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ESPN/Xbox 360 Deal Less Sexy Upon Closer Inspection
Follows ESPN 360 ISP restriction model...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 16-Jun-2010 tags: Video · business · alternatives
Last year ESPN unveiled a new business model for their streaming ESPN 360 video services, that included striking exclusive deals with ISPs, who then offered the content to their subscribers. If your ISP doesn't pony up the money? You can either beg them to pay ESPN a wad of money, or switch providers (assuming you have a choice). The model is difficult for smaller ISPs to afford, impacts consumer choice, ramps up consumer costs, and generally turns the idea of open access to content on its head, by making your view of the Internet different depending on your ISP.

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This week ESPN and Microsoft announced a new deal that will bring a flood of ESPN content to Xbox 360 subscribers. While the deal was heralded by some as a blow to traditional cable, ESPN has imposed restrictions on the deal that ensure it won't be (did you expect anything else?). Among those restrictions is the fact that users won't be able to access this content at all if they don't have an ISP that's paid ESPN for the privilege of offering ESPN 360. From ESPN's fine print:

"ESPN on Xbox LIVE, providing great content from ESPN3.com and ESPN.com, is only available to Xbox LIVE Gold members. For access to ESPN3.com content, Gold members must receive their Internet connection from an affiliated broadband provider."

Fortunately ESPN's ISP partner list is rather large, though it doesn't make this model any more compelling, nor change the fact that those without a choice of ISPs will struggle to get ESPN content. Of course ESPN has constricted precisely what content Xbox users will get (absent is the NFL, which continues a proud tradition of being slow to adapt to broadband), and while cricket matches and other marginal fare are in great supply, more compelling fare is largely absent to ensure their broadband video offering never really competes with traditional TV.

The content is also only available to Xbox users who pay an annual fee for Xbox Live Gold.

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ptrowski
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Stinks....

My cable provider is not on the list. Time to make the request!

PhoenixDown
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Re: Stinks....

My provider is not on the list -- I'm going to call them and ask them to keep it that way.
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canesfan2001

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Re: Stinks....

Amen.
I love to watch sports, but I don't want my internet connection going the way that cable TV has. I'd like to choose what i pay for, not have it forced on me because I want something else.
NeoandGeo

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Re: Stinks....

And yet there is a 99% chance you two are paying the same amount as anyone else.

aztecnology
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I've got w00t sauce, verizon + 360...

dvd536
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said by PhoenixDown:

My provider is not on the list -- I'm going to call them and ask them to keep it that way.
you mean you don't want a rate hike to pay for something you wont use?
what sucks is the proprietary software you have to download to use the service.
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R4M0N
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Two restrictions

1. ISP restriction
2. Live Gold membership restriction

So if you want to see ESPN content on the Xbox360, you have to pay extra for an ISP that offers it and then you have to pay extra for the Live Gold membership.

Anyone else want a piece too? Maybe the power company will want extra money every time the xb360 is streaming ESPN content...

And whoever says you don't need to pay extra for the ISP, guess who pays the costs of the ESPN license? Hint: It's not the shareholders.

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Re: Two restrictions

said by R4M0N:

1. ISP restriction
2. Live Gold membership restriction

So if you want to see ESPN content on the Xbox360, you have to pay extra for an ISP that offers it and then you have to pay extra for the Live Gold membership.

Anyone else want a piece too? Maybe the power company will want extra money every time the xb360 is streaming ESPN content...

And whoever says you don't need to pay extra for the ISP, guess who pays the costs of the ESPN license? Hint: It's not the shareholders.
I've had a Live Subscription for 7+ years so for me this would be an added bonus.
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BF69
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said by R4M0N:

1. ISP restriction
2. Live Gold membership restriction

So if you want to see ESPN content on the Xbox360, you have to pay extra for an ISP that offers it and then you have to pay extra for the Live Gold membership.

Anyone else want a piece too? Maybe the power company will want extra money every time the xb360 is streaming ESPN content...

And whoever says you don't need to pay extra for the ISP, guess who pays the costs of the ESPN license? Hint: It's not the shareholders.
For the record ISPs pay ESPN 5 cents per sub per month for ESPN3.

jmn1207
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Re: Two restrictions

said by BF69:

For the record ISPs pay ESPN 5 cents per sub per month for ESPN3.
Are you certain? I was under the impression that the price fluctuated depending on the number of subscribers. This was what made these "deals" so onerous toward smaller ISPs, as they had to pay a more substantial amount per subscriber to offer a similar level of service as an ISP with millions of subscribers. And if I remember correctly, the price difference for a smaller number of subscribers was considerably more, making it unrealistic for the smaller ISPs to compete, as it took away practically all of their profits.

