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EFF Ranks Obama NSA 'Reforms' at 3.5 Out of 10
by Karl Bode 08:17AM Tuesday Jan 21 2014
Last week the President revealed his much awaited NSA reforms, and while modestly better than some leaks had suggested, they fell well short of the changes his own advisory panels recommended. Mark the EFF down as particularly unimpressed; the group posting a scorecard for the reforms that rank them at 3.5 out of a possible 12. Failures to seriously stop mass surveillance, silence on the erosion of encryption standards, refusal to make the FISA court more transparent, and the continued vilification of Snowden instead of appreciating the Democratic value of whistle blowers all leave the NSA disappointed.
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KrK
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The EFF is feeling generous

3.5 out of 12 is more then I would score him on NSA activities.
jc100

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Better Score than Obama's Presidency

His EFF scorecard is better than his presidency ratings.

Mission Accomplished: Terrorists have Won.

- Handed away our rights
- Allowed for unfettered expansion of big brother
- Government has no intentions on dialing back (Only Expanding)
- Reforms are superficial.

There will come a day when our children ask about freedom. To that, we'll answer, what freedoms? We traded them for short term gain, which didn't make us more safe, but made us less free.
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Re: Better Score than Obama's Presidency

and the kicker is that we're paying for it!

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Of course your scorecard is right off the deep end.
jc100

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Re: Better Score than Obama's Presidency

Define Deep End... Everything I said is rooted within reality.
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SAT Scoring

He would have a negative mark.

invalidname

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Typo in last sentence

"…all leave the NSA disappointed" — I think you mean "all leave the EFF disappointed." I imagine the NSA is quite pleased with the President's non-reforms.

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very selectively worded poll...

... Ask the right questions and you can score anywhere for 0-12 on any scorecard.
This appears to be further vilification of the NSA and Obama, trying to distract from Snowden's actions.
I blame Christie, who will claim he didn't know who he was pissing on because his fat got in the way.

I suppose the scorecard thing will be a metaphor for yet another failed Russian Olympic games.

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Re: very selectively worded poll...

while snowdens actions weren't legal I can't begin to imagine a situation where anyone would ever think that the NSA or Obama are doing things in a legal manner let alone ethically or morally acceptable.

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Re: very selectively worded poll...

No one is happy with the need or the results.
I think this story is filler/spin at best.
loading more in the "America Sucks at everything" mindset,
rather than "America isn't perfect but when we really focus we can accomplish anything" but that doesn't sell papers bits.

Time to stop whining and do something positive
rdmiller

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Incredibly obvious!

The solution is incredible obvious. Have the phone companies turn their metadata over to Google, making it the defacto Repository of Everything.

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Re: Incredibly obvious!

And then store it at Target*, how far wrong could it go?

*when your logo is a bullseye on everything you touch, you are asking for it.

anon_anon

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No matter who or which of the 2 parties you elect

The new boss is going to be the same as the old boss as far as NSA surveillance is concerned. Nobody wants to appear soft on national security, and if someone were to pose a credible challenge to the NSA, that person will find their career ended by hook or by crook.
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Re: No matter who or which of the 2 parties you elect

going back to another poster.. both sides are crooks it's just that the one in power hides it better

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National Security

I'd like a little privacy but I'd also like to feel safe.

I think we need more surveillance of foreign threats, especially after the Boston Marathon incident, which hit a little too close to home for me. So I'd trade a little privacy for the ability to go to bed at night knowing the government is fighting terrorism. I just don't think the current president is doing the job right (and I didn't vote for him either in the second election).
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Re: National Security

said by IowaCowboy:

I'd like a little privacy but I'd also like to feel safe.

I think we need more surveillance of foreign threats, especially after the Boston Marathon incident, which hit a little too close to home for me. So I'd trade a little privacy for the ability to go to bed at night knowing the government is fighting terrorism. I just don't think the current president is doing the job right (and I didn't vote for him either in the second election).

