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| Re: Blame Bush.... I always wondered why there was a black van outside my house. I have told my GF to stop saying "its the bomb" when she is chit chatting with her girlfriends.
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| Re: Blame Bush.... Easy Rob, i was being sarcastic. It seems that alot of discussions in here inevitably lay the blame on the Pres.
Aside from that, who says we don't have a national broadband plan?
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| Because clearly, the American president (acting as 1/3 of the branches of government) has absolutely nothing to do with the decisions he makes, or those that he puts in position to make decisions. 
I wouldn't say he's 100% liable, but to say he's totally uninvolved with any and all actions made by capital hill during his terms is hard to believe. The buck stops anywhere but here, I guess? | |
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The senior staff in charge of the FBI spy plan. |
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| said by S_engineer  :As always in here, it's his fault! Not a real heavy information seeker, are you?
Even if your post was a sarcastic jab, it still serves to discredit any legitimate criticism of criminality by the Bush administration, in the same cheerleading spirit as Fox News Channel. | |
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| Re: Blame Bush.... On the contrary, I seek too much info...Any critism of the administration should also reflect upon the representatives, from both parties, that the American people elected.
Your knee jerk reaction to degrade one cable news program without scrutinizing the rest speaks volumes.
I have news for you; the only reason Fox's ratings are so high is because they have fould the sensationism formula that works best. That does not mean that the other media outlets aren't spewing propaganda in their own way. In many cases, they are trying to emulate "fox's cheerleading" spirit.
So if you're going to hold one to the standard, please hold them all!
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| Re: Blame Bush.... said by S_engineer :On the contrary, I seek too much info...Any critism of the administration should also reflect upon the representatives, from both parties, that the American people elected. Your knee jerk reaction to degrade one cable news program without scrutinizing the rest speaks volumes. I have news for you; the only reason Fox's ratings are so high is because they have fould the sensationism formula that works best. That does not mean that the other media outlets aren't spewing propaganda in their own way. In many cases, they are trying to emulate "fox's cheerleading" spirit. So if you're going to hold one to the standard, please hold them all! I actually agree with you on that point. Fox is just the most egregious example of the bastardization of the news genre and the morphing into opinion media. I would love to see Wolf Blitzer actually have a spine when interviewing ANY of his guests. Whatever happened to a scrutinizing media that would hold those in power to answering tough questions? Keith Olbermann on MSNBC does a great job setting a tough standard on those in power. If DC goes fully to the Democrats in 2008, I'll expect to see Olbermann's show be just as tough on the Democrats as he has been on the Republicans. If not, then I've been shnookered, but he is one of the few media hosts I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to right now. A free press is the best check and balance against abuse of power in government. A propagandist media is the worst enemy of the people, and the best friend of the power trust. The lessons of Hitler clearly aren't understood in America, as people in general have a complete ignorance of the lessons of history. A perfect example of this failing, take a look at the now famous video of the girl from South Carolina trying to answer a pretty basic maps question in the Miss Teen contest. God Bless America. | |
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| said by S_engineer :As always in here, it's his fault! Well according to Bush, he is "the decider". Actually I blame the completed fools who voted for Bush fascism not once but twice. Now all you fools who voted for Bush and airport restroom champaign protocol repeat after me...
"Fool me once...shame on, shame on you...fool me can't get fooled again." 
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| Re: Blame Bush.... said by hpguru :Well according to Bush, he is "the decider". He decides where the blame goes. | |
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Potomac, MD | Re: interesting news... I have to wonder about the usefulness of all this given the availability of cheap, "disposable", pre-paid cell phones.
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| Re: interesting news... said by not2cr8iv :I have to wonder about the usefulness of all this given the availability of cheap, "disposable", pre-paid cell phones. it covers all communications devices(cell phones included). Not only can they listen in on those phones, the person making the call is carrying a digital hand held gps tracking device. Even though there is no name attached to that phone, it shouldn't be that hard to track down the person using it if necessary. | |
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| said by not2cr8iv :I have to wonder about the usefulness of all this given the availability of cheap, "disposable", pre-paid cell phones. Even disposable cellphones have to go thru a telco switch at some point. The call is then vulnerable to capture. And if the caller has ever been captured anywhere before and ID'd, then voiceprint technology can ID them even on a throwaway cellphone.
