 Alky join:2001-08-12 Cleveland, OH | Welcome... To the surveillance society. Not that it hasn't been here for years. I guess the only safe place is in your mind, and maybe that's enough. | |
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 |  AlcoholPremium join:2003-05-26 Climax, MI kudos:3 | Re: Welcome... It's acceptable as long as CTU can stop the terrorists in time!  -- I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock. | |
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 1 edit | Open source Well, with open source software this isn't really a problem. That's mostly what I use anyway.
It doesn't really matter anyway. Our FBI and Justice Dept. are totally incompetent.
Would like to add sourceforge.net as a good sourde for non government infected software | |
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 |  pb5kCan't TriforcePremium join:2005-11-16 Glendale, AZ | Re: Open source Hmm, well, yes and no. IIRC, the only open source software that has its source audited is BSD, and auditing software code isn't trivial. Open source just indicates that someone can inspect and audit the code, not that it is guaranteed backdoor free. Though I agree it is generally a better option than the closed alternatives.
Of course even if your software is 100% backdoor free, it means little when your ISP and hardware manufacturers could be collaborating with the FBI.
Incompetent FBI + lots of expensive toys and privileges = bad for all americans. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco... -- "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you." -- Nietzsche | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Open source said by pb5k: auditing software code isn't trivial. I would disagree with this. Perhaps maybe if the program was obfuscated, but I've never seen that in open source.
I'm referring to smaller programs like bit torrent clients and such. For operating systems, its a little bit different. | |
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 mb join:2000-07-23 Washington, NJ | Oh boy Mouth to ear only on the important stuff, in the end, networks should never, ever, be considered secure... | |
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 WiseOldNerdDe gustibus non est disputandumPremium join:2001-11-25 Phoenix, AZ Reviews:
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| Legions of Incompetency Just what we need, more arrogant, incompetent government lawyers convinced that they and only they know what is right and good. Throw all the bastards out, if its elected to public office its a whore. And it loves to hire sycophants to extend its reach. -- My perception is REALITY | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: Legions of Incompetency said by WiseOldNerd:Just what we need, more arrogant, incompetent government lawyers convinced that they and only they know what is right and good. Throw all the bastards out, if its elected to public office its a whore. And it loves to hire sycophants to extend its reach. Except most of the Congress and a majority of Americans agree with these so-called ignorant lawyers. So it isn't only the gov't lawyers that want the government to have court ordered wiretap ability on the internet and not just old POTS telephone systems. | |
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 |  |  CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 1 edit | Re: Legions of Incompetency said by Linklist:said by WiseOldNerd:Just what we need, more arrogant, incompetent government lawyers convinced that they and only they know what is right and good. Throw all the bastards out, if its elected to public office its a whore. And it loves to hire sycophants to extend its reach. Except most of the Congress and a majority of Americans agree with these so-called ignorant lawyers. So it isn't only the gov't lawyers that want the government to have court ordered wiretap ability on the internet and not just old POTS telephone systems. You honestly think the majority of Americans agree with this? I would bet the majority of Americans don't know about it. | |
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 |  |  |  FBGuyPremium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL Reviews:
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| Re: Legions of Incompetency said by Cheese:said by Linklist:said by WiseOldNerd:Just what we need, more arrogant, incompetent government lawyers convinced that they and only they know what is right and good. Throw all the bastards out, if its elected to public office its a whore. And it loves to hire sycophants to extend its reach. Except most of the Congress and a majority of Americans agree with these so-called ignorant lawyers. So it isn't only the gov't lawyers that want the government to have court ordered wiretap ability on the internet and not just old POTS telephone systems. You honestly think the majority of Americans agree with this? I would be the majority of Americans don't know about it. ^^^^^^^^^^What he said! | |
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 |  |  |  camaro92Question everythingPremium join:2008-04-05 Westfield, MA | We have a winner,that's how you keep control of the masses either no information or disinformation,look at china the perfect example of keeping its millions of citizens inline. | |
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 |  |  | | said by Linklist:said by WiseOldNerd:Just what we need, more arrogant, incompetent government lawyers convinced that they and only they know what is right and good. Throw all the bastards out, if its elected to public office its a whore. And it loves to hire sycophants to extend its reach. Except most of the Congress and a majority of Americans agree with these so-called ignorant lawyers. So it isn't only the gov't lawyers that want the government to have court ordered wiretap ability on the internet and not just old POTS telephone systems. Because there are plenty of ignorant constituents that Benjamin Franklin should address regarding liberty and protection. | |
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| go ahead "...a way for police BIG BROTHER armed with wiretap orders word of mouth, paranoia, and little regard for the Constitution to conduct surveillance spy on anyone, anytime, anywhere, for anything..."
