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| Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS But to those in the sticks, with no choice but dialup running at 24kbaud, even low cap broadband is welcome, especially at a sub-$50 price tag. Is it as good as cable HSI or FiOS? Duh. But better than nothing or dialup? Hell yeah. Even simple browsing is getting horribly painful on dialup as pages are designed media rich for broadband. So even if you can't run Netflix 24-7 you can get way more done with SRS internet.
10-20GB is way more cap than most 4G puck providers and latency isn't an issue unless you are playing shooters on it. | |
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I read their press release and didn't find some important info, such as how they'll handle the latency problem? When we were with Wildblue it was so bad I couldn't do online banking because the SSL would time out and real-time tasks were impossible. Also, will they use a FAP using cap-and-throttle or can you purchase a bucket of GB if you need to go over?
Financially it's priced to compete with VZW's home LTE service. Give up a little latency in exchange for a reasonable price and 10 more GB a month. I really hope it works out well! | |
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| Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS This one is to compete squarely w/ cantenna and maybe to a lesser extent the other sat providers. What this does however is now get the 2 play (voip still out of the question), but if one goes w/ a cell phone home voice is handled.
TBH 20 GB will get you the internet and mild streaming, however this will not allow cloud streaming (netflix, amazon, itunes). So w/ tv and DVR this is circa 2005. | |
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| | | | | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS Voip is not out of the question. Personally I would not use it over satellite, but a lot of people are using voip on Exede and many no doubt plan to use it on Hughes' new service. It works. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS I guess. I used to work on sats. The latency and priority access is the problem. It's sorta like using nextel though.
There are many affordable cell programs out there for voice and text, so one doesn't have to go through that pain. | |
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join:2001-03-25
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kudos:4 | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS And real-time gaming! | |
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join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL | The point is that they are ripping you off with their per byte charging.
On $5 56k dialup you can download 18 GB a month.
It should always be unlimited as the infrastructure for peak usage always exponentially outweighs the per GB cost. | |
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| | skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS Not with satellite it doesn't. | |
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On $5 56k dialup you can download 18 GB a month.
I did the math and, yea, it would take 29 days at 24/7 to download 18 GB at 56kbit (assuming a solid 56kbs every second).  | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS The point isn't how long it takes you do DL 18GB, but now long to DL 3MB. At 28.8 it's 15 minutes, at 10Mb, 2 seconds.
I'll take SRS over dial up any day. | |
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| | | | | said by Andy from CA:I did the math and, yea, it would take 29 days at 24/7 to download 18 GB at 56kbit (assuming a solid 56kbs every second).
If you live in a rural area and can't get DSL, then your phone lines are probably bad enough that you can't max out the 56 Kbps connection.
Back in the POTS modem days, I topped out in the mid-30s. And I live in a suburb that was largely developed in the 1960s. | |
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| | | | said by Oh_No:The point is that they are ripping you off with their per byte charging.
On $5 56k dialup you can download 18 GB a month.
It should always be unlimited as the infrastructure for peak usage always exponentially outweighs the per GB cost.
except, you also need a phone line, so no, it's not $5 a month. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS said by prairiesky:said by Oh_No:The point is that they are ripping you off with their per byte charging.
On $5 56k dialup you can download 18 GB a month.
It should always be unlimited as the infrastructure for peak usage always exponentially outweighs the per GB cost.
except, you also need a phone line, so no, it's not $5 a month. Of course, but the phone line price has nothing to do with the internet connection. It is a voice line.
I think the cheapest barebones unlimited local phone line you can get is like $15 though ATT.
But dialup is a very nice comparison as satellite has no physical line costs to the home. The physical network to internet starts at the head end just like with dial up.
Obviously the satellite costs 100s millions of dollars, but the internet is a freebie in addition to the tv subscriptions they use it for.
Either way satellite is competing with 18GB for $5 a month dialup when they have arbitrary 10GB and 20GB caps. | |
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| Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS said by Oh_No:Either way satellite is competing with 18GB for $5 a month dialup when they have arbitrary 10GB and 20GB caps.
