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| first yea i came across this yesterday and was dissappointed that i didn't get a chance to participate.... i mean i can understand that microsoft wants to have "control" over all of the distribution but what does it really matter in the end if they're just gonna give it out to everyone anyway?
They should roll with new technologies, not try to fight them.
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 | SaBo7Ge
join:2003-03-12
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1 edit | Re: first The reason is quite simple actually.. Allowing anyone to host and seed a torrent means microsoft can't always verfify the consistency of the data being shared.. This can allow for tampering of products which could place the author partly responsible if they don't try to keep control over their sources of distribution... | |
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| | Goldengamego
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
1 edit | Re: first said by SaBo7Ge  :
The reason is quite simple actually.. Allowing anyone to host and seed a torrent means microsoft can't always verfify the consistency of the data being shared.. This can allow for tampering of products which could place the author partly responsible if they don't try to keep control over their sources of distribution...
Then why don't they just integrate BT into BITS/AU and Windows Update? They could save millions in bandwidth.
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
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| Re: first said by Goldengamego :
Then why don't they just integrate BT into BITS/AU and Windows Update? They could save millions in bandwidth.
They will .... eventually. MS moves slowly toward new technology unless:
1) some new technology company has already started to remove marketshare from something MS already does,
2) they can go out and purchase a small company that already polished a new tech for them.
When they actually have to integrate a new-into-existing technology all by themselves MS tends to play the lumbering giant; big, slow, dumb. It's the nature of a large marketing entity rather than a development entity. | |
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join:2004-07-15
Paris, IL | Re: first ...And when/if MS does add some BT capability to their software distribution, you can be sure it will be fscked beyond recognition. | |
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join:2004-06-24
Regina, SK
| Re: first The other problem with using BT to to distribute (although only if it is integrated to the update process) is the very nature of BT. It is a "tit for tat" filesharing system, which requires you to upload in order to download. Anyone remember Kazaa? I can already imagine the number of people getting upset that MS is "stealing" their bandwidth, even if it is in a licensing agreement, just because that's the way people are. This is especially true when you factor in the lovely bitcaps some providers have, and large downloads like SP2. Allowing people to use it freely would be cool, but MS would have to keep a careful distance from it because anyone can post a torrent file, based on what they want to call it, as opposed to the actual contents of the file. | |
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
1 edit | Re: first The protocol is open and the code is available for modification (the license allows you to modify without releasing the modified source), it could be redone so the .torrent is passed to BITS/AU without any user interaction or just remove .torrents entirely.
BT is very different from that Kazaa crap, if enough seeds available you don't have to upload. Microsoft could config it so that only BB users will use BT (that would still save lots). With BT you only upload while you are downloading, after that Windows would install the update and delete the file.
Also don't bring up the whole corprate/school/goverment networks are behind a firewall thing, they use SUS to get their updates.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Goldengamego :
Then why don't they just integrate BT into BITS/AU and Windows Update? They could save millions in bandwidth.
Maybe because microsoft doesnt want people to have to endure BT's speed. i sure wouldnt want to download a 300mb service pack at 8kb/s.
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@adelphia.net | Re: first I got to download SP2 from this torrent before it was removed, it had plenty of seeds and I got speeds of 200Kb/s or more. If your getting low speeds it's because you don't have your firewall set to allow bittorrent the use of the ports it needs. | |
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Hope Tw Is Better
join:2003-06-29
Horseheads, NY
1 edit | QUOTE - "Maybe because microsoft doesnt want people to have to endure BT's speed. i sure wouldnt want to download a 300mb service pack at 8kb/s."
If you knew what you were doing you could just about max out your bandwidth- I use BT all the time and can get up to 320 KB/s with it.. You have to know how to configure your client, it's very easy if you take the time to read a few paragraphs and learn the basics. Don't just give up when you see it going slow for the first couple of minutes. | |
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
2 edits | Re: first said by adelphiasux :
QUOTE - "Maybe because microsoft doesnt want people to have to endure BT's speed. i sure wouldnt want to download a 300mb service pack at 8kb/s."
If you knew what you were doing you could just about max out your bandwidth- I use BT all the time and can get up to 320 KB/s with it.. You have to know how to configure your client, it's very easy if you take the time to read a few paragraphs and learn the basics. Don't just give up when you see it going slow for the first couple of minutes.
