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The Kapil
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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Brentwood, CA | Re: Yum! I'm looking forward to it. | |
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
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1 edit | Oh come on... someone has to say it!!
"Just means people will hit their FAP quicker".... | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Yum! said by fiberguy  :Oh come on... someone has to say it!! "Just means people will hit their FAP quicker".... Depends, is the pr0n in full HD ? 
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join:2006-09-02 | Yeah, if they use certain cable providers for their HSI. My Cox caps are 60GB and I'm on an upgraded tier...doesn't take too many HD movies to blow through that. I got nastygrams from Comcast for doing not much more. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Yum! Didn't know Comcast had a "FAP"... but thanks for the info. | |
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2 edits | Re: Yum! Comcast's actual fair access policy limit isn't stated in their AUP and after sending out a nastygram they refused to disclose the amount that constitutes a violation of their fair access policy or even what point trigged it in my case so that I could comply. I was simply told to "cut my usage in 1/2" eventhough they didn't know what that amount would be. Apparently that is what they tell most people who got such notices.
Cox states it very plainly what their limits are (40GB or 60GB per month) in their AUP as does Wildblue satellite internet which Dish resells.
As far as "Fapping", Comcast never throttled me, just threatened me with disconnection for violating their ambiguous AUP. | |
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Yum! Comcast does NOT have a FAP...
..but glad you read way too far into the original post, troll. | |
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3 edits | Re: Yum! Of course Comcast has a Fair Access Policy...it's Section 7 of the Comcast AUP
said by Comcast AUP :
Prohibited Uses and Activities
Prohibited uses include, but are not limited to, using the Service, Customer Equipment, or the Comcast Equipment to:
...generat[e] levels of traffic sufficient to impede others' ability to send or retrieve information;
said by Comcast Abuse Policy :
Bandwidth, Data Storage and Other limitations Use of the Comcast network infrastructure in a manner that (i) exceeds the then current bandwidth, data storage or other limitations on the Comcast High-Speed Internet service or (ii) puts an excessive burden on the limitations of the network. Examples include: Using the Comcast network to run a Web-hosting server or any other commercial enterprise.
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My views are my own.
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| Re: Yum! No, but it matters I suppose to a forum troll.
For the record... Satellite ISPs have FAPs... Comcast does not.
Do you know what FAP stands for? Do you know what an AUP stands for?
Please, again, come with your facts straight. It's obvious you like to invent terms and assign or use definitions/terms incorrectly.
Comcast has a AUP... so does Satellite, however, satellite has a FAP policy as well.
Seriously.. you're so blowing this out of the intent of the OP I made...
.. it's clear you are a troll... full yet? If I am a shill, then you're an idiot.
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3 edits | Re: Yum! A fair access policy isn't defined as bandwidth throttling. BW throttling is BW throttling and is just of many methods of enforcement for a fair access policy.
A fair access policy is any policy or provision that acts to preserve equal access to the service by the subscribers and Comcast certainly has one. Fair Access Policies aren't exclusive to satellite, nearly every ISP has a fair access provision in their AUP.
In Comcast's case their policy prohibits a user from "impede[ing] others' ability to send or retrieve information". This is to ensure that all users have FAIR ACCESS to the service. In Cox's a user may not exceed 40 or 60GB per month in downloads.
Comcast's method of enforcement are nastygrams followed by cancellation. DirectWay's is to periodically limit throughput for users if they exceed a certain about of traffic over a specific period of time. Wildblue and Cox's is to state monthly limitations on use where consistent violations may result in account suspension or termination or throttling until the next billing cycle. Verizon has a fair access policy but doesn't appear to have any enforcement of it at all. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Yum! You miss the point.. but what ever.
Last attempt. Unlike Directway and Wild Blue who HAVE an actual "FAP" policy.. comcast does not have something called a "FAP".. get it?
Further.. your useless dribble is really amusing.
For the 3rd time, my original post was nothing more than to step in and make light of the fact that most people come in and talk about the FAP that dish has..
So.. dude.. CHILL OUT. and further more.. stop being a troll.
When did this become a topic of Comcast anyway?
Get a clue.
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4 edits | Re: Yum! A fart by any other name smells just as bad. It doesn't matter what term the cable industry calls their fair access provisions, it doesn't change the fact that they are fair access policies. The only difference is how those policies are enforced if at all.
As for Dish, they don't operate an ISP they resell WildBlue and various DSL services and from everything I've read it doesn't appear that Dish IPTV will only be available through the internet services Echostar resells.
