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| KGB in the USA. Hum. Is it me or does it seem we are having less and less freedom. If it wasn't for credit cards, people in the USA would be living in the USA like a third world nation.
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| Re: KGB in the USA. said by CPM  :Hum. Is it me or does it seem we are having less and less freedom. If it wasn't for credit cards, people in the USA would be living in the USA like a third world nation. This is just another Republican ploy to incite fear into people. Also another way that they may see who is speaking out against the administration, deem them "enemy combatants" and lock them up forever, and never give them a trial, or tell them why they are being held. | |
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Miami, FL | Re: KGB in the USA. This is not a Republican ploy. Democrats are the same stock as Republicans. There is no difference anymore.
Same BS. The whole U.S. system need to be overhauled. | |
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| Re: KGB in the USA. The system is fine, it needs tuned and cleaned. Allowing money into the system has corrupted most of it.
The internet seems to be just a little more "free" than our government-by-the-people-for-the-people enjoys. TV and Radio are "free", but there's no problem there since they are restricted in what they can broadcast. The internet... no restrictions. So it must be bad, restrictions needed!
How much longer will the average American continue without a decent choice in representatives before some peaceful revolution occurs? Will it be an influx of independents into the system? Will it be the removal of all lobbyists? But more importantly, how many freedoms do we have to give up before it happens? My activities shouldn't be logged, tracked, stored, etc. and SURELY shouldn't be accessible to any investigative body. The warrant is supposed to be secured BEFORE the evidence, this makes it the other way around. The evidence is secured and waiting for the warrant.
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| said by CPM :This is not a Republican ploy. Democrats are the same stock as Republicans. There is no difference anymore. Same BS. The whole U.S. system need to be overhauled. No this is a REPUBLICAN BS going on. I don't recall Al Gore or Kerry demanding that the citizens phones be wiretapped and the m loosing their rights to a fair trial. As far as I know Bush yesterday passed ANOTHER CRAZY damn law allowing cruel and unusual punishment to SUSPECTED terrorists or similar(I only briefly read a segment of the article, anybody who actually knows the whole thing should clear it up). You don't need proof you just need to suspect them. For all I know this means he can suspect whoever the **** he wants and do away with their rights.
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| said by roc5955 :This is just another Republican ploy to incite fear into people.
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A Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives said Thursday that she plans to introduce legislation next week that would force Internet providers to record customer information for one year.
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| Re: KGB in the USA. said by DiscardedVet :said by roc5955 :This is just another Republican ploy to incite fear into people. WASHINGTON-- A Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives said Thursday that she plans to introduce legislation next week that would force Internet providers to record customer information for one year.» news.com.com/Data+retention+bill···l?tag=nlDV See, they even have some Democrats running scared! | |
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clubs: | ISP's, better start buying backup tapes.... If Mueller gets what he wants.....shudder....I would hate to see the backup tape bill that each ISP runs up if this becomes law.....I hate child predators as much as the next person, but this would be a archival nightmare for ISPs... | |
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jjoshua
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Scotch Plains, NJ | Useless For those who want to use the internet for bad things, the only thing that the ISP is going to log is a VPN connection to an offshore server. | |
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| Re: Useless Oh good grief! People have to be smarter than this ...
By all means have the ISP log my account, put a truck
outside with wiretaps up the wazoo, and put 2 federal agents
in the same room as me standing over my shoulder and they
still would be totally unable to tell where I connected to,
who I communicated with, or what I actually sent out.
Alright, I am an expert in cryptography and steganography!
Never the less, do you think the terrorists out there
cannot do what I can do if not better?
If you think so, then you are living in a dream world!
The point I am making is that there is absolutely nothing
gained by having ISPs log internet connections and it
will not in any way bring you any closer to stopping
any "terrorists" out there (what a cliche).
I'm sorry but the real agenda here is clearly to monitor
"Joe Blow" American citizen and it has absolutely nothing
to do with terrorism, porn controls, or anything of
the kind. All of that is just red herring statements
to distract people from the blinding obvious truth and
the real actual agenda at hand.
