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»www.alleyinsider.com/2008/6/fcc_···_screwed
The FCC's staff has given the XM and Sirius merger the go-ahead, which means it's finally a done deal (after a mere 15 months or so) unless something extraordinary happens in the near future, the WSJ reports.
Technically, the FCC itself has to vote on the merger, and XM (XMSR) and Sirius (SIRI) will have to agree to a couple of concessions (price caps, a pledge to let other companies make receivers, a promise to hand over 8% of the spectrum to third-party broadcasters, etc).
But there's no reason to think the commission itself won't approve the deal, likely within the next three weeks. And the desperate satellite guys would agree to just about anything to get this deal done. Unfortunately, we still don't see a merger helping the two companies out long-term: Consumer apathy plus increased competition are much harder to overcome than federal regulators. To read the WSJ article, go here and click on the link:
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The WSJ hints that Martin may NOT have the votes to get this passed, thereby triggering MORE concessions by XM & Sirius.
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Charlotte, NC | I have a bad feeling about this I chose XM for a reason (music choice, not subsidizing Howard Stern, etc). I hope Sirius doesn't screw XM over too badly.
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join:2007-10-10
Reading, PA
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| Re: I have a bad feeling about this They made it perfectly clear that if you choose not to change your service, then your service will not change. I listened to XM and Sirius, and chose Sirius for the music selection and the NFL and NASCAR coverage.
If they were to cut out the music channels I like because they feel XM's are better, then I will not be a happy camper.
With the fact that they have 17 million receivers out there that can only pick up one or the other, I wouldn't expect channel consolidation to take place for a few years. | |
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join:2002-12-07
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| Re: I have a bad feeling about this said by pennstatejim  :They made it perfectly clear that if you choose not to change your service, then your service will not change. I listened to XM and Sirius, and chose Sirius for the music selection and the NFL and NASCAR coverage. When did they make that clear? I have never heard that anywhere. The few details I have heard was that XM subscribers would be able to get NASCAR back and also have the NFL, and the Sirius Subscribers would have MLB and the college games now offered on XM Only.
Outside of that few programming details have been released, almost like it is a state secret.
I would be very upset if my XM music channels get changed in the process, just as I was upset when Sirius outbid XM for the rights to NASCAR.
I don't want Howard Stern and I don't want O&A either. However I would not want to keep their fans from getting whichever they want. Personally I find them both old, tired and stupid.
I just want my music channels left alone and I want my access to NASCAR back.
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I chose XM for a reason (music choice, not subsidizing Howard Stern, etc). I hope Sirius doesn't screw XM over too badly.
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| Re: How big will the kick back be to the GOP. said by Mr Matt :  I wonder how many $$$ Sirius/XM will kick back to the "Greedy Old Pigs" (GOP), through campaign contributions, for using the Kevin Martin rubber stamp to approve the merger? Nowhere near as much money as the NAB has used to bribe (oh I'm sorry, "lobby") congressmen and others in order to stop the merger.
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| Re: How big will the kick back be to the GOP. That quote is exactly where I got that from. Both companies are bleeding money, it doesnt take a genius to figure out that if your company loses money each year it is in existence that's a bad thing. Investment capital isn't some unlimited money fountain.
The reason they will never admit they're going to be bankrupt without the merger is because if it doesnt go through, their stock will immediately drop like a rock while everyone scrambles to get out. No company is stupid enough to admit that it's doomed unless it wants to lose its investors. | |
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| Re: How big will the kick back be to the GOP. said by EPS :That's true- the only companies allowed to lose money year after year for extended periods of time are the major airlines, and even they have to go bankrupt now and then. Don't forget General Motors. | |
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| Well if their stocks drop like a rock, than maybe the market just is not ready for satellite radio. If this was a REAL unregulated capitalist society, than the market would prevail, but this is just another form of corporate socialism, wishing that the merger will make satellite radio survive. If the one company goes down, than there will be some truth that people do not want to pay for radio, when they can get it for free.
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| Re: How big will the kick back be to the GOP. said by DaveNJ :said by roc5955 :Well if their stocks drop like a rock, than maybe the market just is not ready for satellite radio. If this was a REAL unregulated capitalist society, than the market would prevail, but this is just another form of corporate socialism, The government isn't giving sirius/XM any money. There are just merging operations. Companies merging is not socialism. Who said that the government was giving these companies money?
FYI: From Merriam-Webster online, the definition of socialism is: 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods (or services)
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The government is, in this case advocating collective ownership of the entire satellite radio industry. By one corporation. By allowing them to do this, it is a form of socialism. If there was real competition in the marketplace, one or both would either sink or swim, without the need for the government to okay their monopoly.