Maybe things have changed, but I still loathe this type of business model. It takes away consumer control in the same manner that TV content has been pulled from our influence with regards to product supply and demand.

DarkLogix

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Re: Two restrictions

even if its 5cents per month the sheer idea is bad

don't go to the isp go to the viewer (its an internet pay per view so why limit it in this back water way?)

BF69
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said by jmn1207:

said by BF69:

For the record ISPs pay ESPN 5 cents per sub per month for ESPN3.
Are you certain? I was under the impression that the price fluctuated depending on the number of subscribers. This was what made these "deals" so onerous toward smaller ISPs, as they had to pay a more substantial amount per subscriber to offer a similar level of service as an ISP with millions of subscribers. And if I remember correctly, the price difference for a smaller number of subscribers was considerably more, making it unrealistic for the smaller ISPs to compete, as it took away practically all of their profits.

Maybe things have changed, but I still loathe this type of business model. It takes away consumer control in the same manner that TV content has been pulled from our influence with regards to product supply and demand.
it may be different depending on the ISP, but the fact it's 5 cents for some vs say the $5 that actual ESPN gets for the cable version means you really can't make the same "My costs are going up" comparison.

And yes this business model sucks

flrpwr

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said by R4M0N:

1. ISP restriction
2. Live Gold membership restriction

So if you want to see ESPN content on the Xbox360, you have to pay extra for an ISP that offers it and then you have to pay extra for the Live Gold membership.

Anyone else want a piece too? Maybe the power company will want extra money every time the xb360 is streaming ESPN content...

And whoever says you don't need to pay extra for the ISP, guess who pays the costs of the ESPN license? Hint: It's not the shareholders.
At least you get it. The cable cos are licensing it so its natural if ESPN wants them to continue to license it, that they limit it to the licensees. Its pretty much a "No Duh' situation when you lay it out. MS is not licensing the content, they are instead licensing you the software and network connection to access it, but yo still have to license it. So they made the agreement via ISP. Now I can't see it being hard to fool MS ISP identification, but that's another story. Unless they require some sort of account with that ISP such as a account and PW ID, in which case, security alert!

Since I know most TV providers are putting this in a higher up package, I wonder how are they going to verify you license it anyway. I suppose the ISP does and it's their problem after that, but I suspect there will be a legal battle over that soon. You clearly will not get this with the basic most TV package, but if you have it and internet, you can now watch it on your 360? And avoid the $200/month bill for that upper tier package? ESPN/MS versus Cableco's/Babybellsw/satelite-Tplay/Verizon/Frontier/etc. Looks like a royal rumble in the court room is a coming.

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said by R4M0N:

So if you want to see ESPN content on the Xbox360, you have to pay extra for an ISP that offers it
Unless you're one of the millions of households whose ISP already does, then it's not extra.

Van
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Thankfully I do both but I would be

pissed if my ISP didn't have ESPN360

I use it often

DarkLogix

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Re: Thankfully I do both but I would be

lol
if your able to use it then they do HAHA
axus

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My wife is happy that Verizon has ESPN360, but it plays no role at all in our choice of ISP. Anybody that cared so much would simply get a TV provider that carried the same thing.
chuckie1

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i pay enough already

i don't mind paying the $50/year for xbox live, but i do hate my outrageous cable and internet bill each month. my isp is not on the list and i know that to get on that list it will end up costing me more money each month. no thanks.

i really wish that cable companies would make espn optional like hbo and showtime. even though i watch a lot of sports, i could get by without espn for $20 less per month.

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Re: i pay enough already

said by chuckie1:

i don't mind paying the $50/year for xbox live, but i do hate my outrageous cable and internet bill each month. my isp is not on the list and i know that to get on that list it will end up costing me more money each month.
Approximately 5 cents. And I'm not being sarcastic. That's what ESPN charges.

Bootes
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Re: i pay enough already

But what if every big website starts charging. 5 cents for Hulu, 5 for NY Times, 5 for TBS, 5 for DSLReports... It starts adding up and they're definitely going to try and start charging more when they get more established.