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| Re: interesting news... Yes, the call is "vulnerable" to capture--but that's not the point. All calls are "vulnerable" to capture. It's that unless the user somehow identifies the phone as his, or makes a call to a "hot" number, the FBI/CIA/NSA has no idea or reason to listen to the disposable cellphone's calls--so they fly "under the radar" without being intercepted.
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Even my disposable cellphone has to go thru a telco switch at some point. My call is then vulnerable to capture. And if my calls have ever been captured anywhere before and ID'd, then voiceprint technology can ID me even on a throwaway cellphone. Fixed it for you. Got you pegged. 
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| Does everyone have the memory and forsight of a gold fish? They don't have the technology, they said...
They don't have any reason to spy on anybody but foreigners, they said...
They are doing it to protect our freedoms, they said....
The next administration will fix the last administrations mistakes (said every election year), they said....
America will be great again one day, they said....
Tin foil this, tin foil that, they said.....
Which administration was responsible for legalizing domestic spying again? How many years did it take to create such an infrastructure again? How many different administration over these many decades or so abused these powers again? The elites are important to this country for what again? | |
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| Re: Does everyone have the memory and forsight of a gold fish? said by hottboiinnc :It took just less than 8 years to create the network. Although will it still operate after 2008 we'll have to wait and see. The domestic spying network is older then 8 years, has evolved in the last 8 years and will continue past 2008. "Who's gonna stop it? You? HAHAHA" said the man behind the curtain... | |
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| Re: Does everyone have the memory and forsight of a gold fish? its only gotten to the point where it is now because we have to protect our country from terrorists. But then again He lives in DC. Who says things won't change with the next president? Things can be changed just as fast as they have been put in. | |
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| Re: Does everyone have the memory and forsight of a gold fish? said by hottboiinnc :its only gotten to the point where it is now because we have to protect our country from terrorists. But then again He lives in DC. Who says things won't change with the next president? Things can be changed just as fast as they have been put in. Gold Fish, is that you? What was it that I just said? Oh wait, nevermind. It's not important anyway.... | |
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| said by hottboiinnc :its only gotten to the point where it is now because we have to protect our country from terrorists. But then again He lives in DC. Who says things won't change with the next president? Things can be changed just as fast as they have been put in. Yes, we needed to spend BILLIONS on domestic surveillance to stop all these terrorists. You know the ones that have been all over the news doing car bombs/kidnapping senator daughters/blowing up government building, shooting RPGS out car windows. Oh wait...
Let me guess you are going to say "well it just proves its working". Oh yes it's been working, its been working BEFORE 9-11 attacks to according to government..so that theory is shot.
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| Re: Does everyone have the memory and forsight of a gold fish? said by markopoleo :said by hottboiinnc :its only gotten to the point where it is now because we have to protect our country from terrorists. But then again He lives in DC. Who says things won't change with the next president? Things can be changed just as fast as they have been put in. Yes, we needed to spend BILLIONS on domestic surveillance to stop all these terrorists. You know the ones that have been all over the news doing car bombs/kidnapping senator daughters/blowing up government building, shooting RPGS out car windows. Oh wait... Let me guess you are going to say "well it just proves its working". Oh yes it's been working, its been working BEFORE 9-11 attacks to according to government..so that theory is shot. You make a great point about how terrible of a job we have been doing stopping/slowing down terrorists here in America. Why just this morning my train was delayed again because a nut with an RPG was blowing things up in midtown Manhattan. In fact, it really bothers me that I need to take the long way home these days to avoid those crafty snipers hiding in windows. The good news is that at least the kidnappings have slowed down this week, and I only needed to run from one suicide bomber. But overall you are totally correct, the terrorist are clearly winning here and we should just give up and convert before they come for us!
