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| Not so hidden agenda anymore . . . ISPs, Public Relation & marketing droids and lobbyists are pissed off that the American consumer and the FCC have seen through their bullshit for what it is . . . an agenda of mis-information designed to fill their own pockets to the detriment of the the rest of us. | |
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| Re: Not so hidden agenda anymore . . . said by newview :ISPs, Public Relation & marketing droids and lobbyists are pissed off that the American consumer and the FCC have seen through their bullshit for what it is . . . So what has the FCC seen through?
So far all I have seen is they are *planning* on reforming USF in the name of bringing broadband to the many who still do not have access. Now, I support the idea but unless I see actual meaningful changes I don't believe it. They could easily "reform" the USF and still have it end up doing nothing but lining incumbents' executives' pockets. Not to mention, as this article states: It does nothing to address the millions who have broadband access but are still being kept on the slowest allowable broadband speed with little prospect of innovation. Like I say many times over: I'll believe it when I see it. Not before! -- - "Techie" Jim | |
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1 edit | Re: Not so hidden agenda anymore . . . said by jimbo2150 :So what has the FCC seen through? Just the fact that the FCC isn't swallowing the same crap from the lobbyists and have begun compiling their own data, with input from the actual consumers affected, is a huge step in the right direction, and 180 degrees from what was the norm as little as 2-3 years ago.
I agree that much more needs to be done, and they need to grow a set and challenge the Broadband Mafia, but the baby steps they have recently taken are encouraging. | |
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| Re: Not so hidden agenda anymore . . . said by newview :Just the fact that the FCC isn't swallowing the same crap from the lobbyists and have begun compiling their own data, with input from the actual consumers affected... If that were true they would be starting serious policy change for better competition to. Just reforming USF (which could easily be influenced by corporations) is not listening to all customers. It is just saying they are only looking to do the least disruptive and most-likely-to-be-corporate-influenced issue surrounding broadband. If they were serious they would be saying "we need more fair competition" and they would be saying to congress (who make the ACTUAL policy -- FCC can truly only make recommendations) "Look, we need to work closely to make broadband policy." Personally I think they need to start with congress coming up with a minimally influenced "Broadband Consumer Bill of Rights" followed by policy meant to increase competition and expansion of broadband. -- - "Techie" Jim | |
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| Re: Not so hidden agenda anymore . . . That very well may be their agenda . . . for the future. Their recent loss to Comcast in the courts which ruled this month that the FCC did not have the authority to sanction Comcast for its P2P blocking, has brought about discussions by the FCC to rewrite Title II of the Communications Act to regulate ISPs as common carriers, which can possibly open up other avenues of regulation, such as increased competition. | |
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join:2008-07-11 | solution!!! Get rid of FCC and stop giving cable and telecomm companies with monopoly power. Open competitions to free market will be mission accomplished. | |
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| Re: solution!!! said by cw30000 :Get rid of FCC and stop giving cable and telecomm companies with monopoly power. Open competitions to free market will be mission accomplished. I'll take naive statements for $1000, Alex. | |
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You have picked our daily double. | |
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join:2002-01-17 Bloomington, IN | Naive is being very very nice. | |
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 camaro92 Premium join:2008-04-05 Westfield, MA | And Until enough people go knocking on policy maker doors than there contribution dollars can buy there is no point in bitching like a bunch of old women. | |
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| true A true free enterprize system would work. But that will never happen here.. Too many lawsuits to prevent others from expanding territories. A start up company will be slaughtered in months of court cost alone.. It is a shame really, but seeing how effeciently they all fight even when towns decide to build their own fiber networks with tax dollars they jump in and cry wolf and shame for using public money to do so.. Nevermind the freaking public funds they recieve to so call maintain lines :-/
Its a F. uped system atm. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: true I'll let you know how my foray into this goes. Heck, I'll let Karl know and he can post it here  | |
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join:2001-06-17 Goleta, CA | People who live far from centers of society... ...willingly give up some of the fruits of modern labor and technology. This has been understood for a thousand years. | |
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join:2009-05-24 Cleveland, OH | Re: People who live far from centers of society... The real disaster is broadband as a whole, and the tens of billions of dollars being drained from the economy in the form of ISP profits. Infrastructure should be a net zero project, funded by governments both state and national. | |
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| I get sick of seeing this argument. "Centers of society" - give me a break.
I have no option but satellite, yet I don't live in a remote corner of nowhere.
There are a hundred houses within a half-mile of where I live.
ATT is a joke and will not expand unless made to do so. I dropped all phone service with them in protest.
When we bought this house it was before there was such a thing as DSL or other broadband. I did not CHOOSE to be left without access.
I get tired of hearing "big-city" people spout off in condescending tones to those who do not live in their so-called "centers of society".
Good grief. | |
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| said by CM3200 :
I get sick of seeing this argument. "Centers of society" - give me a break.
I have no option but satellite, yet I don't live in a remote corner of nowhere.
