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kudos:5 |  Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music
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| Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music Where is this "data that proves otherwise" ? Im fairly certain that this little girl wont be torrenting any time soon. Mission accomplished. I'll be sure to have my kids net usage under lock and key when theyre old enough. Again, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. | |
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| | | | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music said by ITALIAN926:Im fairly certain that this little girl wont be torrenting any time soon.
Why?
This behavior only makes people more angry and defiant. | |
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| | | | | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music yes, youre right. When Aunt Sue gets sued for $5000, Im sure the first thing she does when she gets home from court is ilegally download another copy of The Twighlight Saga. | |
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join:2002-11-27 | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music said by ITALIAN926:yes, youre right. When Aunt Sue gets sued for $5000, Im sure the first thing she does when she gets home from court is ilegally download another copy of The Twighlight Saga.
The first thing she does is call one of her techie friends, relatives, etc, who after making fun of her for an hour or so for being an idiot, tell her that for under $10 a month she can get a VPN account and really "stick it" to the industry. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music And don't forget the thousands of people that see this in the news and decide perhaps not to support such behavior.
Mission Accomplished alright. | |
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said by DataRiker:And don't forget the thousands of people that see this in the news and decide perhaps not to support such behavior. I don't think this news article changes much. Determined pirates will continue to pirate, most of them already use VPN's, proxies and/or other means to stay our of copyright police cross-hairs. Those who buy stuff legitimately will probably think "Oh my, if I did pirate, this could have happened to me!" But that's like preaching to the choir. A few noob pirates would probably think twice before torrenting stuff though.
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| said by DataRiker:said by ITALIAN926:Im fairly certain that this little girl wont be torrenting any time soon.
Why? This behavior only makes people more angry and defiant. well, it makes you more angry and defiant. But then you're never going to pay for media anyway.
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| | | | | | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music said by JohnInSJ: But then you're never going to pay for media anyway.
This is a bit curious, as I don't use movies, games, or music, but I buy a lot of books.
I certainly know how to pirate, and I will continue to share my knowledge on this site. | |
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4 edits | Italian, Battleop, Dark Lobe (or TKJunkmail, Romney2012(ha!), or whatever your alias is this month), the point of the article was that the POLICE were sikked on these folks over the download of a SINGLE ALBUM (that they paid for later anyway) because they did not cowtow to the entertainment cartel's extortion of 600 euros.
The police were sent to a house due to a music download, NOT because they were drug dealers or a murderer was holed up in the house, nooooo nothing as bad as that....a HUGE waste of government resources on what is a civil matter....how would you feel if you get a knock on the door tomorrow from the police because your Mercedes payment was a day late or got lost in the mail? That wouldn't look too good to your neighbors on your cul-de-sac in your gated community, now would it? 
To paraphrase what Big_e said, lets just roll everything back to the 1800s when the robber barons ruled the roost and poor folks were thrown in debtor's prison. You guys would love that.... 
Content companies have the right to protect their property, but this is ridiculous. | |
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kudos:9 | said by Linklist:She was old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music. Then she is old enough to lose her laptop. And let's face it, the ones most at fault are her parents. And they can pay the price for not doing their job of supervising their child.
But she did not infringe any copyrighted work, nor did she inflict a tort on the IP owner. The file she grabbed was a useless dummy (so no damages), and freely distributed by agents of the CIAPC (so no infringement).
For which the police raided her parent's home and seized her personal property (I don't think Finnish law includes a counterpart to the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution).
I am certain the MPAA/RIAA would love to be able to send the FBI raiding on their behalf.
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| | | said by Linklist:She was old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music. Then she is old enough to lose her laptop. And let's face it, the ones most at fault are her parents. And they can pay the price for not doing their job of supervising their child.