And don't give me that stuff about it not being a monopoly. It is a monopoly of satellite radio broadcasting.
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| Rubber stamp?? You do realize that this merger has had more scrutiny and investigation than any oil, bank, telecom or any other merger in recent memory don't you? The NWA-Delta merger will probably close in less time than it took the FCC to deal with this. As if the corrupt Democrats would have done any better? Kind of like Conrad and Dodd going after Countrywide when they themselves benefitted from a sweetheart deal as a friend of Angelo. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: How big will the kick back be to the GOP. They rubber stamped just about everything but this deal. | |
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It took 15 months!!! That is an insane amount of time for this type of merger. They have let oil companies merge (which effects consumers way more than this will) in a matter of a few months.
I wouldn't call this a rubber stamp deal. Check your facts. | |
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| Lame Conditions quote:
There will supposedly be some concessions applied to the $5 billion merger, including the carrier being forced to turn over 24 channels to noncommercial and minority programming ...
Why are these conditions in place? Satellite radio is a luxury service. It should not be subjected to the same inane content regulations that made terrestrial radio the garbage that it is today.
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| Re: Lame Conditions said by pnh102 : quote:
There will supposedly be some concessions applied to the $5 billion merger, including the carrier being forced to turn over 24 channels to noncommercial and minority programming ...
Why are these conditions in place? Satellite radio is a luxury service. It should not be subjected to the same inane content regulations that made terrestrial radio the garbage that it is today. Agreed.
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| Re: Lame Conditions said by furlonium :said by pnh102 : quote:
There will supposedly be some concessions applied to the $5 billion merger, including the carrier being forced to turn over 24 channels to noncommercial and minority programming ...
Why are these conditions in place? Satellite radio is a luxury service. It should not be subjected to the same inane content regulations that made terrestrial radio the garbage that it is today. Agreed. Amen screw minority programming people won't listen to it anyway. | |
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Austin, TX | Re: Lame Conditions And let us not forget the "public access" channels that the local authorities force onto the cable systems. I just love trying to find something to listen to on the car radio on Sunday morning. It is either church or public service shows. | |
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| said by Chiyo :Amen screw minority programming people won't listen to it anyway. You might want to take a listen to Sirius. As a subscriber, I can tell it literally has something for everyone. The government should have no business telling a private subscription-based service what content it should not carry.
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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: Lame Conditions Really, you mean I can listen to Cantonese music on Sirius? Considering it is the third most spoken language in the US, I would expect to be able to, but instead I get subjected to tons of Spanish and FRENCH channels. | |
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| Re: Lame Conditions said by inteller :Really, you mean I can listen to Cantonese music on Sirius? Considering it is the third most spoken language in the US, I would expect to be able to, but instead I get subjected to tons of Spanish and FRENCH channels. You can always broaden your horizons
I am sure if it is profitable to carry Cantonese music on Sirius, they'd do it. The government still has no business telling Sirius what it can and cannot carry.
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| Re: Lame Conditions said by DaveNJ :The minority programming thing is a joke as well. Its purely based on race. Not on ideas. For example the first music to go in the merger is Trance. So basically music is second to race. Great Idea! Great, thats something I would listen if I subscribed to that now is gone (not sure what channel ur talking about exactly). Just wave the racism, minority, feminism, and antisemitism flag and the government falls on their knees infront of you. | |
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join:2001-02-26
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| said by DaveNJ :They should just carry English programming, which is fair to all people. Well, it isn't REALLY fair to all people. But if you live in a country the least you could do is learn the language spoken there. The reason so many immigrants can't speak english even after being in the country for 10+ years is that they speak spanish/whatever at home, at work among eachother and watch/listen to spanish/whatever language programs. Imagine if we went to France and utterly refused to speak French, they wouldnt think twice about calling us assholes. | |
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| said by inteller :Really, you mean I can listen to Cantonese music on Sirius? Considering it is the third most spoken language in the US, I would expect to be able to, but instead I get subjected to tons of Spanish and FRENCH channels. You get the French channels because the signal extends into Canada and they are providing content for the French-speaking portion of that country, which is officially bilingual, IIRC.
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| said by pnh102 :Why are these conditions in place? Satellite radio is a luxury service. It should not be subjected to the same inane content regulations that made terrestrial radio the garbage that it is today. In actuality, it isn't that big of a deal as both providers have several vacant channels in their line up. When they merge and eliminate duplicate channels, even more vacant channels will exist.
