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FIOS is plenty profitable mr. troll. | |
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| Not VZ, but someone else? Fiber is the future. And short-sighted money grabs are what the legacy telcos and cablecos have sought out.
While DOCSIS 3.0 is very capable, I think the market will be there for FTTH and if Verizon/AT&T/Comcast aren't interested in bringing it, they run the risk of being displaced out of the market by someone else.
Companies have done this for years. Think short-term, lose long-term. This is why always being pressured by Wall Street has sunk a lot of companies. They want to milk existing industries for all they're worth, but never invest in what's new. Imagine if Sears got into discounting, Kodak into digital photography, Blockbuster came up with streaming first. Companies that have been deemed irrelevant by a changing world could have embedded themselves for future generations.
The only difference is that telcos and cablecos have the advantage of government largely colluding to protect them. That's why some of these things are so alarming in this industry. | |
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| Re: Not VZ, but someone else? YEP!
Companies have done this for years. Think short-term, lose long-term. This is why always being pressured by Wall Street has sunk a lot of companies. They want to milk existing industries for all they're worth, but never invest in what's new.
BTW, this is the mentality that is KILLING this country...
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| | | | Re: Not VZ, but someone else? Not really they are going to be able to push speed thru wireless that will be compariable to what the average person would ever need | |
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1 edit | Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by tl1018 :Not really they are going to be able to push speed thru wireless that will be comparable to what the average person would ever need
Different people have different needs, so generic statements like that are meaningless..
Secondly, I have NEVER had a wireless signal that was stable, and in many cases the signal was so poor I couldn't hit top speeds...
I don't see it improving anytime soon. 
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| Re: Not VZ, but someone else? Wireless will always have less bandwidth and reliability than wired, but for outlying areas that have no good wired connectivity, LTE could be great. However, we've heard that Wifi and then WiMAX were going to serve these areas, and so far they haven't. Hopefully it changes this time around. | |
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kudos:4 | said by osravens:While DOCSIS 3.0 is very capable, I don't see any cable provider even D3 ones offering 35mbps UPLOAD!
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power users can get by with 10 or 15Mbps. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by fifty nine:The average home user doesn't need more than 1Mbps upload, if that much.
power users can get by with 10 or 15Mbps.
and 640k is enough for everyone. Get real corporate shill. | |
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Today's high res cameras output some pretty sizeable files. | |
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Today's high res cameras output some pretty sizeable files.
I do, quite often in fact. Our EOS 5D MkII produces sizable files with its 25 megapixels, as do the other DSLR bodies we use in our studio.
But I doubt that people are uploading hundreds of RAW files from a $2500 camera. Most people are uploading JPEGs from small consumer cameras and smartphones and the last time I uploaded to facebook and photo printing services their app didn't take much time at all. I only have 5Mbps upload. I uploaded low res to print 5x7s and the prints from full, high res files were indistinguishable from those produced with low res uploads.
The average home user needs more download, as the average home user is more of a consumer of content rather than a producer. And with new compression technology even full HD video can be transmitted over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality. | |
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| Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by fifty nine:. I only have 5Mbps upload. I uploaded low res to print 5x7s and the prints from full, high res files were indistinguishable from those produced with low res uploads.
The average home user needs more download, as the average home user is more of a consumer of content rather than a producer. And with new compression technology even full HD video can be transmitted over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.
Your right there. I guess I'm just bitter with a 1mbps upload from Service Electric. That's nice you get 5mbps. I'd have to DOUBLE my monthly bill to upgrade to 5mbps upload. (In excess of $100 a month). | |
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1 edit | said by fifty nine:over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.
A: "little" is subjective.
B: I prefer NO degradation..
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| | | | | | | | Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by Miataman:said by fifty nine:over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.
A: "little" is subjective.
B: I prefer NO degradation..
Then you can pay for a commercial connection if your needs are that critical. | |
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EARTH | iPhone 4S can pump out a gig in a few minutes. Throw that on YouTube, and you've got a use for that upload. Add online backup and Dropbox, and that's a lot of data being moved. | |
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| Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by BiggA:iPhone 4S can pump out a gig in a few minutes. Throw that on YouTube, and you've got a use for that upload. Add online backup and Dropbox, and that's a lot of data being moved.
Add another user or three, and see how much upload gets used in "normal" activities.
