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story category Earthlink Threatens To Shut Down Philly Wi-Fi
Unless the city acts to take the network off its hands...
12:07PM Thursday May 08 2008 by Karl
tags: business · wireless · bandwidth · municipal · EarthLink
Tipped by JSRoman See Profile
It looks like the public Wi-Fi network in Philadelphia may be shut down if the city can't negotiate some kind of transfer deal with Earthlink. Earthlink stopped accepting new customers last week, and gave the city until today to negotiate an offer, but the city's mayor doesn't seem keen on the idea of spending city money. For long time readers, this network has a long story behind it; one that could end badly.

When initially proposed as a muni-fi project, it was the first time the public became aware that Verizon was getting bills passed that banned entire States from running their own broadband networks. Once the city navigated Verizon lawyers, they finally got the network built, and began offering service in concert with Earthlink. But while the network performed well, fewer people signed up than anticipated.

Earthlink, already struggling from the death of dial-up and bad business decisions like believing the hype surrounding powerline broadband, then announced they'd be fleeing the muni-fi sector. Despite investing $20 million in the network, they didn't even bother to attend a hearing on the network's fate. As it stands, about 80% of the network still works, but Earthlink has told Philly they'll pull the plug unless it's taken off their hands by today.

If there's a broadband industry death-watch list, Earthlink sits at the top. Judging from the high number of jilted cities they're leaving in their wake, I'm guessing there may not be a large turnout at the funeral.

Related:
  1. Chicago Backs Out Of Muni-Fi Plan
  2. Earthlink Backs Out of San Fran Wi-Fi
  3. Making Municipal Wi-Fi Work
  4. Is EarthLink Exiting the Wi-Fi Industry?
  5. Solar Wi-Fi Service Won't See Light of Day
  6. Corpus Christi Finally Gives Up on Earthlink
  7. 2 out of 5 Cities Take Wi-Fi Back from Earthlink
  8. New Orleans Opts To End Wi-Fi Network
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S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

Sounds to me...

Like Earthlink is trying to get some cash before they fold.

Maybe AOL should buy them!
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tomkb
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Re: Sounds to me...

Executives must be paid large bonuses before there can be any folding.

Lowtarget
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Alger, OH
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Re: Sounds to me...

Instead of threating citys. Why dont they just step up and say kindly they cant make profit from it. Then give the city the option to buy it from them.

If a company came to treaten me like that. I would tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine. I'm nice as a teddy bear. But cross the line and WorldWar III is going to happen.

RadioDoc
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Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest

Earthlink has been a zombie wandering the back woods of the Internet for well over a year now. They are furiously trying to prop up the corpse and walk it around to distract the shareholders from that funny smell.

Philly should just tell them to go pound sand. As mentioned elsewhere they've got much bigger issues to attend to than a failed muni WiFi project. If it is worth anything Earthlink should be able to find a buyer even at 10 cents on the dollar.
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toplevelpot

join:2008-04-19
Los Angeles, CA
·AT&T Yahoo

Glad I ignored them

About a year ago they were sending us flyers in the mail talking 'bout how we could tell the ph. comp. "THAT THEY'RE FIRED", talking about egg on face if we'd done that
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toplevelpot

join:2008-04-19
Los Angeles, CA

Re: Glad I ignored them

aww heck this was s'posed 2 go to the earthlink topic not a new topic!!!! mods plz move to where appropriate while i learn the internetz. thanx and sorry
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N3OGH
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Philly burbs
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Philly has bigger problems....

Philly has bigger problems than Wi-Fi and Earthlink. It seems like every other month, another police officer is slain in the line of duty. Shootings over petty arguments are commonplace and murder is rampant.

Nutter would be right to tell Earthlink to take a hike.

In large parts of the city, the social fabric of society has collapsed and teenage children don't think twice about picking up a gun to settle their differences. It is a sad state of affairs.

As a Philly native and metro area resident it pains me every time I hear of another "murder filled" weekend in the city.

That said, I think Nutter is probably the best Mayor to come to Philly in a while. He's smart, well spoken, and most importantly straight forward. I pray for him and the city I will always consider my hometown.....
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jchambers28

join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR

edit:
May 8th, @12:47PM

going down hill

sound like earthlink is going down hill fast
they are dropping there services like flies

TK Junk Mail
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Re: Philly has bigger problems....

said by N3OGH See Profile :

Philly has bigger problems than Wi-Fi and Earthlink.
I agree. Philly can use municipal funds to solve way more pressing problems than WiFi access. Especially since it has so few users. Nutter should tell Earthlink to just go ahead and dismantle the network.
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jc100

join:2002-04-10
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: Philly has bigger problems....