As to whether it makes sense, it doesn't, but since the FCC does regulate spectrum, they can mandate it. | |
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DoRight
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| Hope Sirius doesn't change.. :) I just hope that Sirius doesn't go down the drain. They have taken such good care of me as a customer.
Examples: I gave my radio to a friend and didn't get it back so they gave me a new one at no charge and transferred my service.
I lost my job and could not afford to pay for a few months so they gave me a few months free until I could pay. Now that is a company that wants to keep their customers happy. Go Sirius!!! | |
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| Re: Hope Sirius doesn't change.. :) said by DoRight :I just hope that Sirius doesn't go down the drain. They have taken such good care of me as a customer. Examples: I gave my radio to a friend and didn't get it back so they gave me a new one at no charge and transferred my service. I lost my job and could not afford to pay for a few months so they gave me a few months free until I could pay. Now that is a company that wants to keep their customers happy. Go Sirius!!! Well the "pre-merged" XM is very similar. I purchased my radio, and one month later it pooped out, I couldn't take it back, but had to send it into Delphi for repair, I contacted XM and they credited my account a month for the time that I would be without the radio (which turned out to be only a week). In November last year I contacted them and told them I was done, out of money. They gave me 3 months free as a courtesy. I called again after the 3 months were up and XM gave me an insane discount for one year.
Will those "bend over" discounts happen when the merger goes through, I don't know, probably not. They will always have to deal with someone just cancelling because it truely is a luxury and not a necessity. | |
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| minorities use the Crutch Again to get free stations/bandwith.....
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funny did exxon-mobile give 10% of their stations to minorities for free. Bet it did not happen...lol
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Tulsa, OK | Re: minorities use the Crutch Again well, considering there are ZERO Chinese language channels on XM, I'd say that this is a great concession. | |
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| Re: minorities use the Crutch Again Well, at the rate China is buying all our debt, devaluating it's currency to keep the $ down and building a secret, MASSIVE naval & military - stealing and pirating all our tech in the process, it won't be too long before ALL Sirius & XM channels are Chinese!
Maybe then you'll pipe down... doubtful, somehow. | |
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join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ | Does this mean??? Does this mean, I'm getting my Nascar, NBA, MLB and my Howard Stern for the same price... Yooohoooo!
I was a long time XM customer, but I moved over to Sirius after Stern left K-rock. | |
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join:2007-10-10
Reading, PA
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| Re: Does this mean??? said by flyingjoey :Does this mean, I'm getting my Nascar, NBA, MLB and my Howard Stern for the same price... Yooohoooo! I was a long time XM customer, but I moved over to Sirius after Stern left K-rock. No, it means you'll have to pay a little more to get the combined broadcasts of both Sirius and XM...OR...you'll have to drop some of the Sirius channels and replace them a la carte with the XM channels...
I often wonder how this will work. I love Sirius and the only thing I would want from XM would be the MLB games. But, I'm sure as it is on Sirius, the games are on different channels and not dedicated channels. Does this mean I need to pick up Oprah Radio on XM just to get an MLB broadcast?
It would be good if you could get Sirius + an MLB package. Sort of how the MLB Extra Innings and NFL Sunday Ticket packages work... | |
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| Re: Does this mean??? said by pennstatejim :No, it means you'll have to pay a little more to get the combined broadcasts of both Sirius and XM...OR...you'll have to drop some of the Sirius channels and replace them a la carte with the XM channels... I often wonder how this will work. I love Sirius and the only thing I would want from XM would be the MLB games. But, I'm sure as it is on Sirius, the games are on different channels and not dedicated channels. Does this mean I need to pick up Oprah Radio on XM just to get an MLB broadcast? This information has been available for close to a year now, but you have to hunt through corporate paperwork to find it. I'll try to summarize.
If you want everything available on both platforms, you'll need to pay double what you pay now. There is no discount for subscribing to "everything". There are roughly a million people who already subscribe to both XM and Sirius. This merger is supposed to help drive more new business to satellite radio, not give discounts to a million-plus current subscribers.
If you buy a new dual-band radio, then you may choose various packages (sports, Stern, Oprah, Opie & Anthony, etc) from the other company's service. And yes, they will continue to operate as two separate services for the foreseeable future. They will have to cut a few channels to make room for the new minority nonsense, but they won't be eliminating duplicate programming. Both companies will continue to have different 70s channels, different jazz channels, etc. They can't eliminate dupes and combine the services because both platforms use different technology to encode and decode the multiplex of channels.
