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Dish: New LTE Network Would Create Significant Jobs
Assuming Company's Not Bluffing And Actually Builds One
by Karl Bode 08:00AM Monday Jul 23 2012
Nobody really knows if Dish is bluffing about building an LTE Advanced network. Some believe that Dish really is considering building a major LTE network that could help compete with major carriers -- potentially by around 2016. Others believe that Dish boss Charlie Ergen is just bluffing in order to bloat the price of the company's spectrum holdings before a sale. Ergen himself is still pushing for regulatory help, and in an unrelated recent hearing before Congress proclaimed that the company's network build would be a huge job creator for the United States:
quote:
Last year, we invested billions of dollars to acquire two bankrupt satellite companies, with the aim of transforming those assets into a next-generation mobile broadband service. We want to provide consumers with the choice in services and providers that they seek. If we’re successful, we’ll fuel billions of dollars in investment and create tens of thousands of new jobs throughout the United States.
Of course Ergen argues that this job creation orgy can't get started until the FCC lends them a hand and gives them an exemption to conditions placed on the spectrum they plan to use for their "Ollo" broadband service:
quote:
We can’t get started, however, until the FCC releases updated rules governing how our satellite licenses can be used for terrestrial mobile broadband. Given the overwhelming support of the comments received to date, we hope that the FCC will act, and finalize the new rules by the end of the summer. We want to build the most advanced wireless network in the U.S. to compete against the well-established incumbents, but we need to begin as soon as possible to have a chance.
Or Ergen is lying, and is just trying to jack up his spectrum holding value ahead of a sell off to AT&T. We'll have to wait and see.

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buddahbless

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IF you build it , they will come....

UNLESS.... you highly overprice it, jack up the instillation cost, imprison it to miserable contract, put a ridiculous cap on it, and or throttle it to hell in a handbag.

I also think this may just be a bait and switch for something further down the line. Alas only time will tell.
iansltx

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Re: IF you build it , they will come....

I'd Dish kept its full 40Mhz of spectrum, then offered uncapped-speed service with data transfer caps of ViaSat exude...except on a mobile, 20x20 LTE network with Sprint roaming...and used Sprint's network hosting ability to roll their own network out (like LightSquared was supposed to do)...they might have a solid product here. not phenomenal (except for speeds while on their own network) but solid.

One thing I really want to see is Amish keeping all its spectrum, because doing that would allow them to do 20x20 LTE. Post SpectrumCo Verizon will be able to do 20x20 LTE on AWS in some areas, so it only makes sense to allow another company to keep enough spectrum to do the same thing, in a similar band.
elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
Listen,

Dish knows the days of cartel bundling of TV are gone and multi-mode delivery will become the norm to survive. If they don't build a land-based distribution channel they will be gone, period. They can snap up a company like Clearband and offer Internet there and use their spectrum cash horde to fund it by selling it off. That would make WAY more sense...

Now it's well known that there is not really a capacity issue (Sprint is decomming like 20,000 towers in NV), so I guess the question is if they will actually decide to do LTE for telematics/home or actually go into mobile applications while profitable is very expensive to build out.

DirectTV has a problem. They have unique sports packages, but sooner or later the masses will leave and they become muzak or the like and cater more to niche and businesses. Maybe they partner/buy Aereo or whoever starts the unwinding and then they stay relevant for a little longer.

We are just scratching the surface for media delivery in vehicles....

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tmc8080

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resellers

my bet is this could be a waste of a thread... the most likely suspect is a failed before it's even a dream in the DN stockholder's nightmare partnership with Sprint. We all know how those have gone bad real quick. you could call them pyramid schemes and ponzi schemes. no real network is built, and some millions of dollars are shifted around, but these things die real easy further boosting the impression that AT&T and Veri$on are the only duopoly wireless game in town.
iansltx

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Re: resellers

Why is it failed? Sprint already has their network set up to host others' spectrum if need be, their MVNO policies are liberal, and Dish spectrum has no interference issues like LightSqaured.
tmc8080

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Re: resellers

said by iansltx:

Why is it failed? Sprint already has their network set up to host others' spectrum if need be, their MVNO policies are liberal, and Dish spectrum has no interference issues like LightSqaured.