There are a hundred houses within a half-mile of where I live.
ATT is a joke and will not expand unless made to do so. I dropped all phone service with them in protest.
When we bought this house it was before there was such a thing as DSL or other broadband. I did not CHOOSE to be left without access.
I get tired of hearing "big-city" people spout off in condescending tones to those who do not live in their so-called "centers of society".
Good grief. totally agree with you. I too live in a location where there is nothing but satellite, yet we live within a mile of hundreds of houses. and it's not only att that isn't expanding, verizon is the same way. | |
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| said by Dagda1175 :...willingly give up some of the fruits of modern labor and technology. This has been understood for a thousand years. I live 20 miles from my state capital,my neighbors commute there every day, but we have no access to broadband. There was an article in the Washington Post the other day that mentioned a couple who could see the state capital building in Montpelier Vermont, but could not have broadband.
We're not far from the centers of society. We're as much a part of it as you are in every other way. -- Upstate NY DW 7000S AMC3 (87deg) 1290 MHz/ to Apple Airport(802.11g)/ Mac OS X 10.4 | |
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| Re: Wrong FCC priorities, that's why I was about to write the same thing. This is nothing less than birdcage liner designed to fluff up Julius "give it all to the big 2" Genachowski's defense of his plan to hand over as much as 1 GHz of existing wireless spectrum to his handlers at AT&T Wireless and Verizon Wireless. This guy is worse than Martin, and that's quite an accomplishment. | |
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| Re: Wrong FCC priorities, that's why said by riblet :I was about to write the same thing. This is nothing less than birdcage liner designed to fluff up Julius "give it all to the big 2" Genachowski's defense of his plan to hand over as much as 1 GHz of existing wireless spectrum to his handlers at AT&T Wireless and Verizon Wireless. This guy is worse than Martin, and that's quite an accomplishment. The national broadband plan is pathetic. It's just a huge giveaway of billions of dollars to Verizon and AT&T. Genachowski's spinelessness makes me sick. | |
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| I'm fine with the FCC grabbing some decent spectrum, but it should be light-licensed (a la 3.65GHz) to whoever wants it. THat way cordless phoens and baby monitors stay off the spectrum, and wireless internet providers can get on and serve people.
You don't need 500MHz of spectrum either, though it's sorta nice to have. 80MHz at a lowish frequency for subscribers (four non-overlapping 20MHz channels so you can do 90 degree sector antennas on a single tower without any interference) and 40MHz at a higher frequency for backhauls. Heck, if they're feeling magnanimous add 10-20 MHz at a really low frequency (700MHz or better) for penetrating tree cover for some customers. The 80MHz can be between 1500 and 2400 MHz somewhere, and the 40MHz can simply be a redesignation of spectrum usage between 5.2 and 5.8.
There's only so much copper wiring (which we have plenty of) can do. Fiber is the future/awesome and bonded ADSL2+ Annex M can provide 20/3 service to rural subdivisions and such with no problem. However if the telcos don't want to do that (and realistically only a handful of companies should be laying down facilities for a given copper pair) then wireless (light-licensed) gives the opportunity for people to move in and deliver the bandwidth people want with an economy that allows for healthy competition.
That said, any additional allocated spectrum should have a significant build-out requirement (like the 850MHz cellular band did way back when it was doled out in 25MHz chunks to two providers total, one usually being the local telephone company, the other usually not being the local telco) if the FCC is going to auction it off exclusively to a single carrier, or should be light licensed so that multiple providers can get in and do something useful. Otherwise you're just lining Verizon and AT&T's pockets for the most part, which allows them to perpetuate the "serve who you feel like" model with data service that isn't going to meet the needs of today or tomorrow when it comes to actual home broadband.
Though, to be fair, a significant amount of 1700MHz and 700MHz spectrum got purchased by smaller companies who are just now getting around to building it out...don't paint the picture in colors too bleak. | |
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| We ASPIRE to a monopoly! Thirty towns in Western Massachusetts--not a very rural part of the country--ASPIRE to a broadband monopoly. Every year our incredible situation persists, it becomes harder and harder for people to actually believe that we have ZERO broadband options. 26kps dial-up connections. Masaachusetts! 2010! Please don't forget us just because our situation is hard to believe. This is our best hope: www.wired-west.net | |
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| Re: We ASPIRE to a monopoly! @goldman5 It's forty seven towns, and WiredWest's plan is to build an affordable, open access, fiber-to-the-home "last-mile" network serving every home and every business that wants it. It is true that the current situation is hard to believe. 26Kps dial-up connections and satellite are the only options for a large percentage of the households and businesses in our region.
The much-talked of and very welcome Mass Broadband 123 program will build the "middle-mile" infrastructure which is necessary but not sufficient to provide adequate service to Western Massachusetts. WiredWest aims to complete the real job: getting affordable high-speed service to all of the people of Western Massachusetts.
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