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FCC Asks Verizon About That $1.99 Mystery Data Fee
'Dear sirs, might we inquire about the millions pilfered via skulldruggery?'
by Karl Bode Friday 04-Dec-2009 tags: legal · business · wireless · consumers · Verizon Wireless Broadband
Last summer, Teresa Dixon Murray at the Cleveland Plain Dealer did a great job highlighting a phantom $1.99 fee Verizon Wireless was hitting consumers with -- even when phones were off, phone batteries were dead, Internet access was blocked, or the phones couldn't go online. Many of you at the time complained about the fee as well. If you remember, Verizon told the paper they'd fix the problem, the charges were "erroneous" and that users would be getting full refunds.

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Apparently, we were the only people who read that story, because in November David Pogue at the New York Times wrote the exact same story complaining about the rogue fee -- and this time it generated all manner of controversy. Pogue's story did add an extra wrinkle, given it contained information from a Verizon employee stating that the entire thing was essentially a ruse designed to generate millions in additional revenue, and Verizon wasn't doing a thing to stop it:

(even if you choose to block online access to avoid the fee)...you get a message that you cannot use the service because it's blocked--BUT you just used 0.06 kilobytes of data to get that message, so you are now charged $1.99 again! Our marketing, billing, and technical departments are all aware of this. But they have failed to do anything about it—and why? Because if you get 87 million customers to pay $1.99, why stop this revenue?

Especially if nobody is paying attention except the Cleveland Plain Dealer and Teresa Dixon Murray, right? After all, ripping people off is the second most loved American pastime behind baseball, and some consider it an inalienable right. But whereas the Dealer story didn't get much attention, the Times story did -- and the FCC has now started sniffing around as a result. According to the FCC, they've sent this letter to Verizon (pdf) asking the company to explain the phantom fee.

"In light of a recent New York Times article suggesting that customers may be charged $1.99 for inadvertently accessing Verizon Wireless’s Mobile Web, we would like to better understand the terms and conditions of such access," says the FCC. The letter goes on to ask pointed questions about the nature of the fee, why it's necessary, and why users still incur the fee when they ask online services to be entirely blocked. On the heels of a new bill taking aim at excessive ETFs, the FCC letter also asks Verizon why the carrier felt it necessary to bump their ETF for smartphones from $175 to $350.

The ETF question should be easy enough for Verizon lawyers to answer, given that in addition to making money, Verizon's interested in preventing people from turning around and selling high-end subsidized smartphones like the Droid on eBay. That at least makes some semblance of sense, even if many people think high ETFs are anti-competitive and a rip off. It's Verizon's answer to the $1.99 fee that should be considerably more interesting. There's really only a few possibilities:

Malicious: The phantom $1.99 fee was created to screw consumers from the start. That would certainly not be new for the baby bells, who've generated countless billions in bogus fees and other surcharges over the last thirty years. Disgusting.

Incompetent and malicious: The phantom $1.99 fee is an ongoing billing systems mistake by Verizon (which certainly wouldn't be unique to the company), but Verizon became aware of it and did nothing to stop it. Or worse, as Pogue's insider claims, they encouraged support to prevent customers from resolving it to avoid losing the revenue it generates. Disgusting and sad.

Just incompetent: The phantom $1.99 fee was a multi-year mistake by Verizon, impacting thousands (if not millions) of customers for several years, and a Cleveland consumer beat reporter noticed it before they did. Verizon somehow managed to deploy fiber to the home to 40% of their user footprint in just a few years, connects millions of users and businesses across a myriad of conduits daily, and operates the most sophisticated lobbying apparatus in American industry -- but couldn't identify or fix a significant consumer billing issue. Just sad, but in a unique and disgusting way.

Surely Verizon has a really interesting answer to why they were generating millions in additional revenue off what appears to be either a gigantic screw up, a huge con, or both. Should we start a pool on Verizon's justification for the fee? To "improve the customer experience?" Perhaps to "maintain the integrity of the network?" To resolve congestion? Protect the environment? This ought to be good.

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vzwcon

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How about this classic?

It's FOR THE CHILDREN!

ThrowDemsOut
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Re: How about this classic?

How about they have idiots programming their billing systems and can't figure out how to not charge users even though they told Verizon to disable online data access. And their phones programming allows users to turn on data by accident by picking a wrong menu option.