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Fort Worth, TX | said by fifty nine:said by cypherstream:I guess you never had to upload batches of pictures or home videos to family members on photo / video sharing sites, or heck even facebook.
Today's high res cameras output some pretty sizeable files.
I do, quite often in fact. Our EOS 5D MkII produces sizable files with its 25 megapixels, as do the other DSLR bodies we use in our studio. But I doubt that people are uploading hundreds of RAW files from a $2500 camera. Most people are uploading JPEGs from small consumer cameras and smartphones and the last time I uploaded to facebook and photo printing services their app didn't take much time at all. I only have 5Mbps upload. I uploaded low res to print 5x7s and the prints from full, high res files were indistinguishable from those produced with low res uploads. The average home user needs more download, as the average home user is more of a consumer of content rather than a producer. And with new compression technology even full HD video can be transmitted over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality. Maybe I am nuts but I absolutely enjoy my 35mbit FIOS service. The upload is a HUGE selling point for me. I can essentially setup services and save large amounts of cash on dedicated systems. | |
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| said by fifty nine:The average home user doesn't need more than 1Mbps upload, if that much.
How do you come up with that determination??
I love when people throw around numbers like this.
You do realize that demands for MORE upload bandwidth is one of the chief complaints among users...
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by JRW2:How do you come up with that determination??
I love when people throw around numbers like this.
You do realize that demands for MORE upload bandwidth is one of the chief complaints among users...
Don't expect fifty nine to get it at all. | |
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| Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by brad:Don't expect fifty nine to get it at all.
I don't, there are too many people who have a myopic view on many subjects.
In this case many people feel that if they don't have any need for it, then no one else does either. 
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| | | | | | said by JRW2:How do you come up with that determination??
I love when people throw around numbers like this.
You do realize that demands for MORE upload bandwidth is one of the chief complaints among users...
Among which users? Maybe the techno geeks here but not the general population. | |
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| Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by fifty nine:Among which users? Maybe the techno geeks here but not the general population.
In my job I deal with many people who are NOT techno-Geeks, and more than three quarters of them complain about how long it takes to upload things...
That is several hundred people.....
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: Not VZ, but someone else? said by JRW2:In my job I deal with many people who are NOT techno-Geeks, and more than three quarters of them complain about how long it takes to upload things...
That is several hundred people.....
See. I told you he wouldn't get it. He's stuck in his lala land. | |
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Collegeville, PA | The phrase "if you build it they will come" comes to mind. If you build a network and offer speeds in excess of what people need and want today, innovation will come and find uses for it.
It wasn't long ago that the average home user didn't have a home network and was streaming Netflix, but that's changed today thanks to the advances in technology.
Of course we could have "gotten by" with dial up, 1 PC in the house, and cell phones with voice only and no touchscreens... | |
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| | | | | | Re: Not VZ, but someone else? Except that the average home broadband connection is designed primarily for content consumption.
I think some of you have the idea that you are supposed to be able to run things like servers on a residential connection. That would be pretty much the only scenario where you need constantly fast high upload.
Even online backup doesn't need a fast upload connection. You're not doing full backups every night. | |
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| Dumb move, it will cost them. The original idea to convert the copper to fiber was a bold move, and pure genius. It took someone who thought out farther than five years and could see the savings they were buying to make this decision.
Sadly, the rest of those in charge were not.
Canceling the FIOS roll-outs will cost them in the future, more than it would have had they continued.
LTE may be cheaper now, but it is going to cost them in the near future to stay with broadband trends for more speeds.
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kudos:4 |  Fine print of deal will eventually come out anyway
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The details of the deal will eventually come out. Either thru DOJ looking at deal for anti-trust oversight, or because some 3rd party will file a civil anti-trust lawsuit against the deal. Legal discovery results will eventually be made public by court order or will be leaked.
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| Re: Fine print of deal will eventually come out anyway said by Romney2012:The details of the deal will eventually come out. Either thru DOJ looking at deal for anti-trust oversight, or because some 3rd party will file a civil anti-trust lawsuit against the deal. Legal discovery results will eventually be made public by court order or will be leaked.
By then it may be too late...
