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Egypt Unplugs Itself From The Internet
In The Hopes They Can Obscure History
by Karl Bode Friday 28-Jan-2011 tags: business · bandwidth · world · consumers
In response to protests against Hosni Mubarak's nearly 30 years in power, the Egyptian government has ordered the country's ISPs to sever Egypt's connectivity to the Internet completely. After shutting down Twitter on on Tuesday and having various success blocking Facebook and Google on Wednesday, country leaders took the bolder step shortly after news leaked out that a protestor had been shot and killed. According to the officialy renysys blog, this is a massive, unprecedented shut down affecting absolutely everyone in Egypt:

Critical European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected for now. But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, website, school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world. Link Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their customers and partners are, for the moment, off the air.

Here's what the shut off looks like in graphic form.

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WTF?

See subject field.

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Re: WTF?

Exactly. What a great way to destroy a country these days.

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Re: WTF?

Are they trying to loose their brownie points with NATO or what?
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hmm when this was posted. internet back up over their but hidden this time

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Re: WTF?

Hidden?

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the US can do the same.

the internet kill switch, to bad it is ineffective.

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Re: the US can do the same.

Won't matter. I'm sure the HAMs there with a good TNC can connect to the Internet anywhere.. or at least get the word out to other HAMs.

I bet the airwaves are flooded with traffic.

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This makes the UAE Blackberry thing look good.

Don't they understand that they're crippling their country with this nonsense?
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Re: This makes the UAE Blackberry thing look good.

said by thender:

Don't they understand that they're crippling their country with this nonsense?

For now, until they too have trouble. 70% of Dubai's population are migrant workers, often treated like shit.

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said by thender:

Don't they understand that they're crippling their country with this nonsense?

Does it matter? Because if Mubarak and his gov't go down, the religious fanatics that take over will cripple the Internet anyway.

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Just wait

If they can do it for Egypt then where will be the next place? I wonder if i can send an invoice for loss revenue since my next business venture was ham radios - oh wait pure profit right now

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Don't Worry

Once the radical Muslim Brotherhood takes over Egypt, there won't be any Internet for the people there to access ever again.
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Re: Don't Worry

said by pnh102:

Once the radical Muslim Brotherhood takes over Egypt, there won't be any Internet for the people there to access ever again.

That's what I was thinking. I doubt democracy and populism will turn out well. In Muslim-dominated countries it usually results in theocratic rule. Lebanon and Turkey are the only two exceptions, and Turkey's gradually becoming less democratic because the people are voting increasingly for theocracy.

This is a perfect example of what I've illustrated many times: Does democracy and individual freedom exist to its own demise? Or, can it be muted at times to preserve more democracy and freedom *over the long haul* than would exist if immediate populist passions reigned supreme?


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Re: Don't Worry

These people turn to theocratic rule because the so called free market is so corrupt that their lives are awful. No work, money, opportunity... Iran is the way it is now because the people got tired of the US backed Shah who was so corrupt that anything seemed better than what his facist government offered.
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Re: Don't Worry

said by rit56:

These people turn to theocratic rule because the so called free market is so corrupt that their lives are awful. No work, money, opportunity... Iran is the way it is now because the people got tired of the US backed Shah who was so corrupt that anything seemed better than what his facist government offered.

Free market in Egypt?

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Re: Don't Worry

don't know about any free market, but there is one hell of a black market!
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said by rit56:

These people turn to theocratic rule ...

Theocratic rule is older than Nebuchadnezzar, and has existed since humans gathered in the old urban settings of Mesopotamia. Well before the Old World knew of the existence of the Americas.

Islam is a thousand years older than the U.S.A.

Just saying.
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Re: Don't Worry

And yet the the western world has evolved and embraced the future rather then living in the same reality for 2000 years
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I was commenting on the "free market" comment. Nothing more. Wondering what we really know about this "evolution of the west", though. And "embracing the future"? We created our future we didn't "embrace it".
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said by rit56:

These people turn to theocratic rule because the so called free market is so corrupt that their lives are awful. No work, money, opportunity...

