Dish Network Loses 94,000 Subscribers

Just buy DISH already, and become the number 1 TV provider in the states.

The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.

DishNetwork and DirecTV tried to merge in the past, but were denied by the government. However, they should try again after Sirius and XM were allowed to merge. Their argument was that the internet and other technologies give them too much competition that did not exist ten years ago. DishNetwork and DirecTV can say that the cable companies and telephone companies are now offering TV service, which they did not do ten years ago.

Sorry, the Bush administration is gone. Facist Obama will nationalize Dish Network or bankruptcy auction it rather then let it merge.

There! I fixed it for you.

Yes, much better. We all know that Bush is the fascist.

Satellite TV will not die out. Too many people in rural communities rely on dishes as their only source for TV and internet. Cable and telephone companies are not going to move into rural areas unless government regulations force them to. So there will always be a market for satellite.

OMG, Bush was the facist... Obama just wants us all to be in debt until the end of time.... They all suck!

Now you got it! lol

Seriously, we need something truly new. The two party system sucks. Everything is not a black and white issue. There are many shades of gray. We really need a government overhall and reduction.

What we really need is a President and administration that isn't running a hidden agenda and is willing to listen to the people!

Thank You

If Bush was a fascist, Obama is a Nazi.

So it is written so it is done... wait till all of these Terrorists Obama is releasing gives us a nice little payback. And I don't think it will be a Christmas Fruit Cake.

Ya Obama says Everyone get out there and use your credit cards and buy more homes. Isn't that one of the main reasons the USA is going down the crapper??? Too much debit Americans have already. What kind of Idiots think spending more is going to make a stronger economy? Excuse me but in the 40's and 50's we got back on the right track when Big brother told us to save money.

You mean the criminals allowed the xm-sirius monopoly after heftily bribing the Bush co crime syndicate but now is not possible since the American people kicked out the low life conservative republiscum.

The Facist Bush administration is the one who prevented Echostar from buying DTV.

Dish isn't going anywhere soon.

"satellite TV fails in 5-10 years" Not gonna happen unless cable gets to every house in America AND drops their price to satellite level. I would pay at LEAST $20 more a month if I had comcast(not that I can get it just saying) and the charge $7 for the first HD box and $13 for each one after that, well around here anyway(my grand parents were looking in to comcast HD) Dish $5 for each box.

It all depends on where you live. If I had sat tv, it would cost me at least $20 more a month, plus I would have to front the cost of 2 out of the 3 DVRs I have. No thanks. Around here the first HD box is included in the price, and then after that each HD box is $6, and that's for both cable companies.

The third box is $20 from Comcast.

Holy ********* my grand parents were told it was $13 for each one after the first......... With dish/DTV it is only $5 for each one after the first one, and the first one costs nothing extra.

Heh. Replaced by what?

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»www.hulu.com/
»www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/
»www.apple.com/appletv/
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV
»www.joost.com/
»iptv.tmcnet.com/
»www.vuze.com
»www.themediamall.com/

I could go on and on.

Except how many sat users cannot get broadband, or good broadband to use these services.

With bandwidth caps implemented by various ISP's you won't be able to afford to use those sites for content.

Here's the point though. He thinks IPTV will replace satellite, but he forgot that you need an ISP to access those services. If there's no DSL and no cable, how will they connect to an IPTV service?

There are still huge gaps in cable and DSL coverage that only satellite can realistically cover. Unless the government mandates coverage for all areas satellite will still have a market.

You're not going to absorb the 32 million combined subscribers of DirecTV and Dish into Internet distribution. All of the options you listed above won't scale to 32 million simultaneous viewers; basic grade school algebra of 6-8mbps feeds across 32 million viewers dictates more simultaneous-use bandwidth than is possible to scale to in the next 5 years for certain.

In a decade when they figure out how to deliver terabit interfaces, maybe.

LOL.. Well at least I will be canceling my DishTV next month. But you are right the US does not have the bandwidth to support 32 million viewers across the U.S. of A.. We only have to blame our selves for being in the lower tiers of bandwidth in the world. However no matter how you cut it, Sat TV is going to diminish or die a slow death in the near future. Just like home phone service is right now. With users only paying for cell service. Oh and that industry is going to have issues too when VoIP destroys the "Voice" portion of your bill.