Irony is, and history proves this to be true, if they keep
this crap up, they will more likely create exactly that
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| In thinking of the children, I think that children should have PARENTAL supervision while browsing the web. Unfortunately, some PARENTS use the Internet as a baby sitter, just as they do television.
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
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| employment! Now all those former Stazi and KGB employees can get a job they're familiar with right here in the USA. The f*cktards who whine, "as long as we're safe, I don't care what they do" deserve nothing less than "detention" without a lawyer or charges or trial. | |
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| Then........ After a few months of collecting all the data, the ISP's strike a deal to sell all this data to help pay for its storage.
KGB is right. We are selling freedom for security. All these records will do is build a picture after-the fact.
Its time to stop selling out our freedoms and tighten up access to our country.
As for the predator problem...Their are better ways to handle this then record data.
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| Re: Then........ said by jpark :Actually, we are selling freedom for the illusion of security. Very nicely put!
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| Out of proportion The whole terrorism and child porn deal is thrown way out of proportion. I don't like either, but is it really that big of a problem?
I've been slipping more and more into encryption. I have several friends using Trillian's IM encryption, I sign some emails now with PGP, and I use TOR on and off. I don't do anything illegal, I just don't want anyone knowing what I do.
The whole "if you have nothing to hide blah blah" quote is bullshit. I have nothing to hide, and that's all the more reason to hide. If I arouse suspision, then fine. Let the FBI waste their time on me; they won't find anything if they are finally able to decrypt some packets.
The RIAA/MPAA is having no problem bringing people to civil court via the current data retention. Why is it such a problem for the government? I'm sure if they suspect illegal activity they can ask the ISP to retain some data on that one customer for the duration of the investigation.
What's next? Making it illegal to use services like TOR? Perhaps making it illegal to wipe your HD? [sarcasm]After all, you only do those sort of things if you have something to hide[/sarcasm] | |
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| The streets I've also heard that sexual predators and terrorists are starting to use the streets to get to the children to violate and building to blow up. Time to put bugs in everyone's car.
I've also heard that mothers are starting to use their wombs to birth these heathens. As long as it reduced crime, let's put a camera on those things so we can track them. | |
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Abingdon, MD | Re: The streets Man... forget that! I hear terrorist breath oxygen! Let's just ration oxygen and force anyone who wants to breath to prove they are not a child predator and/or a terrorist.
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| Re: The streets said by phantom6294 :Man... forget that! I hear terrorist breath oxygen! Let's just ration oxygen and force anyone who wants to breath to prove they are not a child predator and/or a terrorist. Problem solved! How about putting some taxes on Oxygen supply? 
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| This is a plot by the **AssAsses Don't think these laws will be used just to track them terrist, or pedophiles. Remember, the **AA's think downloaders are just as bad. Everyone knows the FBI will be used to track down those violent downloaders, and send them to our corporate sponsored prisons for a LONG TIME.
This isn't republican or democrat. Both parties are guilty of pandering to fear. It's time to kill all the politicians, all the lawyers, all the executives, and start a NEW society, where each contributes what they can. Down with the Bolshevik sheiks, it's high time we rise up and take what's rightfully ours. | |
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| Re: This is a plot by the **AssAsses Actually, according to this article one version of the data retention bill would have allowed civil litigants to have accessed that data. Yes, that would have meant that the RIAA/MPAA would have access to all of your Internet activity over a 2 year period just because they sued you. Luckily, it wasn't passed as is. (Of course, it could be passed "criminal trial only" and then expanded to civil trial later by sneaking it into a "must pass" bill.) | |
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| Re: This is a plot by the **AssAsses said by Jason Levine :Actually, according to this article one version of the data retention bill would have allowed civil litigants to have accessed that data. Yes, that would have meant that the RIAA/MPAA would have access to all of your Internet activity over a 2 year period just because they sued you. Luckily, it wasn't passed as is. (Of course, it could be passed "criminal trial only" and then expanded to civil trial later by sneaking it into a "must pass" bill.) Does anyone else realize just how terrifying that is. There is no reason to keep all the data in the first place, but to make it possible for someone with a grudge against you to get the data just by suing you.
Some folks say I am paranoid, and yes I have nothing to hide. That being said, it is NONE OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS what I am doing online.
