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Amerika | Re: I see higher rates in the future Exactly. The network costs what it costs. They will raise rates, cap or both.
Forcing video over 3G would certainly bring caps to iPhone. | |
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1 edit | ZOMG, like the exo-flood crysis. Pu-leze.
BTW, there are already CAPs on the iPhone. 5GB, which is reasonable for over-the-air networking. | |
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1 edit | Re: I see higher rates in the future Do you have a link to the iPhone having a 5GB cap? All of my paperwork for iPhone says unlimited and I can't find any reference to an iPhone cap on ATTW's site. I believe that 5GB smartphone caps only apply if you have a "tethering" plan like the Blackberry plan with tethering.
EDIT - I'm looking at my online usage and it says amount used of "UNLIMITED" while my laptop connect plan says of amount used of 5000. | |
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3 edits | Re: I see higher rates in the future Show me an EU carrier's wireless smartphone data plan with no TOS/AUP restrictions and unlimited use for under $30 US (20 Euros). | |
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All carriers and businesses already price their products at the maximum that the markets will allow them to. Fines and such do *not* get passed on to the consumer, because if a carrier raises their prices they will lose customers. If they could somehow make more profits despite losing customers, they would have raised prices long ago. | |
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| | It worked Allow skype for now, get the FCC off their backs, but no fundamental change.
Where's non-wifi slingbox on the iPhone? | |
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| Re: It worked said by fifty nine:Allow skype for now, get the FCC off their backs, but no fundamental change. That's my take on it. Short circuit the FCC inquiry and then go back to the same old routine when things quiet down.
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Amerika | Which would you prefer? Unlimited data with a few restrictions or 5GB cap with no restrictions? | |
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2 edits | Re: It worked 5GB with no restrictions, thank you very much.
I don't consume a horrific amount of bandwidth. But I would like to use the bandwidth that I pay for in the way I want to.
Jeeze, the telco shills are out in force on Skype thread from yesterday.
See, we all understand the limitiations of over the air bandwidth. We understand that there are mathematical limitations to bandwidth available at a given location due to spectrum limitations. We're not stupid consumers. So, there will ALWAYS be usage caps, explicit or not.
EDIT: Let me make my point clear. THERE WILL ***ALWAYS*** BE CAPS ON OVER-THE-AIR NETWORKING, explicit or not, due to spectrum limitations. So, the question is not based in reality, but something that the shills and uninformed are propagating.
I can live with that. I understand that. But I've paid for my data, and I'll do what I want with it. It isn't up to a telco to tell me what I can or cannot do.
Oh, and before the shills come out an say "poor poor telco", have you seen profits lately? | |
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Would you prefer 5 gigs of data with no restrictions, of unlimited data with a few restrictions and the loss of common carrier status...
(I know, I brought up a political point)... Heres the deal, they are providing me a service, I will use that service as I see fit. I understand that wireless is different from wired and that there are limitations (not bandwidth, but you can only communicate with so many cell devices at any one point in time). That said, if you want to start playing around with the types of traffic I am using, then you have to give something up, loss of common carrier status is one of them... But thats just my own personal oppinion. | |
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join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL | said by Z80:Which would you prefer? Unlimited data with a few restrictions or 5GB cap with no restrictions? To at least get what I already pay for ($30mo for 5GB), unrestricted. If their network can't handle that, then they shouldn't be charging us for it. Otherwise, lower the cap (preserving the $6 per GB charge currently) until they can. I know it would be a PR hit and an embarrassment, but so is the current state of their network.
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| | | | said by Z80:Which would you prefer? Unlimited data with a few restrictions or 5GB cap with no restrictions? Why does it have to be one or the other? How about 40GB with no restrictions? | |
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join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC Reviews:
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| Re: It worked It's basic economics. We have finite resources and infinite demand. As such there need to be restrictions which allow us to stay within these finite resources. That isn't to say that it isn't possible to have the limits be sufficiently high that we seldom if ever encounter problems, but I support honesty in marketing and that companies should say how they deal with traffic problems be it: caps, bandwidth shaping, throttling or other forms of QoS control. | |
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| | | | | | Re: It worked said by chimera:It's basic economics. We have finite resources and infinite demand. As such there need to be restrictions which allow us to stay within these finite resources. That isn't to say that it isn't possible to have the limits be sufficiently high that we seldom if ever encounter problems, but I support honesty in marketing and that companies should say how they deal with traffic problems be it: caps, bandwidth shaping, throttling or other forms of QoS control. Okay, but even so, I pay $30 for 5GB already. Shouldn't I be able to use it? | |
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| Re: It worked As far as I'm concerned you should be able to use that however you see fit. I was just responding to your question about why you can't have both more data and fewer restrictions. All technologies have limits and it is important to understand this, even if right now these pricing plans and network policies are a result of the fact that consumers are being exploited by oligopolies. | |
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1 edit | said by fifty nine:Okay, but even so, I pay $30 for 5GB already. Shouldn't I be able to use it? This is about iPhone. iPhones do not have a 5GB limit, at least they didn't when I got both of mine. My laptop connect card has a 5GB limit but from everything I see in my TOS/AUP, the iPhone has no limit.
Additionally AT&T says
said by AT&T online store for iPhone :
Please note: Data plan for iPhone is required for the life of your iPhone service and cannot be removed in the future.
Data Plan for iPhone
$30.00/month
Data Plan for iPhone includes unlimited data in the U.S. Access rich HTML email and desktop-level web browsing, as well as Visual Voicemail to listen to voicemail messages in any order you choose.