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| Is Comcast on top now? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean that Comcast is the only true winner here for the time being? U-verse's technology doesn't compare, and Verizon has stopped building. Other cable companies like Brighthouse, etc. are not nearly as big as the others (at&t, Verizon, Comcast).
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| Re: Is Comcast on top now? This deal, if we read into it correctly, means that in many suburban/exurban/rural areas, Comcast, Time Warner and BrightHouse have been given exclusive status as a broadband provider. And there's still plenty of major cities where FiOS never got wired to all residences, and some like Baltimore and Boston, who didn't get it at all.
Verizon here offers 3 Mbps DSL max. What incentive does Atlantic Broadband have to ever upgrade the network here? The highest speed tier we have is 15/1.5. While some areas have seen D3 with ABB, we haven't. Think Verizon's lack of interest here is part of the reason why? I do. | |
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Hopefully not, because I think "Xfinity Wireless" would fail miserably.
They will. The cable companies will have the option to become a MNVO after a certain period of time as it stated in the original article.
over time, the cable companies will have the option of selling Verizon Wireless' service on a wholesale basis. | |
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Camden, TN | FCC will kill this deal The FCC will allow Verizon to buy the spectrum and that's it. All of this side deal shit will NOT be allowed. | |
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| | | Re: FCC will kill this deal Yeah?! All of this side deal shit is just that, side deal. The FCC can't force VZ to continue deploying FiOS or even keep offering the service. Without this the cable co's would not sell the spectrum to VZ. | |
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| | | said by BF69:The FCC will allow Verizon to buy the spectrum and that's it. All of this side deal shit will NOT be allowed.
But the FCC won't force them to expand.
FiOS is way too expensive anyway and is overkill for most home users. | |
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Third world countries use fiber optics.
Are you suggesting that they are overkilling their infrastructure?
Give me a break. | |
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| | | | | Re: FCC will kill this deal said by HaloFans:FiOS is not overkill.
Third world countries use fiber optics.
Are you suggesting that they are overkilling their infrastructure?
Give me a break.
The average home user does not need more than about 10Mbps at the current time. 5Mbps would be fine for most people in fact.
35, 50, 100Mbps IS overkill for most residential users. The only reason FiOS has penetration is because they are offering better prices than the competition. People (as in not the techno geeks here) switch to cable providers when Verizon doesn't give them a good deal price wise. They don't really care about the tech details, they just care about the bottom line, which is $
I have 50Mbps but rarely ever have the need for it. I use a 7Mbps DSL line at another location and to me the experience for average use is about the same. | |
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Camden, TN | said by fifty nine:said by BF69:The FCC will allow Verizon to buy the spectrum and that's it. All of this side deal shit will NOT be allowed.
But the FCC won't force them to expand. FiOS is way too expensive anyway and is overkill for most home users. No they can't force but they could say "You know maybe let you have half and give at&t the other half" | |
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| This is all theoretical The reason FIOS stopped the buildout is simple, their market penetration was too low in existing markets, I'm a lucky one and FIOS is available where I live, and I can tell you this, it's happening but one by one friends and family are switching to FIOS, because they hate the cable companies (Comcast and Cablevision in my area) crappy service, market penetration will increase and it may take a long time years and years before Verizon restarts the deployment but I think it will happen, DOCSIS 3.0 can only go so far, and Verizon above all wants more of customers money, they may settle for a few more LTE customers through cable deals for a few years, but eventually when FIOS market penetration becomes high enough and they are making good money on FIOS, they will continue to deploy to markets that look profitable, Like Boston which never saw a deployment and other places like it.
If your in a rural area though don't expect it even then, I don't think they ever planned to expand there. | |
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| | | Re: This is all theoretical Sure, but since Boston is a city in Mass, they could take advantage of the new state "Light Plant" law, start some electric service for the city snowplow yard or something similar, then finance and build a municipal fiber system as part of the "Light Plant." VZ would squawk, but so what.
Result: the biggest city in NE would have the best fiber, and all the economic development, as well a a potful of TV/internet profits, while VZ plays tic-tac-toe on their smartphone keyboards.
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| shakeout.. There is no guarantee that wireless will be this huge money maker that will be accepted as a 100% replacement for wireline. The only reason why someone might think this is the case is because there is a **POSSIBLE** scheme underway by AT&T and Comcast to NOT develop broadband so that wireless may flourish and companies can reap huge profits from a more "REAL" resource of scarcity (so the theory goes). Afterall, airwaves are more prescious than a virtually limitless swath of fiber optic cables, right?!