The free market has nothing to do with these countries being poor. It has everything to do with centuries of tribal rule and the people there backing the strongest big daddy dictator as part of their cultural heritage. Theocratic rule just substitutes a religious fanatic as dictator. No change will be seen in their daily lives. Oh, except for the women, of course, their lives will be even worse.

And the reason people would choose a theocratic dictator? How about the poor have such lousy lives that they are actually dumb enough to believe in an afterlife and the lies told to them by clerics that they will go to heaven and reside there happily throughout eternity.

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The Gomonews article says it best:

"You don’t throw a blanket over something unless you want to hide it."

I expect we'll hear some very scary stories filtering out through the Egyptian borders over the coming days.
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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

said by Rogue Wolf:

"You don’t throw a blanket over something unless you want to hide it."

I expect we'll hear some very scary stories filtering out through the Egyptian borders over the coming days.

I doubt they're trying to hide anything. It's probably intended to blind the people who are rioting. Eliminate the most effective communication method they have to organize opposition.

It seems like a reasonable response to widespread rioting. Someone my say the riots are justified. But, see my previous post. I don't think this has much to do with freedom and democracy. It's about the freedom to create theocratic rule. That would be far more despotic and backwards than the heavy-handed dictatorial "democracy" Egypt has.

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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

You're wrong. These riots are not about religion. These people want a decent life for their families and children just like you. Diversify and read multiple news souses other than Fox. This has NOTHING to do with religion.
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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

said by rit56:

YDiversify and read multiple news souses other than Fox.

That must be my problem. Thanks.

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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

..watching Fox Noise again?

I stopped watching them after my first Migraine.. which I got when watching them for less than an hour.

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said by rit56:

This has NOTHING to do with religion.

Spoken like someone born after 1979.
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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

Actually I'm in my 50's, own my own successful business. I pay my employees well and have a fantastic retention rate. Again this is strictly about class warfare, nothing to do with religion. People are tired of getting screwed by corporations and their partners in Government.

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said by rit56:

Actually I'm in my 50's, own my own successful business.

Then you have no excuse to not look up a history of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and recognize that they are the ones who are trying to topple the Egyptian government through these protests. People who had the same exact motivations did the same thing in Iran in 1979.

We're seeing the same exact type of destablizations going on in Turkey, Lebanon, Yemen, Pakistan and Tunisia. Islamic fundamentalists are poised to take over in all of these countries. They are just simply using "democracy" as vehicle to get into power.

Given the choice between having a totalitarian strongman who isn't sponsoring anti-US activities and one who does, anyone who has a reasonable command of current events would logically be able to conclude that the former is the "least worst" option at our disposal.
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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

You're not taking into account their culture. It's different than ours and they may never embrace a democracy like we have here. Do not demonize an entire region of the world because you personally disagree with their culture or religion. There are plenty of hard working, law abiding Muslims here in NY. I'm sure there are plenty in Maryland. Maybe you should look at all the domestic terrorism we have here. Attempted murder of politicians, planting a bomb on MLK day, murdering law enforcement officers, flying a plane into an IRS office, bombing an IRS building in Oklahoma, bombing abortion clinics. Those people are terrorists but due to their political affiliation it's over looked. If they came out as Democrats imagine the uproar.. Part of the problem is the ruling elite have and have completely screwed their citizens. Research Tunisia and look at what his family and friends were doing. Taking bank loans and not paying them back because they knew nothing would happen to them leaving normal middle class citizens on the hook for it. Many. many examples of that sort of behavior. Look it up. You can find it. Again this has nothing to do with religion. It is Class Warfare. The lower classes of society have had enough.
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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

said by rit56:

It is Class Warfare. The lower classes of society have had enough.

They have had about 5,000 years of "enough", yet still aren't in charge.
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said by rit56:

Do not demonize an entire region of the world because you personally disagree with their culture or religion. Part of the problem is the ruling elite have and have completely screwed their citizens. Research Tunisia and look at what his family and friends were doing. Again this has nothing to do with religion. It is Class Warfare. The lower classes of society have had enough.