No it's not. $50 1000KB/s Satellite is competing with $5 3KB/s dial up.
Satellite represents usability where as dialup is unusable for virtually everything including basic surfing. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS Yes it is.
$50 20 GB a month Satellite is competing with $5 18 GB a month dialup.
If you are at work all day so you can download all day long dialup makes more sense. At the month you still could have only downloaded 5 DVDs or maybe 50 tv shows.
Caps are pathetic. We had no caps from 1995 to 2011 when everyone started trying to rip off customers with per byte billing.
Somehow sprint has no problem with unlimited and dsl was unlimited until 2011. | |
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Elizabethtown, KY | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS While this may be true, theoretically a 56K modem, operating at full blast for an entire month would get about 18GB downloaded. How many people actually use the Internet full blast for an entire month?
The average Internet usage is about 60 to 70 hours a month (at least that's what I found when I searched, feel free to dispute those numbers). Using 65 hours a month as an average for Internet users, that means a 56K user at full blast would get to download about 1.48GB. That's a far cry from the 10GB limit that this entry-level package offers.
Granted, I would assume that 65 hours is actual sit down time that users use the Internet. It probably doesn't include all of the gaming downloads, all of the gaming, all of the movie and music downloading, etc. But I think that is where a disconnect happened between urban users (who are used to broadband Internet) and rural users (who are not). Rural users aren't interested in doing all of that stuff (maybe because they've never been able to and aren't hooked on it just yet). Rural users are mainly interested in being able to go to lowes.com to compare washing machines and appliances before going to the store. (which you really can't do on dialup, maybe if waiting a couple of days for the various pages to load doesn't bother you).
With satellite Internet (and 3G/4G Internet as well) streaming movies and music and all of that fancy stuff is out of the question. But you have to remember these people are used to dialup, and dialup just doesn't cut it any more. I actually think everyone needs to go back to dialup for a week or 2 just to gain an appreciation for all the various broadband options that are available to urban users.
All of that aside, I do agree this 10GB limit is a little bit low. I'd like to see the entry level for satellite packages to be around 30GB a month, that would average out to about 1GB a day. But the $40 price tag is good. I can see this taking off in the rural areas and might serve to really start getting those rural areas off of dialup. | |
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kudos:2 | LOL, it's no longer a voice line if you are running it 24/7 | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS said by skeechan:LOL, it's no longer a voice line if you are running it 24/7
Back in the day (80s) you could get a second line without any special install or billing. My dad had a fax line in Huntington Beach California. Can you still get a second line without much hassle and would a dedicated dial-up line make much sense these days? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS GTE in Huntington Beach always charged for each line. Same bill, but each line was billed separately. I don't know how your dad got line 2 for free. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS said by skeechan:GTE in Huntington Beach always charged for each line. Same bill, but each line was billed separately. I don't know how your dad got line 2 for free.
No, he paid for both lines, it wasn't a hassle getting a second line was my point. Our neighbors wanted a third and they had to jump through hoops to get it. That's what I meant, everyone could get two but most only got one. | |
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| Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS Oh, yeah. All the homes where are wired 2 line (at least the ones in south HB and NW HB). The point was dial up isn't "$5" because it requires the phone line, especially if as the other poster wanted to do, run it 24/7 as a dial up connection. Here, basic line with tax is close to $20 with Verizon, $17 with AT&T because of the taxes and fees. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Cue whiners crying it isn't as good as FiOS I pay Clear the same price for stationary and puck, $50/mo unlimited and by unlimited I mean unlimited, not AT&T's definition of unlimited (I used 180GB of 4G data at my office last month). | |
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kudos:2 | Re: What's the latency gonna be? If they're using ViaSat-1, around 600ms. The new HughesNet sat is probably similar. It'll get worse over tiem though. | |
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| | | | Re: What's the latency gonna be? said by iansltx:If they're using ViaSat-1, around 600ms. The new HughesNet sat is probably similar. It'll get worse over tiem though.