Let's see how long that lasts before consumers begin the drumbeat of pushing companies to do better or lose their exclusive duopoly / monopoly status. Wireless is NOT a replacement technology for landline/wireline.
Also, let us not forget these are the same greedy bastards behind trying to shape the internet for special interests like SOPA. With millions of FIOS customers at stake, I doubt Verizon wants to be associated with this kind of corruption in the ISP market. | |
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In europe hspa+ dc took deployment in most places and caps come as high as 50 gb or even 80 gb. Some places have LTE already with similar enjoyable caps. And often offer fixed installation at homes like clearwire does here with WiMAX.
It will be interesting or not too see how the US will compete in the next few years. Even vdsl in most countries will have more capacity than what u-verse has here.
Our wireless industry will be dogged by low speeds and unreliability due to over reliance on the radio waves. | |
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New Orleans, LA | Anyone see the letter that Verizon wrote back to the NYT?
A Verizon person basically copy/pasted the same 3 lines that Verizon states (it brings more competition, lower prices, etc...) and that was it.
Nothing to back up the claims, nothing. Just the same sentences and that was it.
I honestly believe that Verizon has just given up trying to actually rationalize its decisions to consumers or really anyone outside its stockholders | |
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| | | Re: Anyone see the letter that Verizon wrote back If a corporation says it enough, it must be true!
End result: Higher prices, monopoly power, and bought off politicians. A continuation of the status quo. | |
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A Verizon person basically copy/pasted the same 3 lines that Verizon states (it brings more competition, lower prices, etc...) and that was it.
Nothing to back up the claims, nothing. Just the same sentences and that was it.
I honestly believe that Verizon has just given up trying to actually rationalize its decisions to consumers or really anyone outside its stockholders
Kind of like Republicans then. | |
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Verizon will force the union to walk out again and use the cable companies to keep customers happy. Negotiations are going no where for a new contract. Verizon management could keep up with the work load of repairs and they did little to no installs and that is the real driving force behind the cable deals. Take or leave it I can care less.
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| "This is FIOS, this is SMALL!" That should be the taglines on the trucks since (in the grand scheme of things) they only cover a very SMALL footprint of the US.
Unless they can come with a more efficient way to deliver via some kind of wireless or magic DSL technology...
My area is a mere 30 minute drive from the closest Fios deployment. So yes, I've seen fios... but sadly will never get it at home. I don't even live in a bad area either.
That's too bad Verizon. Your loss. You could of had many more potential customers. If you build it, they will come. Unfortinately you won't build it. Verizon DSL tops out at 3mbps here. Cable is 50mbps on the top tier, and Comcast a mile away has a 105mbps package.
Seems like Fios is old news. | |
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| | | Re: "This is FIOS, this is SMALL!" said by cypherstream:My area is a mere 30 minute drive from the closest Fios deployment. I'm just 600 FEET from a Fios area, but Verizon says they won't make it available to us. So I get to pay Cablevision's high rates. | |
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| | FIOS Expansion Plans If FIOS was truly halting plans, shouldn't there be some some of indicator in their SEC filings? I would think that would be material information that current and future investors would like to know.
Maybe not right away, but should be not that far out. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: FIOS Expansion Plans said by CrobertGauth:If FIOS was truly halting plans, shouldn't there be some some of indicator in their SEC filings? I would think that would be material information that current and future investors would like to know.
Maybe not right away, but should be not that far out.
You must be living under a rock. They already said they won't be expanding any further. | |
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| | Community Fiber Community Fiber or even nationwide fiber is the only way to go. If we weren't spending so much money on foreign entanglements we were warned about, we could spend it at home. (Why not vote for a candidate who actually doesn't like war? I cry inside when I hear people like dick morris call a candidate who doesn't like war but does like personal freedoms - dangerous)
Anyway, FTTP or GO. | |
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| | | Re: Community Fiber Corporate ISPs have conspired together and successfully made it illegal on the state-level whenever it is proposed. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: Community Fiber said by Wilsdom:Corporate ISPs have conspired together and successfully made it illegal on the state-level whenever it is proposed.
