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EFF Lawsuit Over Surveillance Moves Forward
Group Aims to 'Restore Americans' Constitutional Rights'
by Karl Bode 08:42AM Tuesday Jul 09 2013
According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a Federal Judge this week rejected the government's attempts to bury the organization's lawsuit over domestic surveillance, and allowed the EFF's lawsuit to continue (though some of the statutory claims were dismissed). "Over the last month, we came face-to-face with new details of mass, untargeted collection of phone and Internet records, substantially confirmed by the Director of National Intelligence," states the EFF. "Today's decision sets the stage for finally getting a ruling that can stop the dragnet surveillance and restore Americans' constitutional rights."

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dr3yec

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About time

Hey I am for anything that will stop this corrupt administration from doing more damage. All this snooping is way out of control.

Kilroy
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Re: About time

Sorry to say it is just this it isn't just this administration, it is also those that came before and those that will follow.

cornelius786

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Re: About time

I agree on that. It annoys me when people specifically blame part X, group X, or persons X (i don't know if 'administration' was aimed just at obama & 'company' or just a generic term for recent administrations). When in reality (according to me, and only me) numerous groups and people had a hand in the current problem/mess/crisis/bailout/etc at present. I suppose one to argue the passing bill/order X done by person X broke the camel's back, but let's not forget the camel was already loaded to capacity.
Katzendreck

join:2003-09-29
Calgary, AB

\o/

Bless you EFF.

Don't donate to politicians, donate to groups like EFF that help preserve individual liberties.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: \o/

Another way to donate to EFF and get something in return is to donate to humblebundle.com games and content - you can decide how much goes to developer and EFF. All content/games are DRM free and usually multi-platform. I've donated to several bundles and to EFF in the process.

David
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Re: \o/

said by xenophon:

Another way to donate to EFF and get something in return is to donate to humblebundle.com games and content - you can decide how much goes to developer and EFF. All content/games are DRM free and usually multi-platform. I've donated to several bundles and to EFF in the process.

Might IM that to karl4 See Profile in case he doesn't see this
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intok

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Re: \o/

They let you customize how much of what you want to pay to the various game devs, charities and HIB administration.

The HIBs are pay what you want, you can even pay $0.01 and get everything they offer if you get in before they start adding more content. As they add content the added content only becomes available to new buyers that pay at least the average price currently being paid. Anyone that bough before new content was added gets grandfathered in to the new content no matter what they paid.
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wkm001

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There seems to be two schools of though

People are mad and hopeless or just don't care. I'm in the mad and hopeless group. The day after we found out what did you do differently? Did you not make phone calls, surf the web, text, send/receive email? Of course you did! All while KNOWING the government is watching you. Each day you use these services you get a little more use to that fact. So damn sad.

jap
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Re: There seems to be two schools of though

said by Katzendreck:

Bless you EFF.

Indeed. I've tremendous respect for the EFF. They remain diligently focused on fundamentals and plug along without getting caught-up in the sort of vapid posturing & rhetoric that plagues and fragments other organizations. Solidity in a world of mush.

said by wkm001:

People are mad and hopeless or just don't care.

Agreed. There's alot of plain old disillusionment amongst the citizenry these days. We've been disenfranchised from the political process by the business and super wealth segments of society. Capitalism run amok, I'm afraid.
CXM_Splicer
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But the problem isn't people using the services, the problem is the monitoring. Just because I call and order Mexican food doesn't mean I accept the monitoring... just means I want the food to be ready when I get there.
Telco

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To the contrary. Libertarian types or ultra liberals are the main folks who are paranoid about this crap. Moreover, are actually delusional enough to believe that the big bad government has nothing better to do than monitor 310 million people, let alone their own nobody (average Joe) life.

All while the rich and the unaccountable private sector continue on (business as usual) and actually do the very things these same ignorant and paranoid folks claim the democratically elected government by the majority is apparently doing. Because of course, sifting through data is the equivalent of 24/7 surveillance.
TechnoGeek

join:2013-01-07

Re: There seems to be two schools of though

Except this surveillance has already been abused:

See here: »www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won···ericans/

TL;DR: listening in on VERY PRIVATE soldiers calls from overseas because they are "entertaining."

I would not characterize myself as paranoid. I am concerned about giving someone so much power, power that corrupts.
CXM_Splicer
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said by Telco:

 
All while the rich and the unaccountable private sector continue on (business as usual) and actually do the very things these same ignorant and paranoid folks claim the democratically elected government by the majority is apparently doing. Because of course, sifting through data is the equivalent of 24/7 surveillance.

So you are saying that Google is recording my phone calls?
xenophon

join:2007-09-17
said by Telco:

To the contrary. Libertarian types or ultra liberals are the main folks who are paranoid about this crap.

Is more on the grounds that we operate on 'innocent until proven guilty'. Monitoring personal activity w/out a warrant and things like airport body scanners operate by default assuming 'guilty until proven innocent'. It's the principal of not becoming a police state, not paranoia.

That's not just a libertarian/ultra liberal view, some from all political sides see this - it's those who pander to fear who do not understand this. They'd rather give up liberty for a false sense of security - and then get neither.

DataRiker
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said by Telco:

To the contrary. Libertarian types or ultra liberals are the main folks who are paranoid about this crap. Moreover, are actually delusional enough to believe that the big bad government has nothing better to do than monitor 310 million people, let alone their own nobody (average Joe) life.

All while the rich and the unaccountable private sector continue on (business as usual) and actually do the very things these same ignorant and paranoid folks claim the democratically elected government by the majority is apparently doing. Because of course, sifting through data is the equivalent of 24/7 surveillance.

Come back to us when you're erroneously on the wrong side of a government investigation.

These people have the power to absolutely destroy your life without recourse, and you have no problem with letting them have all your personal details with out an order from a "real" judge????

WHT

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