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Dish Internet TV to Target Cord Cutters and 'Cord Haters'
by Karl Bode 11:09AM Wednesday Jul 09 2014
Dish has long been working on a live broadband TV service, and Dish boss Charlie Ergen recently stated that the company should launch the service before the end of the year. Rough estimates suggest the service should cost somewhere between $20 to $30, and the company recently proclaimed the service will have a specific focus on all variety of cord cutters:
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Dish wants to make inroads with people who are fed up with traditional pay TV with its upcoming internet-based TV service, said the company’s GM of Interactive and Advanced TV Adam Lowy at the TV of Tomorrow Show in San Francisco Wednesday. “Cord cutters, cord nevers and what we call cord haters” will be the target audience of the new service, said Lowy.
Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first.

Dish already had to neuter some of the ad-skipping functionality in their Hopper DVR in order to get ABC to sign off on licensing for Dish's upcoming Internet video effort. Other broadcasters are expected to make similar demands of Dish, CBS recently stating Dish should expect even more significant demands if they want licensing rights.

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tshirt
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Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

...between that Dish's margin and most peoples overages, cable isn't going to be all that expensive.
elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY

Re: Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

Its not cord haters. The cord is superior.

Its pay for everything, with limited choice, when I say, and 35% of your time will be consumed by watching irrelevant ads, and you get to pay $$ for all of that.

So if dish cant erase:

1. Pay for everything
2. Limited choice (CBS holding back)
3. Some whacky windows
4. Forced irrelevant commercials
5. The "cord hater" internet cap or overage

Then they don't move the needle. Sorry, move on.

dvd536
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$30 sounds like basic. you won't get all the channels you're currently paying $85/mo for.
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Re: Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

More like you won't get any of the channels you're currently paying $85 for.

Dish will be offering Redbox-quality third-rate sound-alike channels in this package, just as Dish and Directv did with their "Family" packages years ago.

The content industry has no need to coalesce and allow their premium fare to be discounted or sold a la carte, or their 2nd-tier junk to be discarded in the process.

kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

Wait, since when cable companies are needed for the content industries?
If Charlie Ergen can tell them: "look, I will pay close to what you get from those shiteating cable parasites within a year or two but without arguing about hikes every year because I don't have to maintain any sophisticated delivery system sans making sure I have enough servers in my CDN" I don't see how the content providers could legally deny his request without painting a crosshair on their back for a federal investigation...

Not to mention that if they refuse then the content industry just really needs to eat a bowl of dick and fuckin die quickly because along with a million others I ain't going back to that PoS, overpriced fuckin junk TWC service, for sure.
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Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.


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Re: Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

said by kamm:

"look, I will pay close to what you get from those shiteating cable parasites...

except it isn't in the content industry' s own self interest to let one distribution channel kill the other Much better to have 2 or 3 methods developed to create bidding wars.

kamm

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Brooklyn, NY

Re: Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

Except that's what I described, with giving online access via Dish... are you following me?

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Re: Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

but DISH doesn't own the online path, only the satellite one.
more the content provider don't want ERGEN as sole gate keeper any more then they want the cablecos as the sole path.
ERGEN would have a better service if they used a wired provider ONLY for the control channel (very little bandwidth and better latency) and the sat, as a streamer channels 500+ true HD channels with near instant response.
plus order a show 15 minutes ahead and it would be on your STB when you are ready to watch.

kamm

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Brooklyn, NY
That's fine. If HBO won't open GO then we can keep using shared accounts, no problem and pay only $30 for Dish for an MSNBC-AJ-BBC package.

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Re: Granted, Dish needs to actually get licensing agreements first

said by kamm:

That's fine. If HBO won't open GO then we can keep using shared accounts, no problem and pay only $30 for Dish for an MSNBC-AJ-BBC package.

And that's why the content industry is so over cautious about IP distribution, because early adopters such as yourself have shown the desire and ability to cheat on the deal, both cable and dish are pretty secure headend to endpoint distribution systems. Your own actions are showing them IP distribution doesn't adequately protect their product value.
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devolved

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Why should they open GO to everyone, including non-subscribers? Unlike most networks, HBO doesn't make any money on advertising, so it's reliant on cable/satellite operators and their customers for the bulk of its revenue, and it's the customer base of HBO that creates such popular shows as "Game Of Thrones". And all of this capital expenditure is front-loaded %u2014 you can't air an episode, wait to see if it's popular, and then decide to make another one for the next week. You need to make an entire season or half-season of a show in advance. Unlike networks, HBO doesn't shop around for new shows in the off season, they create their own. This is why you see the proliferation of reality based TV on the networks, because it's relatively cheap to make.

Stealing cable is one thing, wanting something for nothing is just as bad.
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Kuro

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Close but no cigar

Depending on price this is close to what I would want and imagine what the future of TV will be. Now if they could get rid of commercials as a whole we'd be talking.
Mr Guy

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Re: Close but no cigar

said by Kuro :

Depending on price this is close to what I would want and imagine what the future of TV will be. Now if they could get rid of commercials as a whole we'd be talking.

You miss the point of TV shows. You do realize commercials were not invented as away to make money off TV shows. Tv shows were invented as away to sell stuff to people via commercials.
devolved

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Getting rid of commercials won't improve the quality of programming. Quite the opposite. There are enough reality TV and talent competitions on TV (that are inexpensive to produce) to keep me from not watching the networks.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

So Sorry...