I on the other hand have already made plans to cancel my Sat service.

"Another monthly bill bites the dust" R.I.P...

except most sat users are like my friend that has direcTv because he lives out of town and has no option for cable. which of course means he has no option for internet. So if sat fails people like my friend won't be turning to hulu etc for Tv they will have no choice but to get TV OTA which severely limits what one can watch. I bet at least 1/3 if not MUCH more of sat subscribers don't have access to broadband.

Which wouldn't be a problem IF they had high speed internet access mind you. Keep in mind 4G is around the corner. 4G is and will provide these outlining areas with the speed they need. It's just a matter of time.

Around the corner as in 5 years for most metropolitan areas and longer than that for rural areas and many small towns. Wireless is also more likely to have caps that could put a real dent in using it for video.

The only cell compnay with even 3G in my area is Verizon. And if they insist on their 5 GB monthly cap and $256 per GB overage then 4G is of no use for watching TV over the web.

Yes that's today's business model. The next 4G business model will be different. It has to change and it will. The market is too competitive. You would be a fool to think that the next gen 4G network would be capped at 5GB. The times will change.

Imagine you pay VZW 1 wireless bill for EVERYTHING you use, IPTV, web, cell, ect. On top of that you will have multiple wifi devices on one account that will share one big data plan or individual plans. You will have 4G devices in your car(s), one dedicated to your home which is then distributed via 802.11abgn(?), your laptop(s) both wifi and air-card while on the go.

All a service provider needs to do is price it right. This includes bandwidth and any caps or restrictions.

The landscape is changing as we speak.

Lets not forget the enterprise benefits of this as well. I plan on buying 4G wifi for my enterprise connectivity needs as well. Weather it be for the main connection or as a backup to the T3.

Now where's my 700-800mhz 4G tester at?

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Will IPTV Outstrip Satellite TV?
And will the providers end up fiercely competing or playing nice?

David Cotriss

With IPTV operators such as AT&T offering multiplatform bundles that include content from satellite TV providers, one question becomes whether IPTV could actually surpass satellite in subscriber numbers or revenue.
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“In certain markets, IPTV subscriber numbers may equal or even exceed those of satellite,” said Richard Broughton, an analyst at Screen Digest. “However, there is a considerable difference between subscriber numbers and revenue. IPTV average revenue per customer is roughly half that of satellite in Europe — IPTV simply does not have the premium content at the moment and is for the most part not even looking to compete with satellite. While the services are not precisely complementary, there is generally only a slight overlap of the targeted customer groups.”

Broughton went on to explain some of the penetration figures. “Satellite penetration varies from country to country but typically is between 10 and 30 percent of TV households. IPTV, by contrast, has reached just over 5 percent in France, the world's leading market in terms of subscriber numbers. Hong Kong is currently at around 27 to 30 percent but is a bit of an anomaly. Most countries have an IPTV penetration of less than 2 percent. The only countries where IPTV has exceeded satellite are where satellite is not widely available, like China, or has launched only recently, like in Belgium.”
The IPTV Advantage

Explaining some of the advantages IPTV has over satellite, Broughton said, “IPTV has the advantage in that it has a return path. This allows for more advanced services like VOD (video on demand), networked PVR (personal video recorder), games and so forth. Some satellite operators, like BSkyB, have found ways around these limitations but are still fairly restricted in what they can do. The disadvantage of course is that an area has to be connected up to a network to be able to receive IPTV and in many cases, this limits who can access the service — especially where next-generation ADSL2+, VDSL or FTTH (fiber to the home) connections are involved.”

Steven Hawley, a senior analyst at Multimedia Research Group Inc., explained some of the technical aspects of satellite/IPTV collaboration and how they could also be competitors. “There are two ways of looking at satellite and IPTV: as collaborators and as competitors,” he said. “At an aggregation or wholesale level, several satellite operators transport aggregated IP video streams (multichannel television) from a centralized headend and deliver it to local telcos. Large telcos use satellite transport to extend their reach to operations outside of urban areas. Small independent telcos bring this prepackaged TV down to a local headend, combine it with local programming and distribute it to consumers over IP access. An example of this is SES-Americom's IP-Prime service. Intelsat, GlobeCast and others have similar offers around the world.”