Well it depends on if there was a contract or not. If there was, Earthlink can jump ship and still sue the city for breaching said agreement. I'm sure the lawyers will solve it. They always do. What would we do without lawyers (sarcasm)? They always walk away with fat pockets while everyone else is the loser, no matter who ultimately "wins". Both parties pay a bundle, see little, while these guys make fortunes.

Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

Many political types were saying the internet will some how change those drugged out, gun shooting, idiots. Simple answer, they don't want to use the internet. When your fighting over a couple of blocks of turf what on earth would you use the internet for?

Jigsaw
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Cleveland, OH
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Re: Philly has bigger problems....

They don't call it kill-adelphia for nothing.What ever happened to the city of brotherly love .
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Philly has bigger problems....

said by Jigsaw See Profile :

They don't call it kill-adelphia for nothing.What ever happened to the city of brotherly love .
Its now called the Bloods (street gang).

Go look up the full expansion of their name to get the joke.
xirian
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Beacon, NY
Google maps mashup of who has what turf?
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Philly has bigger problems....

said by xirian See Profile :

Google maps mashup of who has what turf?
Thats a e-Gangbanger. Although its explictly against the terms of service. »code.google.com/apis/maps/signup.html

quote:
There are some uses of the API that we just don't want to see. For instance, we do not want to see maps that identify the places to buy illegal drugs in a city, or any similar illegal activity.

jc100

join:2002-04-10
Posting your gang wars on you tube.. Posting your beatings of rivals on you tube. Lining up drug deals. Hell, these morons can't be productive legally or in school. Nothing says they won't use their "talents" for other such means.
jc100

join:2002-04-10
·RoadRunner Cable

Hell I think you got it ass backwards. Muni Wifi can help jumpstart Philly's economy and that of all other midwestern cities who are economically depressed. Just think of it. Drug dealers can plan their sales virtually before hitting the pavement. Gang members can post their beatings and shootings on youtube. The list goes on and on as to why philly and all other cities should piss away cash. What troubles? As long as the crackheads, gangbangers, etc got internet, all is happy right?
alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA

The Common Person is Confused!

Like I have been saying for years, Wi-Fi is not the Holy Grail for Broadband. When people hear of Wi-Fi they think this will replace their Broadband Connection and they are looking for the same speed, reliability, and service. So most of these Wi-Fi Networks are less than 1Mbps, not fast enough to replace your Home Broadband.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: The Common Person is Confused!

said by alchav See Profile :

So most of these Wi-Fi Networks are less than 1Mbps, not fast enough to replace your Home Broadband.
Bingo, 802.11B can have max 4.5 mbit/s shared between the AP and 1 user (assuming no other users, and perfect connection with no error correction needed). G is 17mbit/s shared among all users. Cable for example is 40 mbit/s, perhaps a muni wifi network running N equipment with all N clients can pull that off, but N isn't even a standard yet.....

Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

Re: The Common Person is Confused!

Wimax may improve speeds. It's coming for sure to the US now. Big deployment in the developing world.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: The Common Person is Confused!

Yeah, with what spectrum? Philly govt will pay for it? or Earthlink?

HRM
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Darien, CT
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I'll give them $100.00 for it/

There has to be a couple nice pieces of electronics involed. THen, off to ebay..

bfht57fg

@comcast.net

Re: I'll give them $100.00 for it/

Ill give them $300 for it. Beat that!
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: I'll give them $100.00 for it/

I'll duct tape chinese generic 802.11N routers on and directional antennas and set up 30mbit/s for $80 a month with 1 year contract. Nothing like a porcupine of Yagi antennas.

byebye

@verizon.net

earthlink

earthlink is dying a slow death....

sandor

@verizon.net

enough ripping on philly

hey, remember, we are a bridge away from the most dangerous city the the US - Camden NJ.

»www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp···state=NJ
»www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp···state=PA

»www.camconnect.org/MostDangerousCity.htm
»webcenters.netscape.compuserve.c···meridden

They increased enforcement, people crossed the bridge, and we got a blip of crime in 2007. We are already down 25% 2008 v. 2007. The muni wi fi setup was doomed from the start, it was ill-formed and simply an attempt by the last mayor to make some positive difference in his eight years in office, and he failed (though he succeeded in continuing Philly's proud tradition of "pay to play" politics, and FBI indictments of high level city officials - even Mayor Street's office was bugged by the FBI)
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