Rob
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Re: How about this classic?

said by ThrowDemsOut:

How about they have idiots programming their billing systems and can't figure out how to not charge users even though they told Verizon to disable online data access. And their phones programming allows users to turn on data by accident by picking a wrong menu option.
I don't think it's the programmers who are at fault...
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Re: How about this classic?

It might be, at least to begin with. Verizon is abysmal when it comes to their billing systems. But it doesn't explain why the problems don't get resolved.

There are legitimate questions here about how the volume of these errors suffered by Verizon customers, be they this $1.99 fee, or the phantom FiOS TV fees that enjoy popping up -- they make quite a tidy profit off of their own dysfunction by customers who don't examine their bill with a fine-toothed comb.

I mean, this is a company that can wire 40% of its footprint nationally with fiber to the home in three to four years, but they can't bill their customers accurately?

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Re: How about this classic?

said by Karl Bode:

I mean, this is a company that can wire 40% of its footprint nationally with fiber to the home in three to four years, but they can't bill their customers accurately?
From what I understand, even their FiOS division suffers from constant billing problems.

Maybe it's this $1.99 fee that funds the FiOS project
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Re: How about this classic?

In these mega corps like VZW, there's probably a group that defined what the programmers were to put into the system, and somewhere along the way (either programmer, or audit)a logic step is missing, and due to the programmer / business relationship, it is stuck in a 'NMP' finger pointing.

Eg. Programmer put in code that any messages/data access requires a $1.99 fee / month.
VZW sends out a text message monthly for 'free' with your balance.
User gets charged $1.99 data fee, but no txt message fee (as text is disabled).

Need some upper/middle management to step in and take care of the issue and eat crow.

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Re: How about this classic?

I would imagine that's exactly where it's starts, but if you read the insider quoted in the last Pogue column, it's highly inferred that at this point Verizon's fully aware of the problem -- they just don't want to fix it because it generates millions in additional revenues annually. For doing nothing (well I guess they have to incur their own support costs). Nice profit margin I think.

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LMFAOd at work.

SrsBsns

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Att started charging data like this about 4 months ago. You use 1 kilobyte and blam flat $2.00 fee. No collusion here...

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Re: How about this classic?

Yes, just like the 200% collective increase in SMS prices. Accidental uniformity.

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Re: How about this classic?

said by Karl Bode:

Yes, just like the 200% collective increase in SMS prices. Accidental uniformity.
On something that costs them zip, zero, NADA.

Freaking ripoff...
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Plain and simple greed.

Remember, greed is good. At least Gordon thinks so......

Speaking of classics, classic flick....
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It's not new at all. Even older than these anecdotes can pinpoint! This issue has been going on along with other billing related jackassery for over 10 years with vzw.

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It is the crappy vendors they use for their software design who seem to have no clue. Also, it takes money to fix the issue...and anytime it costs money to resolve an issue Verizon will not fix it untill they are forced to by the Government/Regulatory Bodies.
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Re: How about this classic?

It takes a macro, not money, to remove a charge from all user's accounts.. and, if it does cost money, it's a very small amount that they can dip into their profits to correct - aka, "operating expense"..

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Re: How about this classic?

said by fiberguy:

It takes a macro, not money, to remove a charge from all user's accounts.. and, if it does cost money, it's a very small amount that they can dip into their profits to correct - aka, "operating expense"..
Why spend money to fix and "issue" that is making them money?
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Re: How about this classic?

said by ptrowski:

said by fiberguy:

It takes a macro, not money, to remove a charge from all user's accounts.. and, if it does cost money, it's a very small amount that they can dip into their profits to correct - aka, "operating expense"..
Why spend money to fix and "issue" that is making them money?
Exactly!

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How about they have "geniuses" programming their billing systems. Verizon generates huge profits from their long announcements when one calls in: blah, blah, leave a callback number, blah blah. Five or six seconds on each an every message left the user adds up on their user base, providing millions of $$ for those few additional and useless seconds of prompts.

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Or, "it's just business".
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i wonder how many times one gets transferred when calling in about this. you say its a data charge, so the billing CAE pounds their forward to tech support button, but tech support has minimal training in billing(billing isnt their job its why there is a billing department) and it likely pingpongs back and forth.
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here's a more up-to-date one.

if you dont pay the 1.99 phantom fee, the "terrorists" will win

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Whats the 1.99 a month for?

so when the NSA wants to look at you, your covered.

Sorry had to say it.
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Re: Whats the 1.99 a month for?

They can watch me all they want, but it should be free.

