the "first" to offer this... I think the distinction is ALL standard definition and high definition channels. Doesn't U-Verse transmit standard def channels using a different codec?Looks like they just vary the bitrate. I've had a DirecTV MPEG4 box for over a year now also, but they don't broadcast everything in MPEG4. | |
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Re: What about U-Versethey only have have 7-10 MPEG2 HD left and they are going away soon. | |
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2008-Aug-26 12:55 pm
Re: What about U-Versesaid by Joe12345678:they only have have 7-10 MPEG2 HD left and they are going away soon. Uverse is all MPEG-4 for live TV. | |
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Dish has been offering an MPEG4-capable box for a couple of years now. The ViP622 was their first.
Also, anyone with an older MPEG2-only HD box with Dish hasn't gotten many, if any, new HD channels in a LONG time. I believe that all of the new ones they've added are MPEG4-only (though initially many were MPEG2 in an MPEG4 "container"). | |
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MPEG 4Who cares what they use. I don't care what system these companies use. ALL I WANT IS MORE HD! ALL THE HD CHANNELS AVAILABLE! AND IN GOOD QUALITY. | |
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MPEG-2 > MPEG-4Nothing to "toot their own horn" about. MPEG-2 is superior to MPEG-4. The only reason DISH Network and DirecTV want to use MPEG-4 is so they can compress their signals even more, and we can be subjected to even more pixelation.
Both DISH Network and DirecTV should have limited MPEG-4 to HD Local channels that don't really matter. Premium channel providers like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc. should be complaining that the signal that the end user is getting is subpar. | |
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What's Really HD?Directv says they offer 95 HD Channels that's counting all the PPV+Premium Channels.
Verizon claims that they're now offering 100 Channels in the NY/NJ Area. I just counted the channels available in my area including premiums but excluding PPV and they aren't lying... It's 100.
Can it be that Verizon beat DirecTV at their own HD Game?
502 CBS WCBS HD 504 NBC WNBC HD 505 FOX WNYW HD 507 ABC WABC HD 509 My WWOR HD 511 CW WPIX HD 513 PBS WNET HD 550 USA HD 551 TNT HD 552 TBS HD 553 FX HD 567 Universal HD 568 Superstation WGN HD 569 HD Net 570 ESPN HD 572 ESPNews HD 574 ESPN2 HD 576 YES HD 577 SportsNet New York HD 583 Speed Channel HD 585 Big Ten Network HD 588 NFL Network HD 590 VERSUS/Golf HD 591 Outdoor Channel 2 HD 597 World Fishing Network HD 598 MavTV HD 600 CNN HD 602 CNBC HD+ 617 Fox Business Network HD 618 Fox News HD 619 The Weather Channel HD 620 Discovery Channel HD 621 National Geographic 622 Science Channel HD 625 Smithsonian Channel HD 628 History Channel HD 629 Bio HD 630 Animal Planet HD 631 HD Theater 639 TLC HD 640 Lifetime HD 641 Lifetime Movie Network HD 650 QVC HD 664 Food Network HD 665 HGTV HD 668 Planet Green HD 669 Wealth TV HD 670 Travel Channel HD 680 Sci-Fi Channel HD 681 A&E HD 685 Bravo HD 699 ABC Family HD 711 MHD 740 Hallmark Movie Channel HD 744 MGM Channel HD 746 HD Net 750 Disney Channel HD 751 Toon Disney HD 840 Starz HD 842 Starz Edge HD 845 Starz Kids & Family HD 847 Starz Comedy HD 865 Showtime HD 866 Showtime West HD 867 Showtime Showcase HD 868 Showtime Showcase West HD 869 Showtime 2 HD 870 Showtime 2 West HD 873 Showtime Extreme HD 874 Showtime Extreme West HD 885 The Movie Channel HD 886 The Movie Channel West HD 887 The Movie Channel Xtra HD 888 The Movie Channel Xtra West HD 899 HBO HD 901 HBO West HD 902 HBO 2 HD 903 HBO 2 West HD 904 HBO Signature HD 905 HBO Signature West HD 906 HBO Family HD 907 HBO Family West HD 908 HBO Comedy HD 909 HBO Comedy West HD 910 HBO Zone HD 911 HBO Zone West HD 912 HBO Latino HD 913 HBO Latino West HD 920 Cinemax HD 921 Cinemax West HD 922 More Max HD 923 More Max West HD 924 Action Max HD 925 Action Max West HD 926 Thriller Max HD 927 Thriller Max West HD 928 WMAX HD 929 At Max HD 930 Five Star Max HD 931 OuterMax HD | |
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