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| It all fits . . . You've got Chertoff blathering that the Web could be a terror training ground:
"BOSTON (Reuters) - Disaffected people living in the United States may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the Internet and that could present the next major U.S. security threat, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Monday.
"We now have a capability of someone to radicalize themselves over the Internet," Chertoff said on the sidelines of a meeting of International Association of the Chiefs of Police.
"They can train themselves over the Internet. They never have to necessarily go to the training camp or speak with anybody else and that diffusion of a combination of hatred and technical skills in things like bomb-making is a dangerous combination," Chertoff said. "Those are the kind of terrorists that we may not be able to detect with spies and satellites."
Chertoff pointed to the July 7, 2005 attacks on London's transit system, which killed 56 people, as an example a home-grown threat.
To help gather intelligence on possible home-grown attackers, Chertoff said Homeland Security would deploy 20 field agents this fiscal year into 'intelligence fusion centers,' where they would work with local police agencies."
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Add to all of this the little celebrated fact that Bush signed a wonderful piece of legislation yesterday that allows the executive the right to suspend habeus corpus (look up 'you're fu*ked') at his whim, and it's starting to not only walk like a duck, but . . .
This is going right where the 'tin foil hat' crowd said it would 4 years ago: fascism, at a theater near you. VERY near you.
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| I wouldn't be surprised... I wouldn't be surprised if this was enforced. But, more importantly, I wouldn't be surprised if a few months later, a news report broke out that Robert Mueller was 'chatting' with minors on the Internet and it was logged by his ISP.. we'll make it.. AT&T (ahem NSA). 
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BPLSUCKS
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| Dissent [sarcasm]I guess I should take down my dissent pages encourging youth to rise up in a peaceful socialistic revolution[Sarcasm}. That might be considered "anti-patriotic" . In the end if they do monitor me they can listen to me rant about the government, see lots of pr0n, my emails with my fiance, an encrypted vpn tunnel to kuala lumpor (yay for no internet laws there)or to sweeden. If they get access to my computer they will find encrypted files/folders using RC4 encryption or CAST-128 that hold all my information. For filesharing just find a WASTE ring for the music you like. Nothing beats 2048bit blowfish (crack that RIAA). Let's not forget tor. So unless they want to look at a ton of encrypted traffic all over the U.S by people who want their privacy then they are fools for trying this and hear ISP's whining about archival costs of data that is garbage to anyone without a quantium computer to crack the encryptions. | |
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Seriously, they'll need to advance the deployment of holographic storage to keep up with this.
Then, they'll be able to store your entire existance on a disk or 2 and sharesell off any or all of it on a whim.
Your entire life's worth of movements, courtesy GPS, your entire financial history, medical history, easily stored and retrieved. Your every whim captured. Your every thought. Your every blog. Your every search, your every click, your every movement of a mouse, every pause in typing, every bowel movement.
Just put a mark on everyone so that you can't buy or sell anything, that'll fix it... Make sure it's GPS/Cellularly enabled so that every transmission is controlled and approved.
..."The world is hollow, and I have touched the sky"
There's more than meets the eyes on all of this, and it's amazing the people here who see it, and dumbfounding those that can't.
Let's sum it up:
-All GM products with OnStar not only track you, but can listen in at ANY time...
-Your handy dandy celly phone MUST have GPS.........
-"Who's agitatin' my dots?" is funny now.....
-Holographic storage is real, and it boggles the mind how vast it can be....
-Everybody has a price.
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| Re: thoughtcrime said by amungus :Just put a mark on everyone so that you can't buy or sell anything, that'll fix it... Make sure it's GPS/Cellularly enabled so that every transmission is controlled and approved. Relax that is on the way, then the prophesy of the Bible will be fulfilled. Revelations in the Bible describes.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six" (Rev. 13:16-18).
"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" (Rev. 14:11).
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| Re: don't some ISP's do this already at&t? said by ftthz :secret rooms aren't enough they are trying to make it standard procedure now? Nope secret, secret rooms in hidden dark chambers, never seen before by human eyes, with man made tools which are a bit obscene. Oh, wait that's for the innocent, NM
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