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 |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Re: How about this classic? How about they have idiots programming their billing systems and can't figure out how to not charge users even though they told Verizon to disable online data access. And their phones programming allows users to turn on data by accident by picking a wrong menu option. | |
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 |  |  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL kudos:2 | Re: How about this classic? said by ThrowDemsOut:How about they have idiots programming their billing systems and can't figure out how to not charge users even though they told Verizon to disable online data access. And their phones programming allows users to turn on data by accident by picking a wrong menu option. I don't think it's the programmers who are at fault... -- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us | |
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1 edit | Re: How about this classic? It might be, at least to begin with. Verizon is abysmal when it comes to their billing systems. But it doesn't explain why the problems don't get resolved.
There are legitimate questions here about how the volume of these errors suffered by Verizon customers, be they this $1.99 fee, or the phantom FiOS TV fees that enjoy popping up -- they make quite a tidy profit off of their own dysfunction by customers who don't examine their bill with a fine-toothed comb.
I mean, this is a company that can wire 40% of its footprint nationally with fiber to the home in three to four years, but they can't bill their customers accurately? | |
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 |  |  |  |  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL kudos:2 | Re: How about this classic? said by Karl Bode:I mean, this is a company that can wire 40% of its footprint nationally with fiber to the home in three to four years, but they can't bill their customers accurately? From what I understand, even their FiOS division suffers from constant billing problems.
Maybe it's this $1.99 fee that funds the FiOS project  -- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: How about this classic? In these mega corps like VZW, there's probably a group that defined what the programmers were to put into the system, and somewhere along the way (either programmer, or audit)a logic step is missing, and due to the programmer / business relationship, it is stuck in a 'NMP' finger pointing.
Eg. Programmer put in code that any messages/data access requires a $1.99 fee / month. VZW sends out a text message monthly for 'free' with your balance. User gets charged $1.99 data fee, but no txt message fee (as text is disabled).
Need some upper/middle management to step in and take care of the issue and eat crow. | |
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| Re: How about this classic? I would imagine that's exactly where it's starts, but if you read the insider quoted in the last Pogue column, it's highly inferred that at this point Verizon's fully aware of the problem -- they just don't want to fix it because it generates millions in additional revenues annually. For doing nothing (well I guess they have to incur their own support costs). Nice profit margin I think. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: How about this classic? Yes, just like the 200% collective increase in SMS prices. Accidental uniformity. | |
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| Re: How about this classic? said by Karl Bode:Yes, just like the 200% collective increase in SMS prices. Accidental uniformity. On something that costs them zip, zero, NADA.
Freaking ripoff... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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| Plain and simple greed.
Remember, greed is good. At least Gordon thinks so......
Speaking of classics, classic flick.... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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- A -- LETS GO METS! | |
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 |  |  DolganPremium join:2005-10-01 Sun Prairie, WI Reviews:
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| It is the crappy vendors they use for their software design who seem to have no clue. Also, it takes money to fix the issue...and anytime it costs money to resolve an issue Verizon will not fix it untill they are forced to by the Government/Regulatory Bodies. | |
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 |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: How about this classic? It takes a macro, not money, to remove a charge from all user's accounts.. and, if it does cost money, it's a very small amount that they can dip into their profits to correct - aka, "operating expense"..  | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: How about this classic? said by ptrowski:said by fiberguy:It takes a macro, not money, to remove a charge from all user's accounts.. and, if it does cost money, it's a very small amount that they can dip into their profits to correct - aka, "operating expense".. Why spend money to fix and "issue" that is making them money? Exactly! | |
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| How about they have "geniuses" programming their billing systems. Verizon generates huge profits from their long announcements when one calls in: blah, blah, leave a callback number, blah blah. Five or six seconds on each an every message left the user adds up on their user base, providing millions of $$ for those few additional and useless seconds of prompts. | |
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 |  SLDPremium join:2002-04-17 San Francisco, CA | Or, "it's just business". | |
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 |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | i wonder how many times one gets transferred when calling in about this. you say its a data charge, so the billing CAE pounds their forward to tech support button, but tech support has minimal training in billing(billing isnt their job its why there is a billing department) and it likely pingpongs back and forth. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 |  geonaplolatidiots join:2005-12-14 Glendale, CA kudos:1 | here's a more up-to-date one.
if you dont pay the 1.99 phantom fee, the "terrorists" will win | |
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 | | Whats the 1.99 a month for? so when the NSA wants to look at you, your covered. 
Sorry had to say it. | |
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 |  k2nnj join:2004-05-06 Caldwell, NJ | Re: Whats the 1.99 a month for? They can watch me all they want, but it should be free.
All I ask is that they pay 1/2 of the phone sex bill. | |
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 |  |  SLDPremium join:2002-04-17 San Francisco, CA | Re: Whats the 1.99 a month for? Ouch! You keep giving that privacy away and see where it lands you (and us). | |
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 |  N3OGHCertified GLG-20Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs kudos:1 | The NSA.
They CAN hear you NOW! | |
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 Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM join:2001-05-25 Austin, TX kudos:7 Reviews:
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| I hope the FCC sticks it to Verizon good.... This is a bogus fee that's unfair to all of Verizon's consumers and should be stopped immediately.
I fear that the FCC will not have the teeth to be able to stand up to Verizon because their history has shown them to be 'less then aggressive' in righting telco wrongs and they will instead of making an example out of them, settle for a 'slap on the wrist' and a "promise" not to do it again from Verizon.
Welcome to big business where everyone wins except the little guy.... -- There are 3 sides to every discussion: Mine, Yours & The Truth. Which side are YOU on?