It is about religion and you refusing to see it doesn't change the reality. And as long as the fundamentalists that co-opt the underclasses in these countries are the ones that will gain the power and control the state and then use that power to attack the US & other western countries, then I guess I'll be among those rooting for their opposition.

»www.politico.com/news/stories/01···372.html

Reports that a group affiliated with Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, continues to play a role in the protests point to a significant risk ahead


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They are American Law abiding because they are a minority here..if that changes they will try this here. Islam is the religion of peace because they kill or convert all who oppose them, and their edict is to behead the infidel...LITERALLY You are DELUDED to think they are not your enemy.
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Egypt has a dictator and the people are sick of it. He's just as bad as Saddam and uses his regime to win election after election.

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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

said by FBGuy:

Egypt has a dictator and the people are sick of it. He's just as bad as Saddam and uses his regime to win election after election.

Correct. But if they overthrow him they just get a different dictator - one no better and maybe worse, especially if the dictator is a fundamentalist cleric - which would be better than even odds.
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said by FBGuy:

Egypt has a dictator and the people are sick of it. He's just as bad as Saddam and uses his regime to win election after election.

Most Muslim countries have dictators. The middle east was ruled by Turkey for 400 years. It was known as simply the Arab Territories. After WWI, the League of Nations arbitrarily carved out nations giving Britain and France "mandates" to govern the region and lead the new countries to maturity.

The area now known as Saudi Arabia was given to Faisal Hussein due to his (and his tribe's) help fighting the German-aligned Turks. Shortly afterwards, the House of Saud threw him out. The Saudis received money throughout WW I but did little to help the fight.

Hussein was popularly elected as leader of Syria. The French opposed it and threw him out. His son marched with men to Syria to defend his father. He was turned away by the British and, as part of appeasing the Hussein family, was given Transjordan.

Faisal was exiled to Britain for a few years, and then given Iraq.

The list goes on and on. The UAE are a handful of similarly-created monarchies. Saddam Hussein had a very reasonable argument for invading Kuwait: It was historically part of Iraq, and the "infidels" had no business handing it over to the ruling family that has governed it since WW I. (I.e., taking it back was less arbitrary than its creation!).

That's what's so funny about Arab opposition to Israel. The whole region's political boundaries were arbitrarily created (after 400 years of Muslim dictatorship). Every country was denied "self-determination." Nobody votes for the kings or princes of Jordan, Kuwait, et. al. Nobody voted for which country their land should belong to.

Israel was created as part of the same arbitrary process and everyone's had a cow about it for the past 50 years. But, they're remarkably silent about all the Muslim-on-Muslim domination.

There must be some ideological libertarians in the Egyptian riot. But, I guarantee they won't matter if the government is toppled. The religious elite will crack the whip.

The same thing happened in Iran. A lot of educated, middle-class people supported ousting the Shah. Imagine their shock when a well-organized religious movement seized control, with religious police enforcing strict customs, etc.

Maybe it's a necessary evil. Maybe they have to go through 13th-century religious backwardness before they can redefine themselves. But, in a nuclear world, that could be a very costly exercise.

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said by pnh102:

said by rit56:

Actually I'm in my 50's, own my own successful business.

Then you have no excuse to not look up a history of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and recognize that they are the ones who are trying to topple the Egyptian government through these protests. People who had the same exact motivations did the same thing in Iran in 1979.

We're seeing the same exact type of destablizations going on in Turkey, Lebanon, Yemen, Pakistan and Tunisia. Islamic fundamentalists are poised to take over in all of these countries. They are just simply using "democracy" as vehicle to get into power.

Given the choice between having a totalitarian strongman who isn't sponsoring anti-US activities and one who does, anyone who has a reasonable command of current events would logically be able to conclude that the former is the "least worst" option at our disposal.

Its the Middle East. Everything is about religion there.

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said by pnh102:

said by rit56:

This has NOTHING to do with religion.

Spoken like someone born after 1979.