But I prefer to invest my money rather than pay for channels and crap I will never watch. And I am not some teeny bopper but in my fifties and just fed up with what passes for "entertainment" these days. I had broadcast basic cable and dropped that back in January so now I have Netflix and OTA. That's it. I do not care what Dish is offering but I'll be damned if I am going to pony up $30+ (increasing every six months) for something I will not watch.
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brianiscool

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Cord Cutters

I notice cable providers are increasing their price on the internet.
Where you are paying twice as much. As they lose more customers
they will continue to increase the costs to cover for their losses.

Kuro

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Re: Cord Cutters

I've noticed that when I moved and found Comcast offering TV/Internet bundles being $10-30 higher than internet alone. Seems like a way to bloat cable subscriber numbers.
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Re: Cord Cutters

That beats the usual practice of charging more for internet alone than a TV/internet bundle.
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kamm

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Re: Cord Cutters

Never seen anything like that, it definitely sounds like utter BS.
Albert71292

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West Monroe, LA
I'm glad my internet service provider doesn't offer TV at all. My price for internet has been the same nearly 4 years now.
brianiscool

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When cable came out. I could get 10Mbs/down 56k /up for $50

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That's very true. All ISP are increasing internet pricing, directly or indirectly, because that's just the only thing you cannot readily drop. With 35+ channels OTA, unlimited cell phone plan and VOIP home phone service which cost me only a few bucks there is nothing anyone can lure me with, unless they provide a la carte channels with no minimum and $ 1.- per month per channel.
devolved

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Mine raised rates across the board, from modem lease fees, DVR rental fees, to service call fees.

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why bother with 10%?

while cord cutters may be a vocal group, they represent under 10% of potential coax|dish subscribers. cord cutters are also proponents of pay as you go or ala carte, something dish is not setup to handle. if dish thinks all cord cutters want are fewer commercials and lower prices, then they really don't understand cord cutters at all.

Kuro

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Re: why bother with 10%?

Got to nip it in the bud before it becomes more common place. If they do this now they might last longer than others. Yes I agree ala carte and commercials are something cable would need to address before moving forward with this or anything like this but they can snag a few people and maybe set the base for what other companies should do.
elray

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It is far far less than 10%.

kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

Re: why bother with 10%?

Hahaha, you resident astroturfers of the parasites are so funny - it's actually FAR FAR MORE than 10% when you look at numbers over the course of several years.
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The % is debatable, but going with your 10% that's a huge amount for any company if they're first to market. All the infrastructure they have to provide will be centralized at data centers with other companies providing the internet pipe. It's ideal for satellite companies, plus figure they suddenly have access to people nationwide that had limited choices for various reasons (HOA agreements, no dish placement access, etc).

I expect it'll catch on eventually, we just need some content providers to prove they can make more money using that model for it to get momentum. The model will never be perfect, but they can make it better.
devolved

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Actually they are set up to handle ala care, the program providers are against the ala carte system. Good luck getting Congress to go along with it, the broadcast lobby is the biggest lobby in Washington.

CEO Ergen would love to give customers what they want, but he's not allowed to do what he wants because of contracts with content providers.

kamm

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Brooklyn, NY

Re: why bother with 10%?

said by devolved:

Good luck getting Congress to go along with it, the broadcast lobby is the biggest lobby in Washington.

Huh?
The biggest lobbies in DC are the gun lobby, the financial lobby, the tech lobby, the Pro-Israel lobby, the mining and the oil lobby, the defense industry lobby and the agro/corn/farmer-subsidy lobby.
Broadcast or even Hollywood is not even among the first 10 - their only luck is that brainless VPOTUS Biden is effectively the sock puppet of the MPAA for many years now, repeating publicly even the dumbest fake arguments without any hesitation that his handlers feed him.
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Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.


RWSI

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Convince me

Convince me why I should rejoin Dish and the services they provide? I cut the cord because of the large amount of advertising on the networks. Paid TV gave some sort of "Attention Deficit Disorder" wearing out the buttons constantly. The Internet gives me more choice, anytime media and of course instant information. Dish is not very portable.

So why in the world would I even consider any pay for services like Dish, Direct TV or even obsolete Cable TV?

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Good Luck With That

Most cord cutters have cut the cord for a small number of reasons.

1. Costs to Much
2. Nothing worth Watching
3. Can't stand paying twice (subscription + ads)
4. Some think is a waste of time and money.

That's about it.
For me the ADS and Junk Content are the problem.
Netflix has it right... just what I pay to see no G** D*** Commercials.

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itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA

I'd be all over that!

I've told the wife if it were not for her and the few shows she watches from the locals (and no decent OTA DVR), I'd kick FIOS TV out to the curb in an instant.

Between Netflix and a few other services we could be set for content for a long time and not have to deal with commercials, or padding some stupid TV exec's bottom line.

I pray that day comes sooner rather than later!

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Re: I'd be all over that!

said by itguy05:

I've told the wife if it were not for her and the few shows she watches from the locals (and no decent OTA DVR), I'd kick FIOS TV out to the curb in an instant.

Between Netflix and a few other services we could be set for content for a long time and not have to deal with commercials, or padding some stupid TV exec's bottom line.

I pray that day comes sooner rather than later!

TiVo has had an excellent OTA DVR for many years. i've been using TiVos to record OTA HD content since May 2004. When the HR10-250 box was released for DirecTV. It recorded the DirectV channels as well as the digital OTA channels.

TiVo current OTA DVR, the four tuner Roamio Basic, is the best one yet. And inexpensive compared to the cable companies DVRs. I only paid $175 for mine and I only pay $6.95 a month for the TiVo service on it.

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Cutting Dish cord

Give me a break, Dish will be raising their prices even more. I have been with them for seven years and I am about ready to cut the cord between the receiver and the Dish. It was fun while it lasted, ready to go back to the OTA and save some money they will not get!!!!!!