The a la carte plans are not truly a la carte. For $6.99 you get to pick 50 channels from a cut down list of the complete offering. Sports, Stern, Martha, Oprah, O&A, etc. are all NOT available as part of this 50-channel plan. Also, many of the most listened to music channels are not available as part of this plan (but you can add them for 25 cents each). All this requires new radios which do not exist yet.
They do have plans called "Everything XM and Select Sirius" and vice versa that you can get on current radios. Each company will simulcast 11 as yet unnamed channels of what they call "the best of" the other company's lineup. Don't expect any of the premium channels to be part of this, however. Since those premium channels would cost more separately, it would make no sense to offer them as part of a lower priced package that includes even more channels.
In other words, this merger sucks for the consumer, and they are deliberately vague and almost misleading at times about the "a la carte" offerings. The best channels will be spread out over multiple plans, so as to tease you into keeping the complete service. | |
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| Satellite Radio Sux My XM free trial is about to expire, (new car 3 month free trial) I will NOT renew because if I have to pay for something I do NOT want to here commercials. Or god forbid I drive under a bridge for a split second and the signal is lost.
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| Re: Sirius/XM The FCC did have a rule on the books forbidding the two holders of satellite radio licenses from merging... now, an FCC rule can be changed, but the fact remains that this merger was expressly forbidden- putting conditions on it isn't too surprising. | |
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join:2006-07-23 |  Again, I fully support this merger
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Middleboro, MA | Go to the Origins The creator of Satellite Radio was forced to give up spectrum (which became XM) and his became Sirius.
They intend on bringing TV to the road without a rotating gyroscopic dish on the roof of your car.
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| Re: Go to the Origins said by bigjimc :They intend on bringing TV to the road without a rotating gyroscopic dish on the roof of your car. They need mad bandwidth for it. Where have you been?
»www.kvh.com/Products/product.asp?id=125
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join:2007-06-26
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| My thoughts Here's the thing as a consumer. I have a Sirus deck in my new car (it came with a "free" 6 month trial that I am seriously thinking about extending) but how long will they guarantee that the new company will send out signals compatable to the devices currently out there? 5 years? 10 years? Until the last pre-merger consumer equipment fails?
No one knows and that's the scary thing as a consumer, why pay for something that will hit an evolutionary dead end at some undetermined point of time?
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join:2007-10-10
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| Re: My thoughts According to Sirius over at »www.siriusmerger.com no radio will become obsolete:
We guarantee no radio will become obsolete. Your current radio will continue to provide you with the programming you enjoy, whether you keep your current service or change to a new subscription plan.
Everything I've read on that site points to the fact that if you're happy with your service as it is, you don't have to do anything, and you will continue to get the service at the same price level (at least for 3 years). | |
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| Re: My thoughts I see, only other issue for me then I suppose is whether I want to bother with a "lifetime" subscription (or if the "lifetime subscription" option is even still on the table)
As I understand it, a Sirius lifetime subscription allows for three transfers between different HW correct?
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join:2001-11-10
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| SIRIUS customer And I found SIRIUS to be mildly entertaining. I still listen to it from time to time, mostly the jazz stations, but the "wow" factor has long worn off to the point that I don't feel inclined (in these times of insane gas prices) to pay the other $100 to keep the service. I'm still debating that.
I chose SIRIUS over XM because quite frankly, SIRIUS had better looking devices. I know that's pretty fickle, but that's the nuts and bolts of it. I can't stand ugly looking hardware, and XM's all look horrible to me. Music selection seemed mostly comparable.
I'm one of the people who doesn't listen to channels that are so selective as to be considered "minority". Different languages - we're in the US, I listen to stuff in English. Don't listen to Stern, though I might change to Bubba every now and then.
SIRIUS' big negative is the bridge effect; I can't stand it. Because we're so freeway heavy out here, every on-ramp and major street has at least one bridge, and because we don't know how to coordinate traffic lights properly, it means more often than not, you'll be forced to stop right under a bridge - cutting out the signal. Drives me nuts, especially since the recorder feature does not actually tie back to the broadcast at any server level (in other words, you'll listen to a song for 3 minutes, it cuts out under a bridge, when you get through, the song is cut too instead of just retrieving the full song from a server source).
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| Re: SIRIUS customer Interestingly, I pass a strange intersection on my way to work. There is no bridge, no special trees or buildings, yet I loose signal on a very specific part of the street, coming to the light. I don't get it, some strange electromagnetic thingamajiggy under the road screwing me up. | |
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Enola, PA | (((xm))) could care less what the devices look like----however, do care very much about the programming. love the (((xm))) programming over sirius' offerings. love audiovisions, the loft, cinemagic, & many, many more. hope sirius doesn't mess it up. | |
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