Which is beyond ridiculous. "We won't do it for the customer so you can't either." | |
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New Orleans, LA | And yet whenever we try to scrap these idiotic, monopolistic rules....we are screamed at for being "UnAmerican" and love "Government intervention"
Idiots | |
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Santa Monica, CA Reviews:
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| said by biochemistry:Community Fiber or even nationwide fiber is the only way to go. If we weren't spending so much money on foreign entanglements we were warned about, we could spend it at home.
Considering that we're spending almost twice as much as we collect in tax revenues, any savings from isolationism should not be "spent" at all, but used to eliminate our debt, and then refunded to the taxpayers, who can decide best for themselves, if they want to buy fiber services. | |
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Pompton Lakes, NJ | Verizon Verizon's build out was designed to be in affluent communities. If you look at the average income of where FTTH is deployed the income is above the national average. Verizon is only going to where the demographics are going to pay. They will not deploy in low income areas. So they are now at a standstill.
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| | | Re: Verizon I live in a very affluent area. No Fios for me. But it's available in the less-affluent area 600 feet away. It's even available in slums like Passaic, NJ. | |
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Pennsville, NJ Reviews:
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| Thats not true in my area. They deployed it to the county seat. That town has the lowest income in the county. EVERY town that surrounds it has higher per capita income and more residents. Cherry picking in my area? not so much.
Cable internet in my town is decent $33.03 for 25/5. But id still jump to FIOS in a heartbeat | |
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·Bright House
| FTTH not needed for a while.. You guys realize that there ARE ways to offer higher upload speeds to customers with docsis 3. The need/demand isn't there which is why its not being done. Just with 4 16qam upstream channels you can reliably do about 10mb up consistently. Many companies are employing or testing 32 and 64 qam upstream channels which will allow even more. When they really get hungry for upload they can replace that diplex filters set around 50mhz up wherever they want it, dump analog 2,3,4,5 etc and bond several more channels together AND start getting away from the noise issues found in the sub low band and even potentially offer 256qam upstream channels.
The potential and technology are there, Its just not cheap and its not needed yet. Of course, the 10 of you on here will argue that it is needed but think of the other 99% of internet users and what they are doing. There not going to spend tens of millions on the 1% | |
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| Re: FTTH not needed for a while.. said by tim tim tim:You guys realize that there ARE ways to offer higher upload speeds to customers with docsis 3. Docsis is fully capable of 240mbits down and 120-160( I think 160 up is Euro docsis 3)...
**however, the market forces outside of the pitiful competition we see with Verizon and Cablevision (NY metro) are just not going anywhere but to a stagnation of paying more and getting less. the cable industry will have to face up to their challenge of cannibaizing VIDEO services to move forward with their business model-- much in the same way PART of telco did with cannibalizing "COMMERCIAL GRADE & HIGH QUALITY QOS" ISDN/long distance ethernet services over copper/fiber lines in the past by deploying similar services to residential customers.
For that to move forward, alot of top managment at AT&T and Comcast would have to no longer be with the company for this to happen. I can think of several ways for that to happen.. many are not quite nice for them.. and I'd rather stay on topic. You can also consider a 3rd carrier entering the race should this stagnation of duopoly continue for too long a time-- then docsis nearly becomes irrelevant. A new company would most likely choose FTTP for a new build. Docsis 3 was not meant to compete with 500-1000mbits to the home symmetrical fiber. | |
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| | Verizon-CableVision-CWA Add to that, the fact that CWA, the Union that represents Verizon Employees, is actively trying to Unionize CableVision employess. Yep, say good bye to FIOS. | |
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| | It will not change for a while Alot of people do not understand it's not all about giving what the customers want when the return is 10 years out. Investors want results now, not later.
Fiber to the home great, but to build out the cost add up and take years to pay off.
Paying for Permits to Dig
Materials
Labor (planning, installation, Build out of network, etc)
Cost to Carry networks, etc
It is just costly and return is not over night. It will always be all about the money and stretching their current tech out as far as they can...for any provider | |
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CenturyLink is our local Teleco. They are pitching Prism. All these schemes like U-Verse, FiOS and Prism appear to have the same problem, significant limitations as to the number of simultaneous channels that can be viewed. Prism offers two HD Streams and two SD streams. That sucks if you want to have seven televisions in your home accessing different channels.