I think this isn't enough actually. They should educate criminals like this and force her to do some anti-piracy ads in which she gets shamed publicly for what she did. (this would help spread the message that all actions have consequences)
If you ask me, the kid is just lucky deadly force wasn't used to confiscate the laptop. Not that i would miss people like this in the first place. (I know, it's hard to be tough on kids... but there are limits)
She had it coming but so do her parents. We can't let irresponsible parents like this allow behavior like this, they should do at the very least some community service for this. And if that's not possible maybe a few months in jail.
But if that's too much (i think it's fair, but some might disagree) we could always get social services involved. | |
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| | | | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music said by FandBal:But if that's too much (i think it's fair, but some might disagree) we could always get social services involved.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
We definitely need a new look at copyrights if people think they should lose their children for downloading a pop song. | |
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| | NormanSPremium,MVM
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kudos:9 | said by FandBal:said by Linklist:She was old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music. Then she is old enough to lose her laptop. And let's face it, the ones most at fault are her parents. And they can pay the price for not doing their job of supervising their child.
I think this isn't enough actually. They should educate criminals like this and ... What crime was committed? The file was a dummy, and it was offered up for trade by agents of the CIAPC.
Maybe a criminal act in your Kafkaesque fantasy, but not in the U.S; at least not yet.
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kudos:5 | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music said by NormanS:said by FandBal:said by Linklist:She was old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music. Then she is old enough to lose her laptop. And let's face it, the ones most at fault are her parents. And they can pay the price for not doing their job of supervising their child.
I think this isn't enough actually. They should educate criminals like this and ... What crime was committed? The file was a dummy, and it was offered up for trade by agents of the CIAPC. Maybe a criminal act in your Kafkaesque fantasy, but not in the U.S; at least not yet. I think you got sucked in by a sarcastic post and the person is not advocating what was posted.
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kudos:9 | Re: Old enough to know to go to Pirate bay to get free music said by Linklist:I think you got sucked in by a sarcastic post and the person is not advocating what was posted.
You think? He got DataRiker  too, you know, if that is the case.
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kudos:5 | Father settles the Winnie the Pooh copyright infringer case by paying 300 Euros:
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We have been past absurdity, now its just getting offensively stupid.
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On behalf of everybody on this board I would like to give a big THANKS! | |
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Grants Pass, OR | For a start..... The kid is a spoiled little turd. I would not let my kid at 9 years old own or use a laptop. Especially by themselves. | |
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| | | Re: For a start..... said by KoRnGtL15:The kid is a spoiled little turd.
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Sad people resort to calling a nine year old girl who engaged in nothing more than common behavior a future pervert and a turd.
Desperate and pathetic come to mind. | |
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This is common for a 9 year old?
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kudos:7 | Re: For a start..... said by battleop:This is common for a 9 year old? Definitely not. My kid was 10 when he asked what this .torrent link was... | |
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Except port 80 and 53. | |
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|  Simba7I Void Warranties
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Billings, MT | Re: darn Good luck with that. There's ways to tunnel via port 80 and 53.
Why do you think I have my network designed like I do? Because I have 2 little geniuses that could, eventually, find their way through the roadblocks I've set.
Of course, teaching responsibility and ethical hacking are key to preventing the feds from knocking down your door. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: darn said by brianiscool:I will filter L2P and block VPN tunnels . ..and you think it's just that easy?
The only way I was able to was to put a Squid proxy for port 80, but it doesn't work well for port 443 (HTTPS). | |
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You'd be surprised how similar to HTTP new tunnels are. There's no way to block them piecemeal without blocking real traffic.
Or just run driftnet, networkminer, or wireshark 24/7 and punish appropriately... | |
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| | this is how you make a SUPER VILLAIN (from Youth) She would either forever buy copyright material and read all EULAs.
OR
She would remember this day and when she is 18 years old (in 9 years), she would use her 9 year's of planning make the biggest "up yours scheme" any copyright holder has ever seen, and become heros of pirates everywhere.
"revenge is a dish best served cold"
Muhahahahaha~~~~
THAT'S FOR TAKING AWAY MY Winnie the Pooh Laptop.