Hawley explained how IPTV from the telco and direct-to-consumer satellite (like Dish and DirecTV) can be collaborators or competitors at the retail level. “Large telcos traditionally try to deliver their full service range to all subscribers. Therefore, they partner with satellite providers in an effort to offer some form of TV to consumers — even those they can't reach via fixed-line. On the other hand, the independent telcos — those which serve rural areas and smaller cities and have built their own TV facilities and have done their own content acquisition — consider themselves in direct competition with direct-to-consumer satellite.”
Collaboration Options

“Another scenario is hybrid, where satellite is used to deliver multichannel (live) television and IP is used for on-demand video and broadband data,” Hawley said. “Clearly, this would involve collaboration between the satellite operator and the telco. An example of this in the U.S. is AT&T's Homezone.”

Hawley elaborated on the benefits of wholesale programming bundles delivered via satellite. “The advantage to telcos is that satellite transport may be less expensive than land-based transport. Also, the fact that the transporter has a centralized headend and has already secured the content deals to bring content at least as far as the local operator. Even if the operator has to secure the content deals to bring programming from its own facilities to the consumer, this can still speed the local operator's time to market.”

INFO Commercials. What else...

and if they did that would the keep the "HD only" option Dish has? If I ever dumped cable for satelite dish's HD Tirbo is making me learn towards them. I mean if I have a HD tv why would I want to watch the SD versions of those channels? sure $10 for HD from DTV is cheap but when you had the $57 for all the SD crap you don't want then it's not.

better come up with a plan fast there my friend.

Plus your prices are too high compared to directv.

With N3 conversion on the brink on completion... This article is soon to say the reverse.

haha

Now that Dish is quickly approaching D* in terms of HD, I don't expect this trend to continue.

Now that Dish has added all of the Viacom (MTV, VH1, Spike, Comedy Central, CMT, etc.) and News Corp (Fox News, Business, FX, and Speed) High Definition channels, they are comfortably ahead of DirectTV in the HDTV channel count.

Reduce your prices you're too expensive.

Around here (PNW) Dish has managed to loose the local ABC affiliate KOMO, as well as not been able to figure out how to broadcast FOX in HD. If you drop one of the big three, you will loose.

I like the dish DVR It can handle 2 TVs at once you don't need a receiver on every tv to change the channel.

I switched from DirecTV to DISH because of the dual tuner receivers they have. You save $5 per additional TV. I have 4 TV's hooked up and only pay an extra $5. I don't know why DirecTV doesn't have them?

There must be more to retention than just offering the most linear HD at the lowest price point. For one, their marketing is obviously poorer than DirecTV's based upon the number of posters claiming DirecTV has more HD and cheaper prices. Marketing needs to improve, you can't just sit on a superior product. Nothing sells itself, not even the Slap Chop.

I'd love to see someone do a breakdown to find out where those 94,000 went. My guess: Fios, Uverse, Cable. Packaging phone, internet, and TV for lower overall pricing is most likely higher priority over HD channel count in many more households today compared to last year.

I would agree with your statement on Dish's marketing campaigns. The only ads I can think of off the top of my head are the TurboHD commercials during NBA games.

DirecTV, on the other hand, has ads on all the time. Although, I do have to say that I thought the DirecTV ads with movie scenes were clever (well, at least the first few).

That said, I am a new customer to Dish as of a few months ago. Comcast was just too much $$$$ for our usage. For $39.99 I get a three tuner (2 sat, 1 ota), whole-house, HD DVR with their TurboHD Bronze package (w/locals).

For my family, this is the perfect package. 99% of the channels I want, with very few that I don't. I think the only channel I miss is FX.

Comparing my setup with Dish (2 TVs on an HD DVR, plus 2 more TVs on regular tuners). That comes to 39.99 for the regular channels, 10.00 for HD, 5.98 for DVR service, and 5.00 for the second tuner. $60.97 total for 4 TVs, 2 of which are on a DVR. I also got free installation.

On their website, DirecTV costs 55.99 for the basic channels it looks like, plus 6.00 for DVR service, 10.00 for HD access, and 3x 5.00 for each additional receiver. That comes to $86.99 total, or $26 more per month for the same thing. Plus I'd have to pay $200 up front in fees for installation.