Everything in the mid-east is about religion and the politics of religion and to think otherwise is to ignore that reality.

»www.politico.com/news/stories/01···372.html

Reports that a group affiliated with Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, continues to play a role in the protests point to a significant risk ahead


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Re: The Gomonews article says it best:

said by Romney2012:

Everything in the mid-east is about religion and the politics of religion and to think otherwise is to ignore that reality.

Non-sense.

It has a lot more to do with poverty, high unemployment, and a number of other economic issues, with one of the root cause being a highly unequal income distribution between the "haves" and "have nots".

Of course religious groups may also want to get into this, and possible hijack the revolution, but they didn't start it.
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said by aurgathor:

Of course religious groups may also want to get into this, and possible hijack the revolution, but they didn't start it.

Just saw on the news: In Tunisia, an exiled religious leader has returned.

I think we're saying the same thing. In Arab mid-east (and, muslim countries globally) the choice seems to be secular dictatorship/monarchy. Or, islamist rule.

Secular leaders push their prerogatives too far, leading to revolt. You're right that the demonstrators aren't pushing for religious law. They're simply rebelling against the secular elite who are corrupt.

But, I bet if you ask most demonstrators if they'd like to live under religious law they'd say it would be ok.

Religion is a strong undercurrent in Muslim countries. It's more than just religious groups wanting to co-opt a revolution. The revolutionaries are open to it. It's integral to the culture. It just goes unmentioned.

Just look at Muslim-dominated countries. Lebanon and Turkey are the only two I can think of that are relatively secular. They're both barely making it. Even outside the mideast, countries like Malaysia are barely secular. It's a crime to promote a religion other than Islam. There are cultural penalties for being an "infidel." The national ID card denotes whether a resident is a member of the nationally-supported religion. That makes it extremely punitive to not be. Showing your ID card everywhere would be like the biblical leper saying "unclean, unclean" everywhere they go.

Egyptians are rioting over growing wealth disparity, corruption among the elite, etc. But, you have to view it within the context of every other muslim-dominated nation. When the rubber meets the road, it's going to be religion.

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said by amigo_boy:

I don't think this has much to do with freedom and democracy. It's about the freedom to create theocratic rule

News sources from the other side of the Atlantic are reporting it as somewhat more mixed than that. The protesters seem to come from all walks of life.

The big question is, of course, what will fill the power vacuum when the current government falls. But that'll be an 'outcome'; there are also issues of 'cause', which is a different thing. The Egyptians might well get a theocracy, but they're not necessarily rioting because they want one.

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said by amigo_boy:

I doubt they're trying to hide anything. It's probably intended to blind the people who are rioting. Eliminate the most effective communication method they have to organize opposition.

It seems like a reasonable response to widespread rioting. Someone my say the riots are justified. But, see my previous post. I don't think this has much to do with freedom and democracy. It's about the freedom to create theocratic rule. That would be far more despotic and backwards than the heavy-handed dictatorial "democracy" Egypt has.

I agree. To call these activities protesting is pretty laughable. Rioting is what they are and the leaders of the rioters use the Internet, cellphones, etc to coordinate their actions. Any gov't, legit or not, repressive or not, that lets rioters run rampant ceases to call itself a gov't. That the gov't takes actions to stop the rioting is both expected and defendable. And US citizens aren't in any position to determine the validity of the rioters cause of action. Too many vocal Internet bloggers in the US lean to a theory that thinks anarchy is the preferred political system for the world. And a lot of what we read about Egypt in the next days, weeks will be slanted from that perspective.

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Not entirely a bad thing

It would not be bad for people to get together and speak in person instead of via myface and the like. Pick up a phone and call someone. Do something with your kids instead of tweeting, "going to make cookies now...yum".

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The rise of rogue satellite ISPs

Someone is going to climb to the top of one of those pyramids and put a solar powered satellite dish with a repeater station.

They could always go back to packet radio. It works, but really slow.

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for some yummy Egyptian rock soup....

