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Dish, nTelos Fixed LTE Service to Offer Around 5 Mbps
by Karl Bode 06:50PM Tuesday Nov 26 2013
Dish has offered up a little more detail on an already-announced plan to offer fixed wireless broadband service. Dish announced back in May that the company would be offering fixed LTE services in a new partnership with nTelos. At the time, the companies stated they'd be ultimately offering the service in Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Kentucky -- though June deployments were very unspecific and limited in nature.

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In October Dish and nTelos stated the trial was going well and they intended to extend it into Roanoke, Staunton, Waynesboro and Charlottesville with the goal of reaching "up to" a half-a-million homes.

Still, pricing and speed details have been hard to come by (drop us a line if you're a trial participant). Speaking at a recent investor conference the companies did state they aim to be able to offer at least 5 Mbps to subscribers, even though trials have obtained speeds of 30 to 40 Mbps.

The companies plan to offer LTE using roughly 20 MHz of spectrum belonging to nTelos, with Dish's growing spectrum holdings potentially being incorporated sometime down the road. The focus is pretty clearly going to be more rural markets, where the service should offer faster speeds than DSL provided over aging copper.

"We may blow away fixed line provider(s)," nTelos CEO and President Jim Hyde told conference attendees.

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dplantz

join:2000-08-02
Roslindale, MA

Data caps and pricing will make or break this offering

Depending on pricing and data caps this service will sink or swim. 100gig a month for say unde 75 a month would be a great price for this service Verizon's home fusion service is too little data for the money to be much of a replacement for slow DSL or sat broadband offerings

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

FYI

That J pole is not properly mounted on the fascia board, how did this get past dish?
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: FYI

probably not inspected.

davoice

join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
Have you SEEN some of the jackleg Dish contractor installs?!

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: FYI

yes, which is the irony

RWSI

join:2012-11-27
Albuquerque, NM

5meg

5 meg is good start but subscribers want more than that. It won't take much to overload an LTE node. With advances in video technology from Netflix, Apple TV and others demand more bandwidth.
Gaming requires low latency that LTE cannot offer. Higher upload speeds are required for video monitoring systems.
Eventually the LTE business model will be in trouble like everything else that couldn't keep up unlicensed spectrum technology.
700 meg is real for devices now but not LTE.. Sorry.
applerule

join:2012-12-23
Mars Hill, NC
kudos:1
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Re: 5meg

LTE has lower latency than most DSL lines. I game on lte with under 100ms latency consistently.

This has the potential to be a great offering for those of us on severely oversubscribed sub 3meg DSL connections, overpriced lte/3g, or satellite.

This will never be able to compete with FIOS or cable options, but this is targeted towards people who don't have those options available.

mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
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Why would LTE have higher latency than DSL? Even if it were inherently 10-50 ms higher than a DSL line, it's still worlds better than the guaranteed 500ms overhead that satellite internet has.

The whole key to this taking off is what are the caps. Pricing doesn't matter, speeds don't matter. Issue number one is caps. Then tell me how much it costs and how fast it is.

mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL

Re: 5meg

They are talking about 300-400 users on one cell site, and one 20mhz block of LTE supports, from everything I can tell, about 300mbit downstream. Hope everyone doesn't want to watch Netflix at night.
tabernak

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Re: 5meg

That actually doesn't sound bad, so they'd essentially be overselling by a factor of 5. If they did proper traffic shaping you'd be guaranteed at least ~1Mbps. Add on caps (hopefully reasonable) and you shouldn't have many users perpetually downloading stuff.

Even more, start considering Dish had additional spectrum and they can potentially double the capacity per tower or more. Looking at it that way and you can certainly see a future in which rural users are well served by wireless internet as more spectrum from the carriers is used for LTE and beyond.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
That's... Exactly what cable ISPs offer. Hundreds on a node that only has a few hundred mbit/s at best.

anon202

@rr.com

Re: 5meg

TWC modes are fiber fed I'm pretty sure in the 1-2Gig per node

mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
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Re: 5meg

said by anon202 :

TWC modes are fiber fed I'm pretty sure in the 1-2Gig per node

That's not how cable works. Cable is restricted by the bandwidth on the coax side of the node. It depends on how many individual QAM256 channels they dedicate to DOCSIS. Each one represents ~30mbit shared. That's why channel bonding, even if you don't have a high throughput package, is important. You get to "share" a bigger pipe, even if you're on a 15mbit package.

redxii
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join:2001-02-26
Sherwood, MI
I get around -105dBm in LTE extended coverage, nothing else other than sat/dial-up. I easily get under 100ms to my favorite servers.

Only thing that blows is the caps and overage costs. That is why the telcos want to rip out their copper or not fix it when it breaks.

linicx
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United State

They've got to be kidding?

5Mbps? I can already get 10/1 and 15/5 if I want it. Both telco are sharing the same FIOS to the plant. My copper is new.
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toby
Troy Mcclure

join:2001-11-13
Portland, OR

Re: They've got to be kidding?

People in rural areas would be happy with 1Mbps.

They are not aiming for city customers who already have choices, obviously.

CodeeCB
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Minneapolis, MN

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said by linicx:

5Mbps? I can already get 10/1 and 15/5 if I want it. Both telco are sharing the same FIOS to the plant. My copper is new.

10/1 and 15/5? Are you kidding? I already have ~70/10 and can get get ~150/20 if I want.

What you are missing is that while I have those speeds at home, Comcast doesn't have plant 110 Miles north of me at my cabin on the lake. So yes, 5Mbps looks EXCELLENT to people in rural areas who have satellite or 3g cellular if they're lucky.

It's not all about you, and even it it was your 10/1 and 15/5 speeds would be miserable for by standard needs at my house.

linicx
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Re: They've got to be kidding?

I agree 100%. The speeds you have at home are only a dream where I live. It will never happen because there are not enough residents in the county to support that type of upgrade. Even the local hospital is on 10/1 because the landline is more reliable than cable Voip. If it was not for the hospital we would have a whopping 1.5 down and consider ourselves lucky. Cable would not offer anything except entertainment. .
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decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
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less speed, more cap

I rather them offer a slower but enjoyable speed and bump up the cap so we can actually use the service without feeling like theres a gun pointed at our heads.. Theres no point in all these fast speeds with these pathetic caps and overages.. Specially with them still charging the same monthly fee's that a couple years ago let us have unlimited usages