IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman join:2000-09-20 Washington, DC |
Like the sound of that....Thank you Chairman G... For all we know, the Chairman is a grandfathered "unlimited" data customer and doesn't like being forced to get the new mobile share plans for FaceTime over cellular. | |
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SHoTTa35
Anon
2012-Sep-26 10:43 am
Never was a real reason....Thank you FCC. Not that it matters to me since I don't use an iPhone but still it was very wrong of them to say,
"OH the old data plan using the same network can't support Facetime but this new plan will - Switch now to get your Facetime on!"
Just didn't make no sense. I'd understand if the older plans could ONLY use the 3G/2G network which are still strained or something but that's not the case, they can work on LTE (if available) just fine which isn't as stressed yet. So no reason it can't work, other than "gotta raise those rates to please stockholders" issues. | |
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djrobx Premium Member join:2000-05-31 Reno, NV |
djrobx
Premium Member
2012-Sep-26 10:47 am
I'm glad the FCC is interested, but ...I don't see how this is any different than the tethering feature that has been in iOS for years. Apple provides AT&T with an on/off switch, and AT&T exercises it depending on the service level. Grandfathered unlimited customers can't get tethering, either.
Apple also won't approve app store apps that AT&T wouldn't like. Many apps are limited when using cellular data.
As sleazy as AT&T's being about FaceTime, I don't think it's anything new. There is definitely a problem, but this issue is more complex than just FaceTime. | |
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| FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
FFH5
Premium Member
2012-Sep-26 11:13 am
Re: I'm glad the FCC is interested, but ...And Genachowski said virtually nothing. All he said was he will look in to it. No promises of any action. | |
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Twaddle
Anon
2012-Sep-26 11:16 am
Utter criminal activityATT offers IPhone with Facetime functionality on it yet says you can't use it unless you pony up more money. Sounds to me like they are violating laws. Facetime uses the internet to transmit "Data" so if a clients contract supports the amount of data usage Facetime requires then AT&T has no right to say that a client can't use the app to transmit data and receive data. END OF STORY | |
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Michail Premium Member join:2000-08-02 Boynton Beach, FL |
Michail
Premium Member
2012-Sep-26 11:43 am
Older modelsIt's interesting with AT&T's attempted grab that Apple didn't enable non-wifi Facetime on older models. That's a big reason to give people a reason to JB. | |
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FCC and InternetRegardless of this being on a Cellular network or not, the FCC still has no power to regulate the Internet. Which this is what it uses.
Sorry FCC, your out of boundry and AT&T will be happy to show you to the court room.
The FCC is just luckey they don't have to pay everytime they lose a court case, the country would be more broke than it is currently. | |
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Re: FCC and Internetbesides if the fcc does try and do anything, all the carrier will do is sunset the plan just like verzion did with their unlimited plan. A grandfathered plan can be canceled at any time by the carrier. The everyone loses | |
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intellerSociopaths always win. join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK |
Worried Randall says....Did someone not deliver my gift baskets to FCC? | |
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At&tis really, some piece of work. | |
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NOCTech75 Premium Member join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA |
I suppose this will be settled eventuallyJust in time for iPhone 8 to be released. | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2 Zoom 5341J
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KrK
Premium Member
2012-Sep-26 4:09 pm
AT&T: posterchild for all that is wrong in American TelecommTime and time again they engage in anti-competitive behavior and act in bad faith repeatedly to try and bend consumers over in every way possible. They'd clearly love to monopolize the entire nation and remove all regulation and go to by-the-byte billing at massively over-inflated rates.
Unfortunately, the FCC does very little to stop this, let's hope they at least make an effort. | |
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And Police Premium Member join:2001-10-03 Tempe, AZ |
C0deZer0
Premium Member
2012-Sep-26 4:14 pm
Emphasis on 'act'3700 pages of complaint form documentation, and a couple of under the table contributions later, AT&T will still block it anyway. The same way Sony promised to leave Linux on PS3's intact but removed it anyway, retroactively. | |
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rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO |
Why is this different than tethering?A few years back when the iPhone/AT&T (not sure who had to update/permit what) finally started offering tethering, I had to give up my unlimited plan because I wanted tethering. I still have that plan and the 4GB, use-it-any-way-I-want-to, monthly limit.
Facetime and tethering probably have similar bandwidth appetites so I'm not sure why anyone believes the Facetime debacle is different than tethering.
Now what I do think is ridiculous is if those with tethering packages cannot use Facetime on their phone when they could do so on their tethered MacBook Pro/Air devices. That's insanity.
I don't know if cellular data app size download limits still apply but that restriction is equally ridiculous. In the Summer of 2011, I wanted to download a Yellowstone park map app and I couldn't over cellular data because the app was over 20MB. However, I had three kids with iPod Touch devices tethered to my phone. I had one of them download it which, of course, was permitted because the HotSpot looks like wireless to another device. | |
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| Cobra11M join:2010-12-23 Mineral Wells, TX |
Re: Why is this different than tethering?said by rradina:A few years back when the iPhone/AT&T (not sure who had to update/permit what) finally started offering tethering, I had to give up my unlimited plan because I wanted tethering. I still have that plan and the 4GB, use-it-any-way-I-want-to, monthly limit.
Facetime and tethering probably have similar bandwidth appetites so I'm not sure why anyone believes the Facetime debacle is different than tethering.
Now what I do think is ridiculous is if those with tethering packages cannot use Facetime on their phone when they could do so on their tethered MacBook Pro/Air devices. That's insanity.
I don't know if cellular data app size download limits still apply but that restriction is equally ridiculous. In the Summer of 2011, I wanted to download a Yellowstone park map app and I couldn't over cellular data because the app was over 20MB. However, I had three kids with iPod Touch devices tethered to my phone. I had one of them download it which, of course, was permitted because the HotSpot looks like wireless to another device. its not, its all data either way you look at it, they want you to pay more for it and the plan, in other words AT$T is doing the old saying (double dip) | |
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one more thing - att navigator (from telenev)also requires subscription annual or monthly - $10/m even though all what it uses is data. Though there are plenty of free or lower cost alternatives from App Store/Google Play.
How is that different from Facetime that has alternatives like Skype? Till this day, default Map apps on iphone did not have built in navigation until iphone 5 came out which totally replaced Google Map with Apple version due to their fight with Android. | |
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