No kidding, I have seen 622KB/s downloading Knoppix off BT
It all depends on 4 things,
1. Good config (not firewalled, low packet loss).
2. Good tracker (powerfull CPU, lots of RAM, decent upload bandwidth).
3. Ratio of seeds to leaches.
4. Number of firewalled leaches (lots of these will really slow things down).
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| | | | | | adelphiasux
Hope Tw Is Better
join:2003-06-29
Horseheads, NY
1 edit | Re: first quote:
"No kidding, I have seen 622KB/s downloading Knoppix off BT
It all depends on 4 things,
1. Good config (not firewalled, low packet loss).
2. Good tracker (powerfull CPU, lots of RAM, decent upload bandwidth).
3. Ratio of seeds to leaches.
4. Number of firewalled leaches (lots of these will really slow things down).
yeah and before I got my router I used Sygate personal Firewall 5.5 pro and still got great results- using a software firewall is not a problem for me. Now I'm going through a router and haven't even tried BT download yet. Azureus is the way to go for configurability- it works great.
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join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA | Ever heard of MD5 or SHA? | |
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join:2001-10-21
Poughkeepsie, NY
| Re: first Ever heard of Microsoft security holes and/or uneducated/unknowing users? BT may have lots of potential, but distributing critical OS updates likely isn't the place to start.
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BonezX
Basement Dweller
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join:2004-04-13
Canada | Re: first not only that, but if you ever work tech support you will learn, people (atleast a large percentage of them) when it comes to computers are as dumb as sh** on the ground and less useful | |
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Desi
Premium
join:2002-05-05
Kanata, ON
clubs: | Battle Torrent Its called "Battle Torrent", not "Blog Torrent"...
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| Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| HL2 & BT Bit Torrent has tons of potential legally. Just recently Valve partnered up with Bram (creator of Bit Torrent) to help distribute the gcf file for things like the HL2 preload, CS:S Beta, etc...to help alleviate server load on the Steam servers.
The only problem is that BT is known for piracy and companies don't like to mess with software that has been used in illegal manners. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: HL2 & BT BT has not as of yet been integrated into steam, nor have their been any announcements that it will be, nor does steam exhibit the behaviors of BT distribution. That steam uses BT is a rumor that was started by people who hate steam and needed something else to hate about it (ie:valve stealing their bandwidth to distribute files).
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Hope Tw Is Better
join:2003-06-29
Horseheads, NY
1 edit | said by Jonbo298 :
The only problem is that BT is known for piracy and companies don't like to mess with software that has been used in illegal manners.
Yeah that is ridiculous- Windows has been used illegally to write spyware/ viruses/ etc- People use everything and anything "illegally", that doesn't make whatever they use bad, it's just how they use it.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people.."
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5c077
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join:2003-01-28
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| should be legal! It is being used more and more for legit stuff, I see bit torrent game demo links more and more now. Just because it is being used illegally doesn't mean it should be illegal. Car's are used illegally to, so are kitchen knives, fire, and any other object that can be used as a weapon, should those be illegal to??
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| joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL | Re: should be legal! Who said BT was illegal? | |
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Leynos
join:2001-05-20
Somerville, MA
| Valve.Torrent Valve has not incorporated BT into Steam. There is no proof that BT will be incorporated into Steam. Valve hired Bram to, most likely from my guess, incorporate something like BT into Steam. Why would Valve pay him to incorporate something that's free domain? I bet they'd rather pick him up, create a good central distributing with a bit if the p2p sharing and then try to license it out to other companies. Much like the same way MS buys out small companies with good products, Valve is doing the same. I believe it's a good step forward cause... well, does anyone remember when Steam was first launched? Imagine going through that for EVERY new game release. I'd rather share some of my bandwidth to help keep the servers intact so I can PLAY the darn game I payed for. Just my .02s. | |
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@sfldmi.ameritech
| Re: Valve.Torrent "Valve hired Bram to, most likely from my guess, incorporate something like BT into Steam. Why would Valve pay him to incorporate something that's free domain? "
Blizzard Hired Bram to do just that for there world of warcraft beta Distribution. | |
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Troy Brown
join:2004-04-10
New Albany, IN | Linspire uses BT... I downloaded a copy of Linspire and they (Lindows) used a BT file with a link to BitTornado.
My download speed was 160kbps on my DSL.:D | |
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cambit69
join:2003-09-22
El Cerrito, CA
| BT already being used in file distribution I just wanted to add my little bit of tidbit info. BT distribution has already been integrated into WoW (World of Warcraft's Beta distribution system and will most likely be used in the final release as well. For those who dont know what WoW is, its a an mmorpg that is currently being beta tested and the client is about 1.5GB's | |
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