The "promotions" look like $16 and $5 off per month ($21 total) which are mail in rebates? What a joke, you might never get the discounts then. Rebates are usually a scam you have to bend over backwards to get from my experience. Even if you DO get them, that comes to $65.99/month for the first 12 months. Still $5/month MORE than Dish's regular price, then it goes up to the regular $86.99 after that!

*I didn't compare taxes/fees because I have no idea what DirecTV charges, but Dish charges state sales tax on the DVR and receiver fees only, and there are NO other taxes or fees on my final bill. For me, this is 6% on 5.98+5.00+7.00 (the first receiver's monthly fee is built into the 39.99, but only the 7.00 is taxed. 7.00 because it is a HD DVR receiver). A total of 1.08 in tax.

I've had Dish and my parents have it and it's horrible. The DVR is nice (two rooms with one receiver) but the service is horrid. They charge you for any programming changes and their selection is horrible (at least for my taste).

I am pleased with DirecTV and don't leaving anytime soon.

Dish have best DVRs on the market. DirecTV customers usually do not realize it, until they see it in action.
Plus, Dish + FTA is a good combo to have in a case something happens to FTA. Not an option with DirecTV.

I have had both services. Directv has actively sent me mailings with deals trying to get me back for years. The most I heard from Dish Network was them calling me to ask if I was still receiving service. (Obviously checking to see if I was stealing service. But maybe I should forgive them since it was like 5 years ago.)

Directv you also see advertised on TV and in stores. I cannot remember the last time I saw a Dish Network advertisement.

I am getting my dancin shoes out of the closet, dusting them off and puttin on a high shine. When Dish dies I will be dancing up a storm. I've been practicing and my feet are all giddy with joy.

It's no wonder Dish is finally dying. There are the most disorganized company I have ever had the displeasure of working for as a contractor. Mistakes on every workorder, people not aware we were coming "that" day, wrong addresses, wrong equipment listed on the work order, or how about this one.... Drive all the way across the county only to arrive at a house to discover Mr. Smith doesn't live there!

Me: "Hi I'm here to install you Dishnetwork satellite service"

Cust: "I didn't order any service"

Me: "Are you Mr. Smith, Sir?"

Cust: "Yes but I didn't order Dishnetwork"

Me: "Is this 1234 Happy street?"

Cust: Eying me suspiciously now. "Yes but no one here ordered Dishnetwork"

Me: "Perhaps your son, wife or roomate?"

Cust: "No, no one here like that would have ordered it, we have cable."

Me: "My apologies Sir. There has obviously been a mistake, sorry to have bothered you.

Cust: "No probelem"

Customer then watches through the blinds as I leave the driveway.

Okay so I get on the Nextel.... "Oh were sorry... yeah it looks like we got the guys address mixed up with another one in ???????. Do you wanna drive all the way over there?

Me: "NO! It's 80 $&#^%@ miles away!"

Dish Network's loss is part of DirectTv's gain...

460,000+ additions.. Suppose a large part of the 94k subscriber loss went to the other satellite provider.. as at least some of that market can't get cable or doesn't want cable (coax) provider service. There are other *technical* reasons for the subscriber loss in addition to crappy c/s, but I won't go into them here.

I think it has to do more with about 90 percent if not more of every channel's programming is reruns these days. That and the 60 dollar plus bill for above said crap. Heck there is even reruns on the weather channel these days. Let's face it TV is dying. You just have these Fossils called Viacom, Time Warner, NBC Universal and Disney who won't get with the times. This is from a Directv customer who'll be dumping this crap once the contract is up this fall. If I want Reruns I can get them commercial free on DVD and actually save money.

DTV to this day still has 0 local channels for where I live. Dish has had them for years now.

When we used to have DTV, they went up up up on their bills regularly. Dish doesn't seem to go up as much as often as DTV did.

Without local channels, I wouldn't even consider a satellite provider.

And here, there are no other options and likely never will be, unless AT&T decides to mega upgrade the copper here.

First Dish customer serive is the pits, even their "executive escalations" people are lame from Texas and can;t do anything to solve your probelm. Everything you do with Dish is more fees ontop of more fees then they want to extend your 2 year contract for every little thing. If Directv woudl just have a 3 tuners (2 SAT and 1 OTA) HD DVR I woudl be back with them in a second!