The thread was never about Comcast...you said people will hit their FAP quicker and I agreed giving 2 examples of cable fair access policies (including my own COX HSI monthly limitations (40GB-60GB/mo depending on the tier)...policies not much different than Wildblue who also uses monthly limitations (7.5GB-17GB/mo depending on the plan) as part of their fair access policy enforcement.
You then mentioned you were unaware that Comcast has a fair access policy which I later cut-n-pasted from their AUP which reads not much differently than my Cox HSI fair access provision...only differing in what the monthly usage limitations are.
I think this is more about you somehow being offended that I would question the greatness of cable internet, I dunno. You do seem to have an extensive pattern of vigorously defending the cable industry with a lack of objectivity.
BTW calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll doesn't support your position, it just makes you look childish. If you truely think someone is trolling, refer it to a moderator and let them make that determination. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Yum! Why don't you simply pull the corn cob from your bung and realize that it was a joke to begin with..
Really.. get over yourself already. And I remain, you're a troll.
Several times I told you it was a joke to begin with and yet you still care to tie this string on as a debate...
Really, I don't need to call mommy moderator to identify a troll.. I've got one tugging at my pant leg right now.
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | A la carte Sell me channels for $5! I only watch 4-5 cable channels. | |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | cool | |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | data line? Is this "bring ur own HSI" or co branded with DSL or IPTV over Directway? | |
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Alpine
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join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA
| Re: data line? That's the million dollar question. What kind of bandwidth will this require and how will users avoid killing their TV signal when they're downloading?
Telco IPTV and cable both use segmented partitions that aren't affected by Internet usage. I'd hate to have my TV crap out on me every time I ran Windows Update.
But at least they'll have adult content. Beyond that, who cares about anything else? 
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by patcat88 :Is this "bring ur own HSI" or co branded with DSL or IPTV over Directway? if its over direc way you'll be able to watch about an hour/day before getting FAPped.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: data line? said by dvd536 :said by patcat88 :Is this "bring ur own HSI" or co branded with DSL or IPTV over Directway? if its over direc way you'll be able to watch about an hour/day before getting FAPped. Maybe constantly streaming to a HD in the reciever box, then your purchease access keys to the content on the HD? | |
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Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | It's 'bring your own'. You will still get all your normal channels and programming via satellite like you do today. The "DishOnline" stuff is secondary programming.
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| | pabster
join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA
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| Re: data line? Yep, exactly. I don't see it as a replacement for Dish. But it could certainly be for a certain portion who only watch 3 or 4 channels, or for cost-conscious consumers.
I must say, I would never have expected Dish to come out firing with IPTV, late, let alone first. | |
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Hall
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Dayton, OH | Re: data line? Their latest line of receivers are called ViP and speculation (or fact) is that it meant "Video over IP.
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join:2001-05-10
Irvine, CA | Re: data line? ...or perhaps "Video over iP" | |
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Hall
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Dayton, OH | Re: data line? Why they used a lower-case "i", I don't know. Maybe to keep it from being confused as a "1" ??
V1P622 ??
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA | Can only work If you do your downloading at night. So, it might not be on demand, but it could be pretty cool. Of course, now the average Joe user will have to contend with invisible caps if they start downloading a bunch of HD movies. That should be fun. | |
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join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | Re: Can only work I think you will have sign up for dish internet and they will put bandwidth aside for the TV stream and the internet stream. | |
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@rr.com | Re: Can only work I think he's talking about bandwidth cap from the ISP. Not Dish Network | |
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roachxp
join:2004-05-26
Milford, MA
| Bring your own This is bring your own connection. The service is like ATT homezone which used E* boxes for satellite service, and any internet connection to download on demand movies and shows.
I wouldn't be surprised if some internet company owned by a major cable service provider tries to throttle bandwidth to this service like they do with bittorent. | |
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warriors
It's A Great Time Out
join:2001-06-05
Alviso, CA
| Re: Bring your own said by roachxp :I wouldn't be surprised if some internet company owned by a major cable service provider tries to throttle bandwidth to this service like they do with bittorent. That's why we need Net Neutrality | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Bring your own Net Neutrality as it's touted would not help the service. Because then without the ability to set the video stream on a priority people will get tired of seeing it clip or buffer because the node is too oversaturated. | |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | Re: Bring your own 
You where saying? | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Hmm... Quality of broadband service? or is it...? While I love Dish Network, I really don't see how this could work very well, given the fact that they don't control the quality of service to the customers for broadband...
Unless.... oh wow. Unless Dish Network is thinking Interactive Satellite and broadband together, IE they stream to you via the satellite but you communicate upstream to them via your broadband. Wow. That might work out well....
