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Europe To Allow Cell Phones On Planes
And then like OMG, Brittney totally told Chad off, and I was like OMG NO WAY....
by Karl Bode Monday 07-Apr-2008 tags: business · wireless · world
The European Union has officially given the go ahead for the use of cellphones on airlines, once the plane has reached an altitude of 3,000 meters (9,800 feet). The new system will use pico cells to deliver cell service to chatty cabin compatriots, whose grocery lists and weekend plans will now rattle Europeans out of their deep slumber. It appears they're still formulating the rules, but the services will only be 2G, and won't be cheap. European lawmakers issued a few warnings we assume nobody will actually adhere to:

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Viviane Reding, the EU telecoms commissioner, has warned operators to keep the cost of calls made on planes at a reasonable level. "If consumers receive shock phone bills, the service will not take-off. "I also call on airlines and operators to create the right conditions on board aircraft to ensure that those who want to use in-flight communication services do not disturb other passengers," she said.

Who knows how exactly they plan to enforce civility among annoyed passengers (taser-equipped airline attendants?). Here in the States, the powers-that-be have thus far managed to protect us from the obnoxious in-flight prattle of our fellow countrymen by pretending iPods, Gameboys and Walkmen create rifts in the space/time continuum and instantaneous plane implosion. Sorry, Europe.

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SlickEnW
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Karl,

its zOMG now, not OMG.

Don't ask me why, either

But to be OT, this is going to be a mess. I can't stand when idiot soccer moms (not the cool ones, the ones that don't care about anyone else but they make sure your life is derailed if you are within five feet of them) . Loud talkers who think we want to hear about fantasies with the pizza guy/girl(?).

Maybe if they can permit texting only .

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Re: Karl,

said by SlickEnW:

its zOMG now, not OMG.
And before OMG it was ZOD.
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Re: Karl,

While I highly doubt that electronic devices interfere with airline flights, I do like not having to listen to people talk on a phone. Sure, I would love to have internet on the flight. That would be a nice way to kill time. However, I have no desire to hear some person talk loudly and annoy everyone else. We get that crap in movie theaters and it's annoying when a ticket is 8 dollars. For 250 dollar ride, I would like some piece and quiet.
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sadly a cell jammer could effect the plane......

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»www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMX_rqZx4Y4

For some strange reason I thought of this while reading this article...

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I agree with you. Hope this doesn't get past in the US, as it is you have folks that do it the minute the plane lands and are extremely loud. No consideration for the person in front, behind, or next to them.

nonononono

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Earplug sales and air rage.

laura
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iPods?

quote:
Here in the States, the powers-that-be have thus far managed to protect us from the obnoxious in-flight prattle of our fellow countrymen by pretending iPods, Gameboys and Walkmen create rifts in the space/time continuum and instantaneous plane implosion.
I don't get this sentence.. you can use any of these once you're at altitude.

But the cell phone thing would suck. If I'm trying to sleep and my neighbor is chatting loudly on his phone.... better not forget the earplugs.
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Re: iPods?

That line is in serious need of editing: the Mythbusters
debunked the idea that a cellphone or similar electronic
device could interfere with a plane's avionics, possibly
causing it to crash.

But the FAA doesn't want to take any chances, which is why
they tell you to switch off electronic devices during take-
offs and landings.
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laura
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Re: iPods?

said by Doctor Four:

But the FAA doesn't want to take any chances, which is why
they tell you to switch off electronic devices during take-
offs and landings.
During takeoff and landing, yeah, but you can still be annoyed by them during the rest of the flight
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said by Doctor Four:

That line is in serious need of editing: the Mythbusters
debunked the idea that a cellphone or similar electronic
device could interfere with a plane's avionics, possibly
causing it to crash.
While they could not show an affect on the avionics in the plane they tested with, the test on Mythbusters, which was not scientifically conducted in a proper testing environment, is not enough to say that cell phones will not interfere with avionics.