All I ask is that they pay 1/2 of the phone sex bill.

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Re: Whats the 1.99 a month for?

Ouch! You keep giving that privacy away and see where it lands you (and us).
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said by k2nnj:

They can watch me all they want, but it should be free.

All I ask is that they pay 1/2 of the phone sex bill.
With a DSLR screen name like yours, you obviously have nothing to hide. We all know exactly who you are and where you are
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I hope the FCC sticks it to Verizon good....

This is a bogus fee that's unfair to all of Verizon's consumers and should be stopped immediately.

I fear that the FCC will not have the teeth to be able to stand up to Verizon because their history has shown them to be 'less then aggressive' in righting telco wrongs and they will instead of making an example out of them, settle for a 'slap on the wrist' and a "promise" not to do it again from Verizon.

Welcome to big business where everyone wins except the little guy....
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catch 22

to send pic text i have to have interent unblocked and risk getting hit with this everytime i text..
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Re: catch 22

said by i1me2ao:

to send pic text i have to have interent unblocked and risk getting hit with this everytime i text..
That is an issue with your phone. I have ALL data services blocked on mine (with Verizon) and can still send text, audio, and picture messages.
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FCC? is this not an FTC issue?

I'm at a loss how a billing concern has anything to do with the FCC. The FCC has no regulation authority on what wireless plans are sold or what is charged, that's an FTC or AG of individual states concern?
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Re: FCC? is this not an FTC issue?

said by guppy_fish:

I'm at a loss how a billing concern has anything to do with the FCC. The FCC has no regulation authority on what wireless plans are sold or what is charged, that's an FTC or AG of individual states concern?
... Think again.

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said by guppy_fish:

I'm at a loss how a billing concern has anything to do with the FCC. The FCC has no regulation authority on what wireless plans are sold or what is charged, that's an FTC or AG of individual states concern?
Sorry but here's an explanation of the acronyms:

Federal Communications Commission
Federal Trade Commission

And Last I looked, Verizon is in Communications...
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Re: FCC? is this not an FTC issue?

Actually this also might fall under the FTC since it involves a company falsifying records or creating misleading contracts / data systems in order to bill customers for something that they shouldn't.

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What exactly could the FCC do if they find

Verizon did this maliciously for financial gain?

ispjournalis

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now applied to wireline too?

I've got $1.85 on my wireline bill. It says

Surcharge(s)
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FCC

At least we now have an FCC that is looking into things regardless of whether or not they can do anything about it. Pretending to care is better than not caring at all.

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Blame The Customer

Perhaps they will blame the customer and call it a fee for not reading your bill. Whatever the outcome, Verizon will say it is blameless and it is the fault of everyone but them including Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile.
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Well.....

Well, in my experience, customers get hit by this fee because their kids or themselves have itchy fingers and go on to explore Get It Now. But, as a good rep myself, I would cancel and block every single data feature on the phone besides text message unless customer wants to add this and add that.

Now, as per VZW policy....they will teach you not to block anything and leave it as it is unless customer tell you to block 'em or whatever. To avoid this kind of thing I just thing VZW should add all sorts of block on the phone but txt message and have the customer to request to remove any type of block.
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Re: Well.....

said by glinc:

...customers get hit by this fee because their kids or themselves have itchy fingers and go on to explore Get It Now. But, as a good rep myself, I would cancel and block every single data feature on the phone besides text message...
Let me explain about VZW: My kid HAS all data features blocked, and still was dinged with nearly $8 for 4MB. And his fingers are not itchy - he knows GIN is not available.
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Don't Blame the Programmers

If they were losing $1.99 per customer per month, I can guarantee you they would have resolved the matter in record time.

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Re: Don't Blame the Programmers

Probably the best comment of the bunch.

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Credit or Refund / PLEASE, No Voucher(s)

FCC should force VZ to refund & credit all customers billed for the phantom charges. Otherwise, we will all get another batch of vouchers to be applied upon contract renewal and/or discount coupons to buy accessories.