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| Read it but don't weap as this is only the tip of the iceberg; If it isn't redacted then it isn't close to what's really going on.
Also, the 'quaint' old FOIA is currently under challenge by our bathroom-stall pudboys in D.C. It seems the WH has had enough of these pesky requests for information and wants immunity from such nonsense. Did someone say Bush?
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| Re: Read it but don't weap One can only hope more people come to realize that government ultimately isn't here to help the people; they're here as protection for the opiate that blurs you from watching them help THEIR people 
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| said by Titus Pullo :as this is only the tip of the iceberg; If it isn't redacted then it isn't close to what's really going on. Democracy is nothing more than fascist lipstick. from th article: "Many of the details of the system and its full capabilities were redacted from the documents acquired by the Electronic Frontier Foundation,..." | |
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| said by Titus Pullo :Democracy is nothing more than fascist lipstick. LOL wow. Democracy is the worst system evar! But better than all the rest. | |
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Not (just) to keep the government from spying on you... But if the infrastructure is there, then it's exploitable by others. | |
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MoeDumb
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Encrypt Encrypt Encrypt Encrypt Encrypt Encrypt Encrypt.
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Tin foil this, tin foil that, they said....
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Land O Lakes, FL | Re: thank you, please come again Will it catch absconding Chinese thieves that have raised millions for the leading democratic presidential candidate? | |
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clubs: | This is Fine This is fine, but only if a proper US court issues a warrant before any wiretapping begins. Never, under any circumstances, should any phone be wiretapped without the express permission by a court of law. | |
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| Re: This is Fine said by texans20 :This is fine, but only if a proper US court issues a warrant before any wiretapping begins. Never, under any circumstances, should any phone be wiretapped without the express permission by a court of law. And what does that have to do with reality? Obeying laws is only for the powerless. | |
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| said by OdinFaktor :Obeying laws is only for the powerless. Just ask Sandy Burglar Berger Burglar.
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| Re: This is Fine Hey, somebody had to destroy the National Archives copy of the memo that documented Clinton's passing on the opportunity to take out Bin Laden, didn't they?
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| ministry of truth Today's chocolate ration is 30g, which is up from last week's! (43g)
I find it curious that so many people scream "they still need a warrant" or "it's only for foreign calls" when the proof is now squarely in public view...
"DCS-6000, known as Digital Storm, captures and collects the content of phone calls and text messages for full wiretap orders."
The CONTENT, yes, the actual content.
Sure, we have 500GB drives available at a cheap price, or even some fancy arrays that we can get for servers etc... what "they" have is likely so far beyond this it's not funny. The ability to tap, record, sift, decrypt is probably trivial by now.
"With new CALEA-compliant digital switches, the FBI now logs directly into the telecom's network. Once a court order has been sent to a carrier and the carrier turns on the wiretap, the communications data on a surveillance target streams into the FBI's computers in real time."
And just like that, all of your base are belong to whoever has access... and whoever watches the watchers...
"FBI wiretapping rooms in field offices and undercover locations around the country are connected through a private, encrypted backbone that is separated from the internet. Sprint runs it on the government's behalf."
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| Re: ministry of truth said by amungus :Today's chocolate ration is 30g, which is up from last week's! (43g) I'm just pissy that we've not had our 1080p telescreens installed yet.
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| Re: Don't worry, it'll crash after Patch Tuesday. said by birdfeedr :"but they show that DCSNet includes at least three collection components, each running on Windows-based computers." Thank God for that.
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| Comment Having worked with the FBI over 30 years in LE, I'll say that they are made up from the same quality as society: The Good, bad, and ugly. Management seems to like ineptitude.
Bush is but an example of the dimwitted by-product of those empowered by finance rather than ability.
The internet, and all digitial systems, have been established in a manner that allows easy audit. Take a few minutes to determine where quite a few 'proxy' and VPN services are centered: Langley, VA.
Encryption is great. PGP? Who created and 'sells' it? Who are they allied to?
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