I would agree with you if they were to cap iPhones at 5GB, but at the same time if voice revenues take a hit because of VOIP competition, expect data plan costs to increase. The network costs what it costs to build, expand and maintain. | |
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join:2001-03-11
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kudos:5 | said by fifty nine:Okay, but even so, I pay $30 for 5GB already. Shouldn't I be able to use it? There, right there, is exactly it.
The point that the carriers need to get is that I paid for my data access and someone else paid for their voice access and we each should equally have a chance to access our product. The a-ha is that data isn't a secondary service any more (or ever, as it turns out). It's what you sold when you sold it to me. So embrace your future, because it's here. In 2 years, this will be as obvious as anything.
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Test your Broadband connection today! -- »measurementlab.net/ | |
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| | | | | | Limited resources is defined by the amount of capital companies like AT&T have in the bank. Here`s a hint. They`ve tripled their profits since 2005. They`re not starving from lack of resources. | |
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join:2009-08-31
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3 edits | said by fifty nine:said by Z80:Which would you prefer? Unlimited data with a few restrictions or 5GB cap with no restrictions? Why does it have to be one or the other? How about 40GB with no restrictions? Because cellular networks can't support it. We are already hearing tons of complaints about AT&T network capacity even with 5GB restrictions of laptop connect and application restrictions on iPhone 'unlimited data' plans.
It's a fundamental problem of network capacity and that these wireless networks are so heavily shared. The network wasn't designed to carry that much traffic per individual and if you want it to, someone has to pay for massive capacity expansion through higher data plan costs. Adding more customers at the $30 price point doesn't help unless only a tiny minority are using these BW heavy apps like Sling. | |
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| | | | | | Re: It worked said by Z80:said by fifty nine:said by Z80:Which would you prefer? Unlimited data with a few restrictions or 5GB cap with no restrictions? Why does it have to be one or the other? How about 40GB with no restrictions? Because cellular networks can't support it. We are already hearing tons of complaints about AT&T network capacity even with 5GB restrictions of laptop connect and application restrictions on iPhone 'unlimited data' plans. It's a fundamental problem of network capacity and that these wireless networks are so heavily shared. The network wasn't designed to carry that much traffic per individual and if you want it to, someone has to pay for massive capacity expansion through higher data plan costs. Adding more customers at the $30 price point doesn't help unless only a tiny minority are using these BW heavy apps like Sling. Don`t be a fool. European carriers have handled wireless data connections for years without issue. AT&T`s problem is that it refused to upgrade its network, extending fiber links to its towers because it was too costly and they preferred to *triple* their profits over a few years. | |
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Amerika | Re: It worked Don't be a fool, no wireless carriers, whether in the US or EU can handle unlimited data with tons of bandwidth heavy applications. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: It worked Who said anything about unlimited? European carriers have tiers. for example 5 GB, 20 GB, unlimited usage. And as far as I can tell I haven`t heard of any major crashes in Europe. Right now I`m in Japan and despite the insanely high population density I can use an iPhone to access Youtube without any hitches while driving along the road. There are no bandwidth issues or limitations here. | |
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1 edit | Re: It worked AT&T says.
The iPhone data plan is currently an unlimited plan which is in part why they have to watch which apps they permit on it.
As an iPhone user, I have no interest in trading a currently unlimited plan for tiers. If people want to Sling using a 3G, let them buy a crackberry. | |
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»www.vonagemobile.com/about/
Cellular
Call anywhere, with no calling cards or dialing codes. When you dial an international number from your mobile device, your call is routed through the Vonage network. That way, you get our great international rates and only use local minutes under your regular carrier's plan. (Carrier roaming charges may apply when outside your calling area) | |
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join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | Re: Vonage VOIP on the Iphone When my thing says ON it still calls normally I am afraid to call Canada will it charge me or will Vonage pick it up? | |
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Davie, FL
kudos:2 | A hyphen (or lack thereof) makes a big difference Boss Praises Skype About Face
Boss Praises Skype About-Face
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| | Dear FCC, Now just get AT&T to treat the Slingbox App fairly and allow it on the 3G network as well. Until this happens AT&T is still unfairly discriminating against Slingmedia. It doesn't get any more anti-competitive than a double standard. Orb does the same thing as the Slingplayer and Orb is allowed to run on 3G where the Slingplayer app still is not. | |
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join:2001-08-30
Livermore, CA | Skype and cell minutes a bit off topic, but a practical question:
if I install Skype on a wi-fi enabled iPhone or other wi-fi enabled smart phone, or even an iPod Touch, and then connect to a wi-fi network at home or in a coffee shop, can I use Skype as I normally do on a PC or laptop, without using any cell plan minutes ? (of course there are no cell minutes associated with the Touch).
Where does the possible use of cell plan minutes even play into this scenario ? Why would that even make any sense ? the use of cheaper local cell minutes vs international cell calling ?
I have used Skype on PC's and laptops for years for international calling to friends and family overseas and would like to be able to do so on a wi-fi enabled hand held device ... if possible.
I am not an entirely ignorant user, but clearly I am confused.
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| | | Re: Skype and cell minutes "if I install Skype on a wi-fi enabled iPhone or other wi-fi enabled smart phone, or even an iPod Touch, and then connect to a wi-fi network at home or in a coffee shop, can I use Skype as I normally do on a PC or laptop, without using any cell plan minutes ?"
I can speak for Skype on the iPhone and say yes. Just like a PC and you don't use cell phone minutes. I do it all the time and it works GREAT.
What the anoucment ***seems*** to mean is that we'll be able to use Skype on a stock iPhone through the cell phone data plan, without charge to minutes. Since an updated app hasn't been released yet, it remains speculation. | |
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May not be the corrrect thread...my question is the BB Storm or I guess any BB on the Verizon network can use Skype or Yahoo IM ? I know Yahoo IM NO VOICE (typing only) can be used. Any idea ? | |
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