Mythbusters results are not scientifically valid.

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I'm a student pilot, and I forgot to turn my cell phone off and it did interfere with the radios. It didn't interfere with the instruments, but the radios were worthless. You know that buzzing sound AT&T phones like to make.
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NOCMan
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Re: iPods?

Thought FCC rules stated (Probably only applies to part 15 class devices) must accept and deal with interference.

In either case I do not suddenly see how planes can tolerate cell phones if they could not before. Plus I'd rather nothing interfere with the avionics since half the time it seems the pilot is not paying attention all the time.

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Re: iPods?

cell phones don't interfere with the avionics and never have. It was just an excuse.

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Let people make their choices.

Atleast Europe is letting the consumer make the decision. That is important.
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Re: Let people make their choices.

True. I know I won't fly on an airline that allows passengers to talk on the phone mid-flight. I'd pay more and take my dollars elsewhere.
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I hope Europe will then extend me the courtesy of allowing me to decide whether or not I should smash the telephone of the loudmouth in the seat next to me.

Seriously, either they make phone/no phone sections, or there IS going to be serious incivility on the airplanes. People are already completely stressed out by the time they get on the plane, and they still have to deal with small seats, surly flight attendants, delayed departures, and screaming children. Add a cellphones and it will be like a match in gas.

This is a bad thing.

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Maggs
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I can see it now.

Cell Phones on a Plane .... god damn those muthafooling cell phones on a plane. Staring Samuel L Jackson.
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Dogfather
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Screw that

Who the hell wants people talking loud and annoying the crap out of other passengers?

People have ZERO courtesy and it only takes a couple yaking it up to screw up the peace for everyone around these jerkoffs.

I hope the FAA keeps them banned here in the states, not 'cause they may cause problems for avionics, but only because people are inconsiderate dumb-asses who never STFU.
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Re: Screw that

How about this...

Section off those people who want to use a cell phone. Put on board a nice little "lounge" area... So nice seats and cool lighting. If you want to use your phone, you go into that area. Have a flight attendant walking around selling drinks and cigarettes

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Re: Screw that

People need to just STFU until they get off the jetway.

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said by flyingjoey:

How about this...

Section off those people who want to use a cell phone. Put on board a nice little "lounge" area... So nice seats and cool lighting. If you want to use your phone, you go into that area. Have a flight attendant walking around selling drinks and cigarettes
A lounge? How about they pay an extra fee on top of the ticket fare for the privilege of yacking on the phone while they're on the plane, and then they get a seat all the way in the back of the plane (LOTS of fun on those 727 and MD80 flights) so they can converse til their heart's content.
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Re: Screw that

said by tiger72:

said by flyingjoey:

How about this...

Section off those people who want to use a cell phone. Put on board a nice little "lounge" area... So nice seats and cool lighting. If you want to use your phone, you go into that area. Have a flight attendant walking around selling drinks and cigarettes
A lounge? How about they pay an extra fee on top of the ticket fare for the privilege of yacking on the phone while they're on the plane, and then they get a seat all the way in the back of the plane (LOTS of fun on those 727 and MD80 flights) so they can converse til their heart's content.
except they can only make calls when the pilot has those twin GE turbo fans at full power. =)
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nobody has a Need for a cell in flight outside of some dire emergency(terrorists, snakes, etc). honestly i cant imagine any businessman that would want to be in reach of his boss, many people see the plane as a few hours away from work. when i have gone somewhere i just want to sit back and not hear someone on their phone till the plane is on the ground at the destination.
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SilverSurfer1

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Non-Issue

Europeans are nowhere near as obnoxious and rude as Americans are so this shouldn't be much of a problem if at all.

natter

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Re: Non-Issue

"Europeans are nowhere near as obnoxious and rude as Americans are so this shouldn't be much of a problem if at all."

