  Z80APremium
join:2009-11-23 | Subscriptions or numbers? Big difference. I have a single subscription but 4 VOIP numbers. If I had POTS wouldn't that be the same as four "access lines"? | |
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 ·WOW Internet and..
| Re: Subscriptions or numbers? prices subject to change without notice and are subject to each market. Also online prices are not available in the store. what anything else against the Best Buy shopping policy?
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| |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
 ·Clear Wireless
| said by brianiscool:Land line $40 a month or Ooma one time $200 fee. .. and being on board for the next Sun Rocket: Priceless! | |
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| | | | | Re: Subscriptions or numbers? I believe if Ooma were to get into trouble financially, another Voip provider would be bought out before it goes under. Ooma would be a nice addition to Skype, Google Voice or any of the Voip providers that don't have a physical presence. | |
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| | | | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: Subscriptions or numbers? said by exRolmman:I believe if Ooma were to get into trouble financially, another Voip provider would be bought out before it goes under. First of all, it's when not if Ooma has financial troubles. They're charging a one-time up front fixed cost for a service that has perpetual variable operational costs. Eventually either Ooma needs to convert to a monthly subscription service, or more likely -- the people at the top will take the money and run. That's just how Ponzi schemes work -- Madoff's clients loved him when they thought they were making money at a rate that defied all logic, but eventually folks get bitch slapped by the cold hand of reality.
Also after the Teleblend acquisition of Sun Rocket after they went under, I think most companies would be timid about acquiring such a toxic enterprise. | |
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| | | | | Z80APremium
join:2009-11-23 | Re: Subscriptions or numbers? Exactly...what they are doing is called a PONZI SCHEME. | |
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| | | | | |  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
·Comcast
| Re: Subscriptions or numbers? Worse.. What will they connect with if the MAJORS (telcos) decide to opt out of service (seperate and bankrupt the voice services)
A} no POTS to connect to.
B} no voice network to connect to
The telcos are much more prepared to go ALL VoIP than any secondry service (ie they OWN the backbone and network) the minor VoIP players own NOTHING. | |
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| | | | | | | | The magic jack in the biggest Ponzi scheme of VOIP in america. The name even tells you that your going to get jacked. lol | |
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|  bencPremium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
·Charter
| said by Z80A:Big difference. I have a single subscription but 4 VOIP numbers. If I had POTS wouldn't that be the same as four "access lines"? Good point. What further confuses the issue is the fact that not every VOIP subscription/account has an associated DID (phone number). It's possible to have VOIP for outgoing only. I wonder how those are counted, if at all. | |
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| | POTS vs VOIP vs Wireless It would be interesting to see the actual usage of POTS vs VOIP vs Wireless and not just the number of lines. There are a lot of people keeping POTS lines as a backup, fax line or alarm line but rarely used for voice. I have a POTS line I use for a couple faxes a month and thats it, while I use thousands of minutes on my cell. | |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | 141 million POTS connections I wonder how many of those are like my mother who for some reason still has a POTS line but never uses it since she has a cell phone. I guess at 63 she's just used to having a traditional phone in the house. I keep trying to tell her she'd save $500 a year by dumping it, but she still keeps it. Last time I had a POTS line was 4 years ago. | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Re: 141 million POTS connections said by BF69:I wonder how many of those are like my mother who for some reason still has a POTS line but never uses it since she has a cell phone. Probably a lot of them and the number of landlines has undoubtedly dropped even more in the last year and a half. Telemarketers continue to kill the goose that laid the golden egg as we speak. | |
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| | nothing like having current up-to-the-minute data!!
And we're relying on the "guvamint" to run our health care!! | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: nothing like having said by Bob61571:current up-to-the-minute data!! And we're relying on the "guvamint" to run our health care!! Unless you're on medicaid or medicare( most of the tea party people ) there is no government run health care. Nearly 100% of the 32 million covered on "Obamcare" will get their insurance from PRIVATE insurance companies. Not sure how that is government run health care. See I choose to know FACTS about stuff instead of what some slanted news media tries to tell you what to believe. | |
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| | | | Re: nothing like having I would like to see you back up your claim that most of the tea party people are on medicaid or medicare with a link because I think that's BS. | |
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bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY Reviews:
 ·Verizon VoiceWing
 ·Verizon FiOS
·VOIPo
| POTS vs VOIP I have not has a POTS line in 3 or 4 years. My two POTS lines were costing me $100 per month (I make a few international calls) plus $18 a month for Verizon DSL. I did not look around for the absolute cheapest VOIP, but I ended up paying $18 per line. So $36 total for VOIP and about $45 for FIOS saved me around $37 a month.
Honestly, I cannot understand why anyone with any kind of broadband would have a POTS line. Most of our local friends have Cablevision and they all seem to have the additional VOIP.