12% market share is a faiiled business in waiting..

If you got 12% on a test.. would you be good at that subject?
iansltx

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Re: resellers

That's a silly rgument. It's like saying that, I dunno, Burger King is a failure because they don't have the lion's share of the burger market (neither do McDonalds, endy's, etc.). You only need enough subscribers to be profitable...beyond that it's good to have more subscribers, but you haven't failed as long as you're profitable (or headed that way).

Boone

@comcast.net

Not building or lying

Of course Dish won't build such a network. However, reading the company's comments I see no statement that Dish will build it if the regulatory relief is granted.
tkdslr

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Couple a decent LTE network with Dish's Sat's

could be a real game changer.

Imagine video distribution system/(blockbuster), using spot beams, DVR's, and their own LTE network to provided real-time feedback, and to fill in the gaps.

They've already got 14 million sat customers. A pure data+voip service centered around fixed LTE could really level the playing field with the cable CO's/ILEC's.

A fixed position LTE system could be many more times efficient than typical mobile LTE configuration, where each customer has a motorized directional antenna that adds a focused directional component to the cell system.

Note: I'm already using a crude version of this technique, (placing smart phone inside a cantenna & calibrating it), which improves S/N ratio, xfer speed, and reliability.
iansltx

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Re: Couple a decent LTE network with Dish's Sat's

Dish could go with fixed wireless...or they could do mobile broadband. My guess is the latter, since that's all the rage, but it could be the former. You wouldn't even need motorized antennas...just point at one tower and go. Personally, pointing at a Sprint "spectrum hosted" tower would be the most efficient way to accomplish this, particularly since Sprint isn't aligned to any of Dish's competitors and already has their system ready to do that sort of thing, but things could be done differently (okay, I'm being selfish here, since doing this would give more money to expand Network Vision more quickly...and Dish LTE would end up on a tower not far from my parents' place).

One thing's for certain: if Dish actually wants to build its own network (vs. selling the spectrum to VZ/ATT), the fact that they have 40MHz (as much as Sprint currently has in PCS, but without a legacy CDMA system taking up some of the airwaves) is a huge benefit. SpectrumCo is doing the right thing by selling its 20MHz AWS swath...it just isn't much spectrum to launch a high-capacity wireless network on without additional help IMO...but 40MHz is a totally different story.
ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

Why would Charlie sell?

Say what you will about Charlie Ergen, but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to sell. He could have sold Dish many times over the last 15 years or so, but he hasn't. In fact, he made a play for DirecTV, but that died due to monopoly concerns.

And look at it this way. Wireless broadband is the hottest thing going right now. The one thing that satellite doesn't have compared to cable is a viable broadband option, and cable has been hammering them because of that. Building a network like this would give Dish that option. And if Ergen doesn't want to fool with selling directly to customers, there are plenty of companies willing to step in and set up MVNO's to do it. Basically, it Dish builds the network, they'll be successful. I think they know that.

ABGKCD

@fujitsu.com

Dish Spectrum & LTE

What will Dish do with the 700 MHZ nationwide block E spectrum ?
Will they sell that to AT&T and raise money for LTE in the L band ?

ZandarKoad

@comcast.net

Dish Jobs

Ask anyone working at Dish: Don't let them "create" a single more job. It's a soul crushing experience. For example, how Charlie talks about spending Christmas in Aspen with his family while all the technicians learn the same day that Christmas Day and Christmas Eve have become mandatory working days, regardless of any scheduled days off...

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Re: Dish Jobs

said by ZandarKoad :

Ask anyone working at Dish: Don't let them "create" a single more job. It's a soul crushing experience. For example, how Charlie talks about spending Christmas in Aspen with his family while all the technicians learn the same day that Christmas Day and Christmas Eve have become mandatory working days, regardless of any scheduled days off...

I would expect Christmas to be a big day for them.
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