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I just peed my pants a little...
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said by SilverSurfer1:

Europeans are nowhere near as obnoxious and rude as Americans are so this shouldn't be much of a problem if at all.
Are you kidding me? The ones in the US are incredibly obnoxious because they need to advertise how special they are. I can't stand them on the commuter trains because they like to project their voices. Overweight British women have terrible cackles.
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Re: Non-Issue

Kind of like Americans in France? Or Britain? Or India, or Nepal, or Greece?

Or anywhere big fat loud Americans go?

Seriously, I've traveled the world and it is always easy to find the loud, obnoxious Americans trying to advertise how special they are.

wig - Proud American, just embarrassed by many of my countrymen abroad.
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Re: Non-Issue

said by emptywig:

Kind of like Americans in France? Or Britain? Or India, or Nepal, or Greece?

Or anywhere big fat loud Americans go?

Seriously, I've traveled the world and it is always easy to find the loud, obnoxious Americans trying to advertise how special they are.

wig - Proud American, just embarrassed by many of my countrymen abroad.
Thank you. You hit the nail precisely on the head.

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Use of zones

Maybe they can restrict voice calls to first class and the first 5 or 6 rows. This would be clearly stated as 'VOICE ZONE' or 'TEXT ZONE' on the tickets and on small stickers next to the seat numbers above the seats. People would have to be seated when using their phones, therefore directing their voices forward.

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"Thank you for...

flying with us today. We would like to inform you that cell phone use is permitted on this flight once we reach 3000 meters, however, please be aware that loud, obnoxious cell phone calls may result in you being punched in the mouth by your seatmate. Please keep this in mind when using your phone. Have a pleasant flight."
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Re: "Thank you for...

that will suck, would hate to get stuck next to some 17 year old who just broke up
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Let's hope the captain....

...has a switch that will kill the cell service, plane-wide.

That way, the flight attendants can tell him to shut off the phones because about a dozen people are about to go into "phone rage".

I'd also recommend having a proctologist aboard every flight with cell service so he can remove phones from people's asses in-flight when their seat-mates lose it and take matters into their own hands.
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Re: Let's hope the captain....

Not necessary! My goodness people! Simply have a stewardess calmly explain to the party to end their phone conversation. If he/she fails, then they can have proper authorities waiting for when the flight lands, for failing to do what was requested by airline officials.

For 99.9% of individuals, that "threat" alone would suffice. Think about it... would you chance it? Or even worse, risk the possibility of the flight being diverted and landing for emergency action simply because you didn't do what was requested (assuming you made a scene about it)?

That would make more sense, and easier to actually implement... than some device (if even possible w/o radio and controller incidents) to somehow cut-off their phone signals.

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Re: Let's hope the captain....

Killing the circuit breaker for the picocell would drop all calls in progress. No problem.

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silence is golden

in a crowded place the last think i would want to hear on a plane is a cell phone. it is too crowded in when people are loud and enclosed it builds tension and this can only be a bad thing.
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Re: silence is golden

The answer could be 5 minutes limit, that is electronically enforced. 10 minutes could be allowed on transatlantic.

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Another way for airline to charge extra

I can see it now, new cabin class service... the quiet cabin at exchange charge, and the regular economy will be the new no leg room chatty nosiy cellphone cabin
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There used to be a smoking section

now there can be a cell phone section.

C_Barkley

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Tis is turrable, just turrable

A business guy making a sale or a manager giving last minuets orders to his underlings is just as bad to listen to as a gossiping desperate housewife. Some people have no concept of volume control. Non-cell phone flights will become the new sales gimmick I predict.

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Re: Tis is turrable, just turrable

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! I think you should only be allowed to make calls that say:

"we just landed -- pick me up at (fill in the blank)"

"I had the baby on the plane -- but don't worry there was an obgyn in First class and Jr came out just fine"

"Call my attorney honey, I just suffocated the woman next to me with the barf bag because if she spent anymore time telling Sheila about what happened to Chad last weekend I was going to be forced to jump from the plane"

Sigh

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Hello

. Karl

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Worst idea every.