...had to 
This will only push more people into using even more encryption.
Backdoor everything and some folks will still find ways to cover their tracks (or not leave any to begin with). | |
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 schmol join:2001-12-26 Windsor, PA | yes master... I can hear it now, "if you don't have anything to hide, why should it bother you"...just another way for the US guberment to keep an eye on it's subjects. Guilty until proven guilty is their moto... | |
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 |  Core0000Premium join:2008-05-04 Somerset, KY | Re: yes master... Isn't that the truth..  | |
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 cghh join:2001-01-15 Milpitas, CA | What about using other languages? I suppose that next they will want to make illegal using a language not understood by the government. I am thinking of how the Army used Navajo "code talkers" to confound the Japanese during World War II. | |
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 |  | | Re: What about using other languages? Didnt they already try to do this when they hearded all the natives into rezs and force them to speak english and the ones who kept practicing tradition were killed.
So the guy above who said the fbi/doj trys to legalize stuff they been doing, so true so trrue | |
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 axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | I thought of a great way to save money and avoid problems Stop wiretapping people if there's not enough evidence to indict them. If there is enough evidence, bring them to court, and have them install the wiretap as part of a plea bargain. | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: Put the CTU inside a walled garden. said by Mr Matt: Anything illegal activity discovered by snooping not authorized by a judge should be inadmissible in a court of law. It is inadmissable in a trial. But not all wiretapping is about getting trial evidence. It is about stopping/preventing illegal & terrorist activity and not prosecuting them afterwards. I don't know about you, but I would prefer the government prevent terrorist actions than just prosecuting them after it happens. | |
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| Re: Put the CTU inside a walled garden. But if they start labeling all kinds of things "terrorism" wouldn't this.. make things a bit muddy? (Which they seem to be doing)
I was watching a video, I stumbled across a long time ago.. but it was Department of Homeland Security, I guess it was training or a meeting or something, anyways, it showed the guy in front telling everybody "The founding fathers were terrorist"... I didn't really pay attention to the video, but that one thing grabbed my attention. | |
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 |  |  | | said by Linklist:It is inadmissable in a trial. But not all wiretapping is about getting trial evidence. It is about stopping/preventing illegal & terrorist activity and not prosecuting them afterwards. I don't know about you, but I would prefer the government prevent terrorist actions than just prosecuting them after it happens. Oh, so that's why Martin Luther King was under surveillance. I never realized he was a terrorist. And I guess the Democratic Party was also a terrorist organization. I mean, why else would Nixon have had their headquarters bugged? | |
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 |  |  |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: What competition? said by genzoulv:"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin Tired old cliche not relevant to today when 1 terrorist can kill thousands at a shot with a dirty bomb or biological agent. | |
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 |  MurdocPremium join:2009-02-08 Manitowoc, WI | Also its for when everyone wakes up to what the gub' ment is doing. They know they are out numbered if that happens. I can't see that too likely everyone waking up to what they been doing. | |
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 | | Different President but the same crap. Where is the "Evil Obama and Biden" outcry in this? We heard nothing but how evil Bush and Cheney were for this but now it's just the evil guberment. | |
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 |  FBGuyPremium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL | Re: Different President but the same crap. It goes without saying. | |
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 |  pb5kCan't TriforcePremium join:2005-11-16 Glendale, AZ | There is a lot of discontent with the Obama administration among liberals, if that's what you mean. Check out any left leaning site like reddit and you'll see that.