All these rocks a flying.... where do you find a rock in a major city - its all asphalt and concrete
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Just do it more subtle like the US control the news media

i mean just start whatever rumor you want. The US just makes it seem there is only one world viewpoint. Even though the net is linked to everything how many actually read another countries newspaper.
For most here only the republicans and democrats exist and their viewpoints which in alot of cases are not that different.
How many in the US read an outside news source consistently to get a world view of the US.
If Egypt had the same captive audience they would not need to cut the net off.

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A question about their ISPs

Do they have bit caps?

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Re: A question about their ISPs

Yeah, looks like the whole country didn't quite make it to Tuesday, they all went over, so they got shut off until next month.

But seriously...kind of reminds me of pre-Civil War US...keep the masses you wish to control uneducated. By extension, keep the masses in the dark about each other so they don't rally against their government. Isn't it classic divide and conquer? I don't think they'll succeed in this ploy, but they'll certainly try.
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said by rchandra:

But seriously...kind of reminds me of pre-Civil War US...keep the masses you wish to control uneducated.

I think that's a good analogy. But, I would apply it to slavery. Anti-slavery advocates knew they couldn't rush abolition. They considered blacks "children" due to their learned helplessness in slavery. I think this was a large part of why they Supreme Court didn't enforce the intent of the 14th Amendment for 50 years. In principle it was noble to extend the bill of rights against state infringement (enslaving blacks by denying them rights). In reality, you can't undo 100-200 years of slavery overnight. It shouldn't have taken 50 years. But, when support for Reconstruction disappeared by the mid-1870s, there wasn't helping hand to facilitate the change.

I think arab/muslim populations are similar. You're right that they need education to move out of the 13th century. But, how do we get there? I don't believe handing them freedom overnight will turn out well.

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Re: A question about their ISPs

said by amigo_boy:

said by rchandra:

But seriously...kind of reminds me of pre-Civil War US...keep the masses you wish to control uneducated.

I think that's a good analogy. But, I would apply it to slavery. Anti-slavery advocates knew they couldn't rush abolition. But, when support for Reconstruction disappeared by the mid-1870s, there wasn't helping hand to facilitate the change.

I think arab/muslim populations are similar. You're right that they need education to move out of the 13th century. But, how do we get there? I don't believe handing them freedom overnight will turn out well.

Reconstruction suffered the worst blow the night Lincoln was shot. Reconciliation with the South was a big goal of his and reconstruction would not have been turned in to what it became for the next 20 yrs - payback against the South for the war. The South's reaction against a vindictive Reconstruction doomed civil rights for a 100 years.

Unfortunately, the lower classes in Arab countries are anti-secular devout religious believers and they will be co-opted by the fundamentalist extremists. That will just result in even worse conditions than they now labor under. But hey, their souls will be saved.

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A good article

»www.infowars.com/internet-shut-d···ngthens/

A good article on this.
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Dialup

Why not dial up to another country? Sure there'd be costs, but it's better than a blackout...

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said by nnaarrnn:

Why not dial up to another country? Sure there'd be costs, but it's better than a blackout...

It's a good thought, but redundancies like that would have to be in place prior.

If you're already cut off, getting access to any services, software and/or hardware needed to implement workarounds may be difficult to not even possible. Even those that can find alternate means, it's too small a percentage to effectively allow communication flows to and from the populous.

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said by JLevinworth :

said by nnaarrnn:

Why not dial up to another country? Sure there'd be costs, but it's better than a blackout...

It's a good thought, but redundancies like that would have to be in place prior.

If you're already cut off, getting access to any services, software and/or hardware needed to implement workarounds may be difficult to not even possible. Even those that can find alternate means, it's too small a percentage to effectively allow communication flows to and from the populous.

I'm watching a report on MSNBC, and the reporter via a satellite crew (I missed his name) was just commenting (to paraphrase) that the cut-off, in terms effectiveness to control information flow on where/when protests are is almost irrelevant now (he said, "almost yesterday's news"). People instead have poured into the streets, are shouting across rooftops and can look out their windows to find a protest anywhere at this point. Riots are everywhere in Cairo.