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 | | catch 22 to send pic text i have to have interent unblocked and risk getting hit with this everytime i text.. -- calling a illegal alien undocumented is like calling a drug dealer a undocumented pharmacist | |
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 guppy_fishPremium join:2003-12-09 Lakeland, FL kudos:1 | FCC? is this not an FTC issue? I'm at a loss how a billing concern has anything to do with the FCC. The FCC has no regulation authority on what wireless plans are sold or what is charged, that's an FTC or AG of individual states concern? | |
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 |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: FCC? is this not an FTC issue? said by guppy_fish:I'm at a loss how a billing concern has anything to do with the FCC. The FCC has no regulation authority on what wireless plans are sold or what is charged, that's an FTC or AG of individual states concern? ... Think again.  | |
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | What exactly could the FCC do if they find Verizon did this maliciously for financial gain? | |
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Surcharge(s) | |
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| Blame The Customer Perhaps they will blame the customer and call it a fee for not reading your bill. Whatever the outcome, Verizon will say it is blameless and it is the fault of everyone but them including Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears. | |
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| Well..... Well, in my experience, customers get hit by this fee because their kids or themselves have itchy fingers and go on to explore Get It Now. But, as a good rep myself, I would cancel and block every single data feature on the phone besides text message unless customer wants to add this and add that.
Now, as per VZW policy....they will teach you not to block anything and leave it as it is unless customer tell you to block 'em or whatever. To avoid this kind of thing I just thing VZW should add all sorts of block on the phone but txt message and have the customer to request to remove any type of block. | |
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 | | Don't Blame the Programmers If they were losing $1.99 per customer per month, I can guarantee you they would have resolved the matter in record time. | |
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 |  CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 | Re: Verizon will still come out ahead said by rendrenner:How much money is Verizon going to make in just interest alone off this phantom fee. Yes they will have to pay their customers back, and MAYBE a fine but for as long as this has been going on that is a lot of money connected. Why not just acknowledge that its an error, keep doing it until your told to stop, pay it back and just keep what the bank paid in interest They are denying it's an error, AFAIK, they are going to keep doing it, they have already shown that, and I doubt they will pay any of it back. | |
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| scam The fee is a scam to fatten already deep wallets. The amount of greed displayed and gotten away with is amazing.
You can receive this charge even when you explicitly state you dont want any of the services just proves my point.
I have a phone with no data services, that phone is turned off in my drawer i get billed 1.99 surrrre its legit. | |
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 | | Its called the CEO Retirement Fund Its called the CEO Retirement Fund. The company I work for has one to. PURE THEFT. | |
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| Not only Verizon I've got a "family plan" with Sprint and have my 89 year old mother-in-law on the plan with a basic phone for emergencies. I requested blockage for 4 months in a row and removal of the "Data usage" fees of anywhere form 4-10 dollars. They finally figured iit out and for the last few months its been clean. Secret is you have to look at every entry on your bill, understand it and bitch real quick if there are "mystery fees" that pop up. I've not experienced Verizon but I've got AT&T, Earthlink and Sprint and they all have slipped in various fees and surcharges over the past year. The fees are usually less than 2.00 so its almost not worth my time to bitch about them (and these telcos plan on that attitude). The 40.00 a month wireline ends up costing over 50.00 after they atack on all their various fees that should have been cost of doing business in the first place. There's not one telco that I've dealt with that I trust and some are just downright sleazy. Bottom line check your bill question any thing that doesn't look right and don't let up! | |
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 VegasManAre We There Yet?Premium join:2002-11-17 Schaumburg, IL | Stoping it Only way to stop it is to slam them with a huge fine. None of this 5-10 million crap. Put a big B in front and let them suck on that for a few seconds and it will end tomorrow. -- In need of a Vegas vacation.
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 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Re: Stoping it said by VegasMan:Only way to stop it is to slam them with a huge fine. None of this 5-10 million crap. Put a big B in front and let them suck on that for a few seconds and it will end tomorrow. NOPE! those fine would just end up on your bill as some other BS lineitem. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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 SOLdesignDid I drink a shot of Irrational Whore?Premium join:2002-07-29 Woodland Hills, CA | Skulldruggery? Dear sirs, might we inquire about the millions pilfered via skulldruggery?"
No such word as skulldruggery
skul⋅dug⋅ger⋅y [skuhl-duhg-uh-ree] noun, plural -ger⋅ies. 1. dishonorable proceedings; mean dishonesty or trickery: bribery, graft, and other such skulduggery. 2. an instance of dishonest or deceitful behavior; trick. -- If sexy's the goal, I'm the hat trick.
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 |  |  westdc join:2009-01-25 Amissville, VA kudos:1 | Re: Skulldruggery? said by carpetshark3:At one point 4 or 5 years ago, everytime you paid your bill to Verizon online, they immediately hit your cc account with a 1.00 charge. That was supposed to come off when the actual bill was processed. It did come off during the time I had the service, but they never had a good explanation for it. Could they have been testing to see who complained? That is a Valid Charge that any retailer uses to verify that the CC is a good number, that is why the charge always comes off.
I dislike Verzion as much as anyone else but that chrge is valid as long as it's not pasted on to the consumer. | |
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 DolganPremium join:2005-10-01 Sun Prairie, WI | Story is getting some legs... Home from work and have seen this story on all of the major news sites. Hopefully some good will come out of it and the regulatory bodies will hammer Verizon. | |
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" System Access Fees are charged by all wireless companies to help pay for the network and the ongoing software, technology and other upgrades to that network. Generally, the higher the fee, the greater the opportunity to invest in network quality to enhance your experience. Just one more reason to choose Bell. "
And might I add, all wireless carriers charge an activation fee, a "government regulatory recovery fee", and a separate ETF for voice and data.
Of course all these fees are before sales taxes. | |
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