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Re: i pay enough already

said by Bootes:

But what if every big website starts charging. 5 cents for Hulu, 5 for NY Times, 5 for TBS, 5 for DSLReports... It starts adding up and they're definitely going to try and start charging more when they get more established.
If ESPN can only get 5 cents I can tell you DSL reports isn't getting 1/1000th that. Hulu is planning on offering a subscription service.

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Re: i pay enough already

Hulu's sub service will be optional (ie you'll get better stuff

and they'll be charging you not going around and asking your ISP
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You say that, but I would subscribe to DSLReports well before I gave ESPN any money for anything.

I can't even tell you the last time I turned to one of their channels and I am a "sports fan".

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said by BF69:

said by chuckie1:

i don't mind paying the $50/year for xbox live, but i do hate my outrageous cable and internet bill each month. my isp is not on the list and i know that to get on that list it will end up costing me more money each month.
Approximately 5 cents. And I'm not being sarcastic. That's what ESPN charges.
That would be why there was a $5.00/mo rate hike on cox hsi shortly after the ESPN crap.
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DarkLogix

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Re: i pay enough already

well you have the 5cents plus pay the person to handle paying espn and advertising to tell you that its there

5cents might be what goes to espn but it causes other expences to occur
chuckie1

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said by BF69:

said by chuckie1:

i don't mind paying the $50/year for xbox live, but i do hate my outrageous cable and internet bill each month. my isp is not on the list and i know that to get on that list it will end up costing me more money each month.
Approximately 5 cents. And I'm not being sarcastic. That's what ESPN charges.
where do you get 5 cents? this article says 79 cents per user

»Small ISPs Revolt Against ESPN360 Model
thor793

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..

Doesn't surprise me that Comcast is on the list.

As a Live subscriber this is just gravy...I just wish the NFL and NHL were on there. With the Blackhawks winning the Stanley Cup I'm psyched to watch some more, and I'm a die hard Bears fan.
sjgmoney

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Ignorant post

1. Most ISPs have a deal with ESPN so this is not a big deal, why castigate them for making money on this? Aren't they spending a lot of money with bandwidth etc? Don't they deserve to recoup this and make some money?

2. The NFL DOES have a broadband presence, it's thru their deal with Direct TV. I know this because I pay extra for the NFL package on Direct TV and with this comes the added benefits of being able to watch any game I want on my PC AND my phone (that may be an exclusive Sprint deal, not entirely sure)

Some people need to grow up and realize that you may be able to steal music and movies etc, but some content has to be paid for. Welcome to the real world.

PapaMidnight

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Re: Ignorant post

Ignorant Post, indeed. Please tell me what in the blue hell file sharing has to do with an offering to XBL Gold members, a service that MUST be paid for?

Nothing at all? Figured.
sjgmoney

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Re: Ignorant post

What is the primary use of your Xbox Live membership? Have the terms of your original XBox live membership changed since you originally signed up? Is this or is this not an EXTRA benefit for XBox Live members? Should Xbox live not offer Netflix downloading because some people don't PAY to have a Netflix account?

My post was in response to those that are bitching because their ISP does not offer ESPN360. If this is an important thing for people then they should factor that in when picking an ISP. Luckily for me I have Verizon Fios so I currently get and use ESPN360 occasionally. It certainly is not a make or break for me. My point re file sharing is that we have become the free generation, and that is not reality. Reality is that if you want something, if it is important enough to you, you may have to pay for it. If it's not worth paying for than how important can it really be?

Is that blue enough for you? Figured.

PapaMidnight

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Re: Ignorant post

said by sjgmoney:

If this is an important thing for people then they should factor that in when picking an ISP.
Have you forgotten that the majority of markets in America are a monopoly with regards to choices in ISPs (Duopoly IF you're lucky)?
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He's right to complain, but you'll notice he didn't say what they are doing is "wrong". There's no neutrality problems, since the control is being exercised at the end of the network, not the network itself. ISPs don't have to pay if they don't want to, ESPN isn't strong-arming anyone.

It is a bad thing for consumers though. We're paying 5 cents more per month, even if we don't use ESPN360. If every website followed ESPN's lead, the web you could access would look very fragmented. Your wireless ISP isn't paying Wikipedia's toll? Sucks to be you! Also, it gives ISPs an excuse to implement their own un-neutral charges. They'll charge their customers 1 cent per visit to ESPN360, next they'll be saying an extra $5 per month to visit Youtube. It might seem fair, but the cumulative effect is a crippled internet experience for everyone.