That's awful. They can't do nothing about that right? That has to deal with the distance between the satellite and earth. It's like millions and millions of miles | |
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Camden, TN | Re: What's the latency gonna be? said by NJBoricua75:said by iansltx:If they're using ViaSat-1, around 600ms. The new HughesNet sat is probably similar. It'll get worse over tiem though.
That's awful. They can't do nothing about that right? That has to deal with the distance between the satellite and earth. It's like millions and millions of miles No not millions. Hell the moon is only 240,000 miles away. | |
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Billings, MT | said by NJBoricua75:That's awful. They can't do nothing about that right? That has to deal with the distance between the satellite and earth. It's like millions and millions of miles Not millions.. more like 22,230mi. But you can't beat the laws of physics. There will always be that much latency no matter what you do. | |
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477.476988ms Minimum RTT from you to the satellite's ground station and then whatever latency you have from the ground station to the server you're trying to communicate with. Web page load time can be reduced by 50-60% if they're using HTTP caching on the satellite. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: What's the latency gonna be? Just have a caching proxy and 20TBs worth of SSDs and you'd be set.
How well do hard drives work in the cold vacuum of space? | |
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| | | | | Re: What's the latency gonna be? said by Simba7:Just have a caching proxy and 20TBs worth of SSDs and you'd be set.
How well do hard drives work in the cold vacuum of space?
I have no idea, everything would likely have to be custom made to work in space. I doubt they could use anything other than solid state drives unless they use heavy shielding. | |
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| Re: what's the latency on this stuff these days? See my post above.
And no, gaming would be horrid over this connection. Until some sat ISP pwns the laws of physics geostationary satellites will continue to exhibit this huge latency disadvantage.
Then again, this is for folks who can't get anything else. | |
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join:2006-09-22
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kudos:2 | Re: what's the latency on this stuff these days? Depends. I had a decent time playing MMORPGs over my sister's 600ms latency Hughesnet connection. Something that requires more precise timing, like a racer or fps, would be out of the question. Probably would want to take a laptop to some wifi somewhere to download the updates, with these caps. I have fixed line backhauled with my own wireless antennas for the last mile connection, so I already had my clients updated when visiting her. Audio streaming is good on these caps. Got yourmuze.FM mobile streams working on my Linux laptop, which uses the efficient AAC+ codec. Good sound using a low bitrate. Most things are possible on things like satellite. They just take a little planning out. Btw, I prefer VOIP with a 1 sec voice delay on my cell phone using her wifi to the static ridden POTS lines available in rural spots like ours(especially hers). They are probably not even good enough for dial up out there.
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join:2001-04-27
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kudos:4 | Re: Sign me up! said by brianiscool:Logs online uses Youtube HD Quality , Run Windows Updates and then download games off Steam.
1st day capped reached !
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3 hd youtube vids, and windows update you're FAPped. FORGET STEAM.
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Chicago, IL | Caps, lol What can you do with 20GB or 10GB in a month that you cant do on dial up?
A 768K connection can download 250GB a month.
You can download 18 GB a month on $5 56K dialup.
These caps are a joke. | |
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| | | Re: Caps, lol I see that 18GB on 56k per month trumpeted a lot.
That is assuming you can get the full 53.333 for 24/7/30 days a month. And assume a provider lets to stay logged on that long. In reality, you see 41.200 or so in places where satellite competes. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Caps, lol said by anon202 :In reality, you see 41.200 or so in places where satellite competes. If that. I remember fixing a computer 10mi out and the fastest her dialup line would connect to was 26.4kbps. This was with my USRobotics v.92 Courier modem.
It would've been faster just to take her computer, drive into town, connect it to my router, and fetch the updates instead of waiting a day or two.