We've seen that before, haven't it .... especially those of us that've been with VZW for a while (we've been using them since the Bell Atlantic Mobile days)
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Verizon will still come out ahead

How much money is Verizon going to make in just interest alone off this phantom fee. Yes they will have to pay their customers back, and MAYBE a fine but for as long as this has been going on that is a lot of money connected. Why not just acknowledge that its an error, keep doing it until your told to stop, pay it back and just keep what the bank paid in interest

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Re: Verizon will still come out ahead

said by rendrenner:

How much money is Verizon going to make in just interest alone off this phantom fee. Yes they will have to pay their customers back, and MAYBE a fine but for as long as this has been going on that is a lot of money connected. Why not just acknowledge that its an error, keep doing it until your told to stop, pay it back and just keep what the bank paid in interest
They are denying it's an error, AFAIK, they are going to keep doing it, they have already shown that, and I doubt they will pay any of it back.
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scam

The fee is a scam to fatten already deep wallets. The amount of greed displayed and gotten away with is amazing.

You can receive this charge even when you explicitly state you dont want any of the services just proves my point.

I have a phone with no data services, that phone is turned off in my drawer i get billed 1.99 surrrre its legit.
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Its called the CEO Retirement Fund

Its called the CEO Retirement Fund. The company I work for has one to. PURE THEFT.

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Not only Verizon

I've got a "family plan" with Sprint and have my 89 year old mother-in-law on the plan with a basic phone for emergencies. I requested blockage for 4 months in a row and removal of the "Data usage" fees of anywhere form 4-10 dollars. They finally figured iit out and for the last few months its been clean. Secret is you have to look at every entry on your bill, understand it and bitch real quick if there are "mystery fees" that pop up. I've not experienced Verizon but I've got AT&T, Earthlink and Sprint and they all have slipped in various fees and surcharges over the past year. The fees are usually less than 2.00 so its almost not worth my time to bitch about them (and these telcos plan on that attitude). The 40.00 a month wireline ends up costing over 50.00 after they atack on all their various fees that should have been cost of doing business in the first place. There's not one telco that I've dealt with that I trust and some are just downright sleazy. Bottom line check your bill question any thing that doesn't look right and don't let up!

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Stoping it

Only way to stop it is to slam them with a huge fine. None of this 5-10 million crap. Put a big B in front and let them suck on that for a few seconds and it will end tomorrow.
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Re: Stoping it

said by VegasMan:

Only way to stop it is to slam them with a huge fine. None of this 5-10 million crap. Put a big B in front and let them suck on that for a few seconds and it will end tomorrow.
NOPE! those fine would just end up on your bill as some other BS lineitem.
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Re: Stoping it

said by dvd536:

said by VegasMan:

Only way to stop it is to slam them with a huge fine. None of this 5-10 million crap. Put a big B in front and let them suck on that for a few seconds and it will end tomorrow.
NOPE! those fine would just end up on your bill as some other BS lineitem.
Nope! If they could raise their prices they would have done so already!

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Skulldruggery?

Dear sirs, might we inquire about the millions pilfered via skulldruggery?"

No such word as skulldruggery

skul⋅dug⋅ger⋅y  [skuhl-duhg-uh-ree]
–noun, plural -ger⋅ies.
1. dishonorable proceedings; mean dishonesty or trickery: bribery, graft, and other such skulduggery.
2. an instance of dishonest or deceitful behavior; trick.
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Re: Skulldruggery?

At one point 4 or 5 years ago, everytime you paid your bill to Verizon online, they immediately hit your cc account with a 1.00 charge. That was supposed to come off when the actual bill was processed. It did come off during the time I had the service, but they never had a good explanation for it. Could they have been testing to see who complained?
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Re: Skulldruggery?

said by carpetshark3:

At one point 4 or 5 years ago, everytime you paid your bill to Verizon online, they immediately hit your cc account with a 1.00 charge. That was supposed to come off when the actual bill was processed. It did come off during the time I had the service, but they never had a good explanation for it. Could they have been testing to see who complained?
That is a Valid Charge that any retailer uses to verify that the CC is a good number, that is why the charge always comes off.

I dislike Verzion as much as anyone else but that chrge is valid as long as it's not pasted on to the consumer.
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Story is getting some legs...

Home from work and have seen this story on all of the major news sites. Hopefully some good will come out of it and the regulatory bodies will hammer Verizon.

erniewitt

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Welcome to Canada, country of socialized ceullar service!

With respect to dirtyjeffer's sig on Howardforums.com, Canada side:

" System Access Fees are charged by all wireless companies to help pay for the network and the ongoing software, technology and other upgrades to that network. Generally, the higher the fee, the greater the opportunity to invest in network quality to enhance your experience. Just one more reason to choose Bell. "

And might I add, all wireless carriers charge an activation fee, a "government regulatory recovery fee", and a separate ETF for voice and data.

Of course all these fees are before sales taxes.

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