The mainstream media has been making parallels between Carter and Obama for some time (middle east crisis with weak U.S. response, high oil prices, political backlash domestically, etc).
In any case, none of this absolves Bush. Obama is a prick for continuing this bullshit, and the prior administration shouldn't have started it. Regardless of who's in charge, law enforcement doesn't need any more expensive toys or privileges to "protect" me. All the past terror attempts on airlines were stopped by citizens, not the TSA or FBI. -- "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you." -- Nietzsche | |
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 |  dib22 join:2002-01-27 Kansas City, MO | I'm still not happy that he is caving to the paranoid machine that is running certain parts of our government. | |
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 MiB @towerstream.com | Hate much? I've never seen so much hatred for our Government agencies that try to protect America and its citizens. So do you all want to be protected from terrorists, la cosa nostra, destructive hackers, etc anymore? i understand the argument that the Government shouldn't be able to listen in on anyone they want to. but a federal agent really isn't going to spend time listening to your phone call when you call a 1-800 sex line, email your mistress from your secret gmail account, or send a picture of your privates to a co-worker. | |
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 MittvokPremium join:2008-12-18 Clarksville, MI | Our own protection. Remember, it's for our protection... | |
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 Core0000Premium join:2008-05-04 Somerset, KY Reviews:
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| 84,000 Sites closed down Didn't the FBI or some equivalent in the US, just recently shut down 84,000 sites wrongfully..and accused them of being kiddie porn sites ?
I mean if they got this stuff right and they didn't screw up so much (read 90% of the time) , and they were not human and had no evil intentions, or at least it couldn't be used for bad purposes.. I'd be all for it.
I think this is one of those penny wise pound foolish situations they are pulling. *sighs* | |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ | Happy happy, joy joy.
said by Karl Bode: phone companies now gleefully dump all your data into Uncle Sam's lap GLEEFULLY? Please this cost TPC money they don't recoup. | |
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| FBI To Announce Significant New Wiretap Push There are many variations, but this sums up my feelings- »en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
When the Nazis came for the communists, I did not speak out; As I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I did not speak out; I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; As I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; As I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out. -- Proud Linux user since 07/26/04 Registered Linux user #422376
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 syslockPremium join:2007-02-03 Honolulu, HI Reviews:
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| Malware >>The potential abuse of such backdoors by both government and hackers is fairly obvious
I can see it now... a nice piece of malware or a worm to exploit the backdoors by some other country. Lets turn your equipment into a spam machine or zombie while your not looking.
Whats to keep the fed from sending out code to all those devices to shut them down, etc.
Didn't they already try that in IRAN with the PLC's?
If more people knew about this plan I think they would be pretty ticked off about it. | |
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 |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Malware This is exactly why I am always against government backdoors. what stops a skilled blackhat from exploiting those backdoors.
The US government has proven one thing true, it cannot keep anything digital under wraps.
*I say digital because they can hide secret military aircraft pretty well but if they put the blueprints on a computer odds are it would be on Limewire the next day. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 Donut join:2005-06-27 Romulus, MI | Hmmmm, the government wants more power People should not fear their government. Governments should fear their people.
What would the founding fathers think of this? To me this is bull shit. Thats why I dont trust Uncle Sam. -- Mr. Donut
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 MerinXCrunching for CuresPremium join:2011-02-03 kudos:1 | GG Yes lets have backdoors into everything for the FBI, that could never go wrong or be abused.... | |
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 | | The tubes I for one welcome our new network overlords -- Reach out and Tap someone! | |
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 | | Corrupt Government America makes such a big deal out of China, yet we really are no better. Our entire Government is corrupt. Both Democrats and Republicans. They want to run our country like China, and take away all our rights. Its really sickening. | |
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