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Class War

There's a class war going on in those countries. It has nothing to do with religion. Tunisia, Egypt, in England remember last year the student riots about tuition raises? How about Greece? The reason the end up voting the way they do is because they're so repressed by their politicians they see no other way out. This is a class war and it may eventually spread here. How long before people get pushed to the point where they're done? Also regardless what you read in the corporate controlled media the government here is keeping a very close watch on this. I think it was yesterday someone set off a bomb at Davos the site of the current meeting of bankers that pretty much ruined the world economy. Don't think for a minute our government isn't very, very closely watching with a curious, nervous eye what's going on over there. People are fed up with getting screwed by corporations and corrupt governments looking the other way.

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The Who Said It Best

One thing to be careful of is it a case where some people are filled with the high ideals of freedom and peace for all or is a case of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". Trading one batch of corrupt zealots for another set of corrupt zealots doesn't stand for much. In Egypt we need to be very careful of proclaiming anyone is better than the others.

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oh

Oh look, the future of the US if lobbying continues to swooo our politicians in their favor rather than our citizens..

Though most will happily give up their rights and freedoms for the illusions of security and safety
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Re: oh

I'm positive the U.S. has far more resources for potential riots in this country. It's not like Steve Cohen didn't sign a bill to build 7 FEMA camps........ U.S. citizens are too stupid and lazy to riot, that's why we allow them to grope us in the airports with not much throwback.
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Re: oh

You didn't mention the fluoride in the main water supply! Makes you passive and receptive of what your told!! ( conspiracy theory here!!)) No wonder some areas are against people having well water :-p

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I have a pretty good idea for a business venture...

Set up a fiber wireless ISP right along the border say about a mile off. Fiber backhaul to the rest of the internet and leave the wireless towers say about a mile outside the border.

I wonder how quick the border towns would start selling land then?


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Re: I have a pretty good idea for a business venture...

said by David:

Set up a fiber wireless ISP right along the border say about a mile off. Fiber backhaul to the rest of the internet and leave the wireless towers say about a mile outside the border.

I wonder how quick the border towns would start selling land then?


And what border would that be?
Libya and Sudan are over a 1000 miles away from Cairo and the Nile delta where all the people live. And somehow I doubt that Israel, the closest border, will allow someone to setup on their territory being the purpose would be to enthrone the Muslim Brotherhood as the replacement for Mubarak.

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Re: I have a pretty good idea for a business venture...

said by Romney2012:

And what border would that be?
Libya and Sudan are over a 1000 miles away from Cairo and the Nile delta where all the people live. And somehow I doubt that Israel, the closest border, will allow someone to setup on their territory being the purpose would be to enthrone the Muslim Brotherhood as the replacement for Mubarak.

Hey I just said it was a business venture, I didn't say it was a safe one or a good one!
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Mubarak's regime is going down it appears.

Let's hope it's not replaced by a repressive islamic-facist state that is even worse.

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Re: Mubarak's regime is going down it appears.

said by KrK:

Let's hope it's not replaced by a repressive islamic-facist state that is even worse.

Unfortunately, that is the usual result in the Mideast.

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Egypt and 9/11

Remember, many of the Sept. 11th hijackers either were or were formerly Egyptian nationals. Egypt really is a hotbed of terrorism and related nonsense.

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Re: Egypt and 9/11

said by trainwreck:

Remember, many of the Sept. 11th hijackers either were or were formerly Egyptian nationals. Egypt really is a hotbed of terrorism and related nonsense.

The vast majority were Saudi with a few other countries thrown. Only 1 was Egyptian:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_···aircraft

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Live coverage from Egypt

Al Jazeera English: Live Internet Stream is doing an excellent job getting the story out to the world.

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Re: Live coverage from Egypt

Almost as if it were planned, HMMMMM.

Boy the military sure isnt really doing much, and now that most of the countries police have been recalled to key locations and ordered into a defensive, unless something big happens it was pretty much all for show, hmmm.
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