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join:2006-09-02 | Re: Hmm... Quality of broadband service? or is it...? I didn't RTFA but perhaps it will be more like Vongo where titles aren't streamed but downloaded first. | |
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RideRed
Vista needs a popup blocker for Vista
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join:2005-06-18
USA | Dish and FIOS Match made in heaven. I can't wait. I'm hoping this will bring cable only On Demand offerings. | |
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join:2003-11-27
Glen Ellyn, IL
| Re: Dish and FIOS Quality of the interent is not guarenteed and we all know it. The internet has the worst quality of service (QOS)even if you have 60MB down from your cable or telcom provider. I question you on these issues. Can you count the number of providers on the trace listed below? Yeah more then 3, which brings me to the next several questions. Do you know the service level agreements between each provider? No. Do you know how each provider handles packet delivery? No. Do you know how they manage their networks? No, this is confidential. QOS is not guraneteed because there are no standards.
3 2 ms 2 ms 3 ms 192.168.0.1
4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms adsl-68-253-223-254.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68
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5 11 ms 10 ms 13 ms dist1-vlan50.emhril.ameritech.net [68.22.72.66]
6 14 ms 12 ms 10 ms bb1-g0-0.emhril.ameritech.net [151.164.43.82]
7 13 ms 14 ms 14 ms bb2-p0-0.emhril.sbcglobal.net [151.164.43.253]
8 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms ex2-p5-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.42.139]
9 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms gar8-p390.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.79.89]
10 58 ms 58 ms 57 ms tbr1034001.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.99.6]
11 58 ms 57 ms 59 ms tbr1-cl1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.10.6]
12 56 ms 55 ms 55 ms gar4-p300.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.13.174]
13 53 ms 53 ms 55 ms idf22-gsr12-1-pos-7-0.rwc1.attens.net [12.122.25
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14 63 ms 64 ms 63 ms rwcsbix12-3-1.attbi.com [63.241.85.242]
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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| Re: Dish and FIOS said by BrotherJPW :Quality of the interent is not guarenteed and we all know it. The internet has the worst quality of service (QOS)even if you have 60MB down from your cable or telcom provider. I question you on these issues. Can you count the number of providers on the trace listed below? Yeah more then 3, which brings me to the next several questions. Do you know the service level agreements between each provider? No. Do you know how each provider handles packet delivery? No. Do you know how they manage their networks? No, this is confidential. QOS is not guraneteed because there are no standards. 3 2 ms 2 ms 3 ms 192.168.0.1 4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms adsl-68-253-223-254.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68 .253.223.254] 5 11 ms 10 ms 13 ms dist1-vlan50.emhril.ameritech.net [68.22.72.66] 6 14 ms 12 ms 10 ms bb1-g0-0.emhril.ameritech.net [151.164.43.82] 7 13 ms 14 ms 14 ms bb2-p0-0.emhril.sbcglobal.net [151.164.43.253] 8 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms ex2-p5-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.42.139] 9 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms gar8-p390.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.79.89] 10 58 ms 58 ms 57 ms tbr1034001.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.99.6] 11 58 ms 57 ms 59 ms tbr1-cl1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.10.6] 12 56 ms 55 ms 55 ms gar4-p300.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.13.174] 13 53 ms 53 ms 55 ms idf22-gsr12-1-pos-7-0.rwc1.attens.net [12.122.25 5.218] 14 63 ms 64 ms 63 ms rwcsbix12-3-1.attbi.com [63.241.85.242] 15 56 ms 57 ms 55 ms 192.168.64.18 16 57 ms 56 ms 53 ms www.comcast.net [216.148.227.202] Dude, unless your internet SuX0rz, then you should have no problem buffering the same 2 second "frame sync" delay you get when you use the real thing. It might be 4 seconds buffer too, but either way, I would think this might have a chance, have you seen backspace.tv before??? Quality isn't too bad.
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1 edit | said by BrotherJPW :Quality of the interent is not guarenteed and we all know it. The internet has the worst quality of service (QOS)even if you have 60MB down from your cable or telcom provider. I question you on these issues. Can you count the number of providers on the trace listed below? Yeah more then 3, which brings me to the next several questions. Do you know the service level agreements between each provider? No. Do you know how each provider handles packet delivery? No. Do you know how they manage their networks? No, this is confidential. QOS is not guraneteed because there are no standards. So f-ing what? QoS will only be a widespread problem if providers like Cox or Verizon are permitted to DEGRATE Dish Network's service (as we've seen them try with VOIP) in order to make their own CATV service more attractive.
Rarely do I find my "bottleneck" at Level3 or anywhere in between "here" and "there"...it's either the host is slow (which I can see if I try to download a file using more than 1 provider) or one of my ISPs are slow (as I see the slowness no matter what I try to download). | |
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Dish Network to Launch IPTV Service?