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Billings, MT | Re: this is how you make a SUPER VILLAIN (from Youth) Don't tempt her. There's quite a few good hackers that are young teenagers. Of course, if she does do something to get even, the parents get blamed and sued to death. | |
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| The tea party solution to the problem. Simply roll back the clock to what was done in 1800's, the golden age of capitalism before the imposition of big government.
1. Assess a large monetary judgement against the parents
2. Throw the parents into debtors prision for being unable to pay
3. Employ the child in a garment factory or coal mine
4. Profit
That will teach the kid! | |
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kudos:9 | Re: The tea party solution to the problem. Sad but true. | |
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kudos:78 | educate the parents maybe someone from torrentfreak will educate the parents and tell them what IPredator is all about.
I am kind of shocked that more everyday pirates don't educate these people. Least then they will know better. | |
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| | Parental Responsibility FAILURE!!! So who just lets their 9 year old do what ever the hell they want online without seeing what they are up to? My 8 year old has his own laptop but he isn't allowed to install anything he wants or go to any site he wants.
Not everything you download is what you asked for no matter what the description says.
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|  maartenaElmoPremium
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Orange, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Parental Responsibility FAILURE!!! said by battleop:So who just lets their 9 year old do what ever the hell they want online without seeing what they are up to? My 8 year old has his own laptop but he isn't allowed to install anything he wants or go to any site he wants.
Not everything you download is what you asked for no matter what the description says.
Many parents understand LESS about technology than their children do. I completely agree with the locked down laptop approach, but it isn't as cut and dry. As a technical person I am sometimes asked to help friends out with their computer problems.
A colleague at work had a problem with her 12 year old daughter's computer. She had the laptop pretty much locked down, and installed parental control software that would not allow her to go to unwanted sites. Mom had her own user on the laptop to install software.
The 12 year old however figured out the Administrator password (user Administrator was not in use and disabled) could be reset and the account enabled with a bootable CD, and this is how she installed loads of software that shouldn't be on there. She went to all sorts of MP3 download sites using the Administrator account, and eventually got infected on that account which how the laptop ended up with me.
A simple step that was forgotten: Enter BIOS setup, disable booting from anything but hard drive, and then password protect the BIOS.
This is a single (divorced) mother, trying the best she can do. She is smart, knows enough about computers to get most things right, but 99% of all parents do not know what a BIOS setup is, nor do they know any reasons to disable booting from other devices.
Kids are outsmarting many, many parents.... I was raised with a 12-channel tube color television and a record player. I got my first computer - a Commodore 64 - when I was around 15 or 16. I Got my first cell phone when I was 25. Nowadays 8 year old kids have to teach their parents how the iPad works, and that a physical CD is becoming as old fashioned as records became in the late 80ies.
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| | | | Re: Parental Responsibility FAILURE!!! I bet they also let them use the laptop unsupervised in some place where no one can see what they are doing.
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| Looks like... A bit of wrong doing on both sides here.
Sure the CIAPC was in the wrong however the article claims that the content was downloaded because the child was desperate to get a hold of the albums due to a financial circumstance. Then the next day they went and bought them.
Did I miss something here? (aside from the smell of bullshit on someones part?)
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| what is it all about? Maybe I'm just missing the picture here, but...
the police allowed the confiscation of the laptop (for which purpose!?) over some proof of the possible download of a single album (isn't that a bit... nothing?) even while the family bought the same frickin' cd in the store, so already paid the royalties (which is why the CIAPC wanted to intervene in the first place: because they wanted to see royalties).
Seems to me something's missing in the picture, or the CIAPC is so damn corrupted that the family can sue them back for a whole lot more then just a Winnie The Pooh laptop.
O yes... My parents (50+) download too. Damn right they want to take things for a test drive before buying it. If you can do it with a car, you can do it with a movie or album. If it's good enough, they'll pay for it. Same thing what I've been doing all my teenage years and after. I've got a 1200+ cd collection, so I don't think the music industry has a right to complain. | |
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| Re: what is it all about? Another thing missing is no copyright infringement was even caused in the first place.