Feeling safe and actually being safe are two different things. All NSA is giving you is an illusion of safety when in reality they are absolutely powerless against lone-wolf or non-organization tied terrorists that make bombs out of blasting powder or fertilizer or other means without outside support.

Besides Russians warned twice, TWICE! about these Chechen Boston guys and nothing was done by the US.

By all means... you want to fell "safe" petition government for a program of voluntary install of cameras and microphones on everything you own...I'm sure government will protect you. Just don't force these views on me or rest of country.

Just so you know, you are more likely( about x8) to get killed by a cop than a terrorist attack in US... enjoy your safety.

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Re: National Security

I felt safe during 9/11. I feel safe every day.

I don't feel safe when people say that they would rather have the government not do anything.
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Re: National Security

Who said do nothing? Don't fill in the blanks when they are not presented.

How about actually doing something that works and have proven results... profile and infiltrate high-risk organizations and have communique and people information networks. You know... the stuff that actually gives you more definite info as well as actually requiring getting off their ass, doing field work and making international channels instead of whacking off to useless metadata and USA's citizens' information.

Besides I will reiterate example above ... Russians warned the FBI twice about those two animals being linked with extremist Muslim groups... and they pretty much ignored all of it. Apparently when useful information is presented in front of the late government they ignore it but will happily invade your or anyone else's privacy for absolutely no justifiable results.

Once again lone-wolfs are an absolute nightmare in any scenario and anyone thinking that any system(including this late intrusion in private matters) will effectively provide complete safety is a fool to begin with.

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said by IowaCowboy:

I'd like a little privacy but I'd also like to feel safe.

I think we need more surveillance of foreign threats, especially after the Boston Marathon incident, which hit a little too close to home for me. So I'd trade a little privacy for the ability to go to bed at night knowing the government is fighting terrorism. I just don't think the current president is doing the job right (and I didn't vote for him either in the second election).

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin

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»3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_stat···sly.html

»www.lawfareblog.com/2011/07/what···ly-said/

"Those that deliberately misinterpret Franklin deserve to be quickly forgotten" - Anyone with more than half a brain
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Re: National Security

Nice to know as I hate perpetuating incorrect information, but I have to criticize that 3dblogger blog. He says times were quite different back then and we were trying to obtain freedom from a monarchy, which is not true.

We got pissed off over taxation without representation and decided that tea costed too much, so we effectively started a civil war over the price of tea. Not only that, we used guerrilla warfare, which was considered a dishonorable way of fighting.

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The tax on the tea (considered a necessity back then) was too much. and that the taxes went back to England/the crown rather than to the needs of the colonies which really didn't become a major issue until later in the 1760's.
A great deal of the colonial politics at that time were about the taxation by the colonies for development of the colonies were aggravated by the even higher taxes being exported to the crown. remember this was 20 years before independence, the current conflict was fighting the French and Indians and while anger/frustration was building the thought of breaking away from England was rarely thought of.

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Yeah

Yet another thing bush started and obama is trying to scale back whilst taking all heat/blame for it.

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Re: Yeah

Yeah. How people didn't see this results in 2001 is beyond me.

We fed the dog laxatives.

Then the dog shit on the rug and rolled around in it.

How the hell is this the dogs fault?
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JakCrow

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Obama is trying to scale back what exactly? His statements on the subject mean he wants to codify the right-violating actions of the NSA into law, not scale by diddly squat.

Azrah

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Re: Yeah

Last time I checked 3.5 was higher than 0 =)

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As with all "Pocketicians...he's blowing hot air. He's been nothing short of a HUGE monumental failure!

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Down with the NSA!

keep the circlejerk alive guys! keep it going. it's not old yet.
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Re: Down with the NSA!

said by ArrayList:

keep the circlejerk alive guys! keep it going. it's not old yet.

»i.imgur.com/QSIXlDP.jpg

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Re: Down with the NSA!

I thought the baby was the people crying about the spying.