I think the low VOIP prices available actually frighten technically uninformed people away. | |
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| bencPremium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL Reviews:
·Charter
| Re: POTS vs VOIP said by bgraham:Honestly, I cannot understand why anyone with any kind of broadband would have a POTS line. Most of our local friends have Cablevision and they all seem to have the additional VOIP. I think the low VOIP prices available actually frighten technically uninformed people away. I'm one of those people. VOIP is something I even studied extensively for myself. One word: Reliability. For me at least, it's been by far the most reliable utility out of everything. It's even been more reliable than the city water, if you can believe that. To get the same reliability with VOIP would cost significantly more. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but doggone it! If I pick up the phone, then I always expect to hear a dial-tone. VOIP has it's place, but I don't think it will ever fully replace POTS, or digital voice lines (ISDN, Voice T1, etc.). | |
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| | nycitynyPremium
join:2005-08-09
New York, NY Reviews:
·VoicePulse
·PHONE POWER
| Re: POTS vs VOIP said by benc:VOIP has it's place, but I don't think it will ever fully replace POTS, or digital voice lines (ISDN, Voice T1, etc.). I guess you mean that POTS will never entirely go away and will co-exist with VOIP. But for some of us it has been "fully" replaced by VOIP, in that I have two VOIP lines and zero POTS lines.
In terms of reliability, yes POTS is more of a sure thing. But with two VOIP lines and a cellphone I feel pretty comfortable that I'll have a dial tone when I need one under normal circumstances. An electrical outage will likely leave me in the dark (pun intended) with cell towers being overloaded and VOIP down. But that doesn't happen too often. | |
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·Comcast
| Re: POTS vs VOIP Then obviously you have never had a natural disaster happen to you.
After two tropical storms with widespread flooding (Agnes and Eloise) and a hurricane (Isabel) along with a near-miss from an F5 tornado (the last two *since* 9/11, and both in the Washington, DC area, which is home), despite how good VoIP voice quality is (which I know from using it) and the low price, a POTS backup is still a good thing to have. | |
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| | | | nycitynyPremium
join:2005-08-09
New York, NY Reviews:
·VoicePulse
·PHONE POWER
| Re: POTS vs VOIP said by PGHammer:Then obviously you have never had a natural disaster happen to you. I've had natural and unnatural disasters happen, all prior to having VOIP. Here in NYC we had 9/11 and then a several day blackout a few years later. And I grew up in Los Angeles with earthquakes.
So when one of those things happen I will be lost and might regret lacking a landline. But I choose not to make purchasing decisions in constant preparation for such events. Heck, such an event might do so much damage that the lack of a phone would be the least of my worries. NYC doesn't get many natural disasters so I'll roll the dice and save money while I'm doing it. | |
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| | TheMGPremium
join:2007-09-04
Canada
kudos:1 Reviews:
 ·TekSavvy DSL
| I'm not getting POTS line for my new condo I'm moving into. Will go the Voip route. POTS is just ridiculously expensive around here you get gouged on everything.By the time you add caller id, call waiting, voice mail (all of which are considered options) and a long distance plan (required if you don't want to pay insane per-minute rates for long distance) you're looking at over $60 a month just for one line.
For emergencies, there's always the cell phone which I will not be paying a penny for (employer provided). So in the off chance that the voip is down and I need to contact 911 for whatever reason, no problem. Cell tower overloading is extremely unlikely in that area. | |
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| | | One good reason is my alarm system, it doesn't want to play nicely with VoIP. | |
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·Comcast
·T-Mobile US
1 edit | Re: alarm sys with VOIP not a real issue anymore Id look into a alarm broadband adapter (ABN) OR VM101 Broadband Alarm Transmitter (BAT). Most alarm systems ( MOST MANUFACTURES) to date are now compatible with a Internet connection, just many people don't know there are adapters on the market. I have no POTS lines in any of the 3 locations I live at. Chicago, Orlando, Toronto. its Internet and VOIP connections in all. and all three have alarm systems and monitoring services but all are over the internet from 2 different companies. As for power outages that was my concern for VOIP, however get a good UPS of 650 or better and it will run your modem, voip device ( if its a ATA) or thin client if your using Magicjack, and a standard corded phone for 24 hrs give or take a few hrs.. | |
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS
| legacy telcos About 100 million are Verizon lines. Probably less after the jettisoning of more copper (rust bucket) municipalities in 3 states. Of the 140 million + lines, about 90 million still have no viable alternative. Think of all the lines in Qwest, and AT&T (which have not been upgraded yet). Yet more from the stalled FIOS overlay.
And, if those municpalities don't stop moaning.. what? more sales of copper network? | |
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