It was a dummy file which did not match the actual copyrighted material in question. How can one commit copyright infringement if no copyrighted material was downloaded?
Now I'm not saying a Finnish court would agree with that (most likely they won't) but that's one expensive blank file.
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| Re: what is it all about? Yes, that is kind of a catch-22 for them. You can't be convicted (in the US) of copyright infringement for downloading a dummy file (something that isn't copyrighted). You could be convicted of attempted copyright infringement but no such law exists. On the other hand, if they use the real file (actual content) then they have another problem. Since these are agents of the copyright owners and they are the ones making the file available for free, they can't then go and sue people for taking it. It would be like putting a sign on your car "Take me, I am FREE" and leaving the keys in the ignition and then trying to arrest the person that took it.
That is why downloaders are not pursued in the US. | |
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apple, Oracle, etc. would have a field day with a law like that. | |
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| | so what if the girl stole the album from a best buy store, would we even care? but because she stole it over the internet and some people believe everything on the net should be free then this means it is news worthy? | |
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| | Class buy the latest album from local multi-platinum-selling songstress Chisu
I don't know who Chisu is, but if she has any class at all she'll buy a laptop for this kid and if she has any business sense at all she'll make sure the ET cameras show her going to the kid's house and giving it to her.
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| | wwwriaa All I have to say is Pooh You RIAA!
I am so sick of the music and entertainment groups filing law suits against people.
Maybe if they want to protect their sheezat, then they should harden their delivery of the product so its not so easy to copy. They spend more money arresting and placing civil claims on people then they do on technologies to protect the content.
I have stopped buying CDS because I can get them online (paid for of course), and I believe in paying for content that I will use, but I don't believe in the way the industry enforces such content. Its so easy for me to turn on the radio, plug my computer into the output of the radio station and press record. Then save this content to my CD or DVD as an mp3 file and listen to it in my car. Which in the eyes of the powers that be, is illegal. Well when you present your content to the open free world to listen to, we then have all the right in the world to do what we want with what you provided is in my reach, and very very easily.
So unless you can prove that I "cracked" a code, or "hacked" a server for content, leave me and the rest of the people alone.
I am an owner of a radio station and I stopped paying towards the ASCAP, BMI, ASCAP fees, and switch to a talk format because they were running my radio station out of business with all the music I was playing. After expense I was making 18 % and the music industry wanted 22%. At a 4% Gross loss.. you do the math.
If it wasn't for the major radio station groups like clear channel, there could have been a lobby of all radio stations to send the music industry a bill for playing their music on MY radio station. I charge $22 per 30 second commercial. So lets see... Average song is 3 mins 30 seconds, thats hmmm.. Thats $154 per song. How much do I owe you in royalties? I will deduct the royalties from the bill you owe me and send you that big fat bill.
Will they send the big fat check? HELL NO.. They are too busy suing little kids!!!! | |
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kudos:1 | They did pay for it. Doesn't fair-use rules allow for using other media/means, if you have bought a license to view/listen to the material?
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| | Good grief! Good grief. Get of your high horses people. I tried to talk to my son about illegal downloading (He's 8) and he didn't understand a word of it. His constant reply was, "all I did was search for what I wanted Dad and then when I hit one of these files (he meant a torrent link) it asked me to download this application (bittorrent) and I did. What did I do wrong?" We left it at "come to Dad when you get a pop up for anything."
My home network is very locked down with OpenDNS and Dan's Guardian and some of this still get through. So ruining a kids life over a download... not a winning business strategy.
Some of you incessant rule followers need to un-clench a little too. You are WAAYYYYYYY over the top. | |
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JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA | spotify, etc. $10/mo. All the music you want. Legally. Just do it.
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join:2002-12-23
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kudos:1 | A 9-year-old got run over by the RIAA (CIAPC)... ...downloading music Christmas Eve... You can say there's no such thing as Satan... But as for me and the 9-year-old we believe...
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