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said by sjgmoney:

2. The NFL DOES have a broadband presence, it's thru their deal with Direct TV. I know this because I pay extra for the NFL package on Direct TV and with this comes the added benefits of being able to watch any game I want on my PC AND my phone (that may be an exclusive Sprint deal, not entirely sure)
If you have Sunday Ticket WTF do you need broadband access for? Sunday Ticket broadband would be better served selling it to people that don't have DirecTv service. Just make financial sense.

To compare the NFL's excuse for broadband presence to that of MLB, NBA or even the fricken NHL is a joke.
sjgmoney

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Re: Ignorant post

What do I need it for? Since you are being nosy, how about when I'm actually away from my home for that Sunday? How about when I want to watch more than one game at a time? That's where my laptop comes in. As for my phone, nothing better than sitting on the sidelines of a boring youth soccer game listening and/or watching an NFL game.

I agree that compared to the other sports there aren't as many ways for just anyone to watch the games, but that's because the NFL was the first with the Sunday ticket sort of thing, and has been pretty much locked up (and paid handsomely) by Direct TV.

PapaMidnight

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Net Neutrality

Isn't this EXACTLY the type of thing Net Neutrality was/is supposed to prevent?

<sarcasm> Look at that fine competition, hard at work now.
Yup, we must keep the deregulation train rolling.... </sarcasm>
 
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Re: Net Neutrality

No... ESPN360 is an endpoint of the network. Network neutrality is to protect the place between endpoints. You can put up a firewall and prevent unwanted people from accessing your computer, ESPN.com is doing the same thing.

Network neutrality is telling the ISP that they don't get to decide what is unwanted. Everything flows equally, and let the endpoints do what they want with it.

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Re: Net Neutrality

actually Net nutrallity would stop this method

espn should be selling to the customer not the provider

its like you go to the mall but since you live in district A you can't go into the espn store

Mari

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It's about the $$$

Why in heaven's name would ESPN give up their existing revenue model and cut out the cable providers? A-la-carte? Direct to consumers? Dream on.

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fifty nine

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Re: It's about the $$$

Exactly right. TV programming is not free.

You (audience) are a product to be rented to advertisers. The advertisers are the customers. They pay so they want value for money.

JSY
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Don't see Time Warner...

Not all that phased. Seems like that instead of the content provider charging the cable company for channels, they have found a new market for doing the same to internet providers for pumping their programming over broadband.

I hope this doesn't mean that broadband pricing will now start to take the shape of the pricing for programming. Broadband pricing has been far more stagnant compared to your cable bill, but if this takes off and more channels come over broadband - why wouldn't the ISP pass on the cost to the customer? Be careful what you wish for. If I'm getting certain channels over cable, I'd be damned if then starting charging me extra for the same to be pumped over broadband.
CSU

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More Money Schemes...

I think it's BS considering I'm already paying for ESPN cable. They should include the Internet service as a packaged deal.
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This is actually good news to me...

I don't give a damn about this, because after all, I play video games on my 360.. That's what I bought it for, not use it to watch TV content.

And nothing's free so I am assume some how some way, I'll pay for it if its available.

So I actually hope my ISP is not part of this list.

Never thought I'd read an article on this site where I'm hoping my ISP doesn't offer the service.
slipknot0129

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small isp

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slipknot0129

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I hope just by having xbox live it lets everybody watch it on their xbox's. My isp isnt on the list and they are kinda small. I wouldnt want to ask my small isp when it could let you watch espn 3 just by having xbox live gold.

They didnt say anything on the e3 conference about needing to be on the list, I think they said everybody so im assuming I will get it.
jjv124

join:2009-11-21
Hanover, PA

Re: small isp

No, the information after the conference is that your isp needs to provide you ESPN3 to get this as well. It's feeding it through your broadband service and that service must allow you access to this service to see it on your xbox.

Anon21212

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What a surprise that Time Warner is not on there....I think they hate themselves and their customers... maybe they hate money or drawing in new customers by offering what every other/little company does.
wbrault

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i am surprised mine is on the list with their horrible caps

techman001

@myvzw.com
no surprise that cablevision isn't on the list. No way they would let abc set a precedent for this type of model...

gball
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reason to put ESPN on my DO NOT BUY/WATCH anything list.

nic26

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When????? I'm sitting here with my membership and correct ISP. All I can do is watch a trailer. Am I missing something? The only hint at a date I've seen is "November."

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