If cells are ever allowed on Canadian flights, I will be sure to personally send a fist in the direction of anyone yapping on a cell phone.

Cells are annoying enough as it is just in public and on the bus. No need for those on planes.

I mean, seriously, do you really NEED to use cell on the plane? And don't give me the "what if there's an emergency" bullshit, what are you going to do, stop the plane so you can tend to your 'emergency'? Course not.

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Oh this is rich...

What's next? The toilet out in the middle of the aisle? Hey, may as well...it's the same thing as exposing your private conversations to strangers.
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Re: Oh this is rich...

said by major marco:

What's next? The toilet out in the middle of the aisle? Hey, may as well...it's the same thing as exposing your private conversations to strangers.
If they feel their converstion doesn't warrant "public eavesdropping", they can simply end their converstion and call the party back at another time. I mean, common sense, wouldn't you?

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Safety issue, like ...seriously !

The other evening I was in a line up at the deli counter patiently waiting my turn while the guy next in line was yammering loudly into his bluetooth earpiece: in other words, talking loudly to himself. That annoyed me and it was only three or four minutes: I don't thnk I could handle a nine hour flight next to a cellphone user. This would only be a consumer choice issue if some airlines offer no-cellphone flights.
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Re: Safety issue, like ...seriously !

however even if the FAA did allow it i doubt people wouldnt fly an airline that didnt have the repeaters. personally id rather have TV or Broadband and a power jack then a cell repeater on a flight lol.
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lvlorpheus

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I am suprised no one here figured it out.

It is really quit simple I think, and bothers no one. You will have to by a new piece of hardware for your phone. Maybe even a new phone to go with the new hardware. all that is needed is a 1 way directional receiving mic with a noise canceling membrane on the outside that is stuck on your throat with like a velcro strap, scarf , or something like that, and a ear bud speaker. you would be able to talk quieter than you would in a normal conversation. I guess it may be time to invest in scarfs.

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Re: I am suprised no one here figured it out.

Doesn't work. The microphone can't pick up your voice if theres noise cancellation before the sound reaches it. Not to mention that noise cancellation is not real-time enough to keep whoever is sitting next to them from hearing the entire conversation.

If people want to talk privately on planes, I expect they'll just tie up the bathrooms.
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Re: I am suprised no one here figured it out.

said by kh330 :

Doesn't work. The microphone can't pick up your voice if theres noise cancellation before the sound reaches it. Not to mention that noise cancellation is not real-time enough to keep whoever is sitting next to them from hearing the entire conversation.
That is not what I am saying.

" all that is needed is a 1 way directional receiving mic with a noise canceling membrane on the outside that is stuck on your throat with like a velcro strap, scarf , or something like that, and a ear bud speaker."

The membrane is not to keep your voice down it is to repress the overwhelming roar of the engines and/or the people sitting around not bleeding into your conversation should you be seated in a seat where a persons voice is louder than the roar of the engines. Connect a earphone to your phone and stick the mic of your phone against your throat instead of next to your mouth. I believe you will find you can care on a conversation and not have to yell or anything. Have you ever talked to a person in flight on a plane and not had to lean over from time to time to hear them and raise your voice so they could hear you. A in flight conversation would be little more than a mumble to the people sitting around you if that with what I am trying to describe.

Transposed the letter in the last with is what was edited.

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.

I talked to someone while i was at 16000 feet just to see if it worked.

Nice Clear signal.
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MySay

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My goodness...

Peace and quiet is not a right in any public place. If you are ever bothered by an individual on the phone, or doing anything else, simply talk to whomever is in charge (whether it be the stewardess, police, etc.)

If it's an issue, bring ear plugs or headphones.

If it's not the children, it's the guy on the phone... if not that, it's the sound of the engines, etc. People will always have something to complain about.

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