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| | How does it compare to competitors? How does it compare to the other satellite broadband providers? | |
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| | | Re: How does it compare to competitors? It's somewhat comparable to what Wildblue currently offers. They have three plans with 7.5 GB, 15 GB, and 25 GB usage caps, respectively.
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| | | said by PastTense:How does it compare to the other satellite broadband providers?
Actually more affordable. However, you do not get extra night time usage. Exede has unlimited usage at night which is extremely beneficial. | |
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| | Going to be limited.... The 10mbps service will be restricted to the regions served by Hughes Net's new satellite. | |
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| | | Re: Going to be limited.... This is really just re-branded HughesNet. Remember, Echostar bought Hughes, and Echostar is the service provider for Dish. | |
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| | DirecTV launches Satellite Broadband? DirecTV used to work with HughesNet but now they want to go solo and launch their own broadband. Once DirecTV satellite broadband is launched, I'm leaving AT&T's outdated landline because they are following Verizon's footsteps to leave rural areas in the dark. I will use only AT&T wireless phones for calling. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: I'd get Verizon HomeFusion instead said by NJBoricua75:Their 10mbps cap plan is $60. Sure it's $20 more but worth it. Faster speeds on LTE and latency will be waaaaaaay better. Dish wants $40 plus equipment fees and only if it's bundled. Nah it's a no-brainer if I were a rural customer. Shell out the extra $20
No brainer?
DishNetwork 20 GB plan; $50 plus equipment fee. No overage.
HomeFusion 20 GB plan; $90 and $10 per GB overage.
Also if you don't have Verizon's 4G in your area yet you can't get HomeFusion. | |
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| | | | Re: I'd get Verizon HomeFusion instead I was comparing the 10GB plan not the 20 and obviously yes if LTE isn't available in your area you can't get it. But I heard Verizon has 80% of the country now supposedly. Whatever. Personally I'd choose it over Satellite any day. Even the 20GB package. Latency on Satellite is awful. I couldn't deal with it | |
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| | Are these caps a joke? 5 Mbps downstream, 1 Mbps upstream with a 10 GB monthly usage cap for $40 a month (plus equipment fees).
Cell phone providers do better than this on 3G speeds... | |
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| | who's the actual provider?? Is this service running off Viasat's EXEDE or Hughes GEN4? | |
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| | | Re: who's the actual provider?? Gen4 | |
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dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | Going to start? isn't this the same rubbish by another name.
got a bad rep, change your name hughesnet.
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| | Walk a mile in my shoes... Ok I am writing this at 50.6 baud so you highspeed users might have to wait till it gets posted. I am one of those rural boonie homeowners. I live 6 miles from the main road and the same distance from a cell tower...so no bars. The trees are 100 ft tall so there aren't many options for an antenna to help. I have tried it but it isn't very reliable for what I was paying. The cable TV drops off the last pole about 2 miles down the road and I am about 2 miles from DSL, if Verizon upgraded the switch, which they say they won't. When I moved out here, dial-up was the only option for anyone anywhere. Now that things have changed, it hasn't out reached us out here. There are kids out here that I am sure could use something faster to get online for school. Also others would like to work from home or just do regular business on the internet. This isn't the wide open range where you see acres and acres of farmland. Lots of people live out here and most aren't farmers. 200k to 900k houses with a little land. There is no reason why I don't have better broadband, other than the carriers are too busy upgrading the urban areas and could care less about the rural areas. I have been waiting to see if the "new" satellite broadband was going to be worth it. It is a little more expensive than I would like but it beats dial-up. I don't need to watch a bunch of movies or play games online. I would just like to pay my bills online or read the news and not have to wait 5 or 10 minutes for it to load. I don't like the caps but it's a start till something better comes along. Sorry for the rant but it seems most people don't understand what it is like "way" out here 12 miles from the city.
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Verona, MS | Satellite Broadband A freind lives where there is no dsl or cable. Paying $19.95 a month for dial-up. The best speed is 19.2 or it will not connect at all. A lot of people like him and myself that live on a retirement income. This is welcome news to us. | |
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