  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | Here we go folks.... Regardless of how you feel about this, we can all expect to see a big increase in the taxes we pay to cover this upcoming fiasco. Money under the matress anyone?  | |
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Camden, TN | said by wifi4milez:Regardless of how you feel about this, we can all expect to see a big increase in the taxes we pay to cover this upcoming fiasco. Money under the matress anyone? Are you seriously that stupid?
Ok it's alreay been discussed that it would cost $150 billion( about what the top ten richest people in the US have ) to built out broadband everywhere. Now let's just say we double that just in case so that's $300 billion. Now it's also been stated it's 10 year project. More likely 12 years. So $300 billion over 12 years is 25 billion a year. Cost per citizen $80 a year. And that if teh governemnt is footing 100% of the bill which they won't be.
Get off the every dime the government spends is bad. Sorry this is REAL life not fantasyland. There will NEVER be a time where there won't be taxes to be paid. I get so sick of idiots that expect everything for free and somehow expect everything to magically get paid for without money. | |
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| Re: Here we go folks.... Sorry, BF, got to disagree with you, but it is a big deal at $80.00 per month per person, that is just one governmental body putting their had in your wallet, there is universal health care, etc, etc. After all the $80 are combined for each individual, it is a considerable sum. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Here we go folks.... said by Austinloop:Sorry, BF, got to disagree with you, but it is a big deal at $80.00 per month per person, that is just one governmental body putting their had in your wallet, there is universal health care, etc, etc. After all the $80 are combined for each individual, it is a considerable sum. That's $80 a YEAR ninny. Since when do you file income taxes monthly? Reading is not your strong suit I see. And that's the average. The fact is that the top 5% incomes pay 95% of the taxes. I'm going to assume you are in the bottom 95% that pays only 5% of the taxes. So that comes out to be $4.50 per YEAR durring the project's buildout.
Second most people pay more than $80 a year in USF taxes on their phone bills. Why not use that money for it? | |
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| Re: Here we go folks.... said by BF69:said by Austinloop:Sorry, BF, got to disagree with you, but it is a big deal at $80.00 per month per person, that is just one governmental body putting their had in your wallet, there is universal health care, etc, etc. After all the $80 are combined for each individual, it is a considerable sum. That's $80 a YEAR ninny. Since when do you file income taxes monthly? Reading is not your strong suit I see. And that's the average. The fact is that the top 5% incomes pay 95% of the taxes. I'm going to assume you are in the bottom 95% that pays only 5% of the taxes. So that comes out to be $4.50 per YEAR durring the project's buildout. Second most people pay more than $80 a year in USF taxes on their phone bills. Why not use that money for it? But thats addition too, and with the price of energy and everything else going up all we will only be able to afford will be 128 dsl.
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| | | | | | I'm late to the party, but I would say it would be a wash as we will save more than $80 a year on broadband cost savings that we we as consumers would pay with the additional competition this will bring. (Assuming it brings some.) | |
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| | | | | It's 80 a year, not a month. hardly a drop in the bucket. well maybe a drop in the bucket but if you people reading this can't afford 80 a year then you suck at life | |
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| | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by BF69:said by wifi4milez:Regardless of how you feel about this, we can all expect to see a big increase in the taxes we pay to cover this upcoming fiasco. Money under the matress anyone? Are you seriously that stupid? Are you seriously stupid enough to argue that a nationwide broadband plan that is "the biggest project the FCC has ever undertaken" wont raise taxes?? If so then I guess this is a rhetorical question for you....
said by BF69:There will NEVER be a time where there won't be taxes to be paid. Exactly, so perhaps we should look at ways to CUT additional taxes from being added on??
said by BF69:I get so sick of idiots that expect everything for free and somehow expect everything to magically get paid for without money. I 100% agree with that statement. In fact, I think this whole broadband plan is going to screw countless generations of Americans. It going to be the gift that keeps on giving (in a negative way), much like the rest of Obamas "initiatives". This is a bad idea, and if it was truly warranted it would be built out by private companies.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Here we go folks.... My friend, you forget that most millennials believe that everything is free to begin with. Your logical points will be lost on most people in that generation.
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Maineville, OH | said by wifi4milez:This is a bad idea, and if it was truly warranted it would be built out by private companies. It sure seems like private companies are dragging their asses as building out this infrastructure that you speak of. They sure want to get as much money out of the existing infrastructure as they can, and eliminate any competition that they can.
Since most ISPs are also content distributors, I for one believe that they should not have a monopoly over the delivery network. Let the infrastructure be run by public companies regulated by the PUC, and let these greedy idiots fight for the right to be a distributor of content.
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New York, NY | Re: Here we go folks.... said by wentlanc:said by wifi4milez:This is a bad idea, and if it was truly warranted it would be built out by private companies. It sure seems like private companies are dragging their asses as building out this infrastructure that you speak of. Therein lies the dilemma. The reason the private companies havent built it is because its not profitable to do so. Hence, the government would be either forcing them to do it at a loss, OR the government would be spending OUR money on a money losing venture.
Take your pick, both options suck....
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Maineville, OH | Re: Here we go folks.... I call bullshit on the fact that they cannot make a profit by creating an infrastructure. Why are they spending so much money on lobbying and lawsuits to prevent infrastructure by competitors??
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Beaverton, OR | Not profitable or more like they don't have to because there really isn't any competition in most areas? Who really has two cable companies to chose from or two phone companies to chose from in their area? Some don't even have competing telco & cable companies in their area.
It's real simple to keep pushing the same crap when there's no one else to turn to. It's either pay-up or live without & as time goes on the internet is become a very vital resource to most Americans. | |
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kudos:1 | tax Tax non-cable tv VOIP (Vonage) and online independent content distributors (Google, Netflix, etc) to pay billions for a new network by ILECs and incumbent cables (TWC/CC/COX/Charter)?  | |
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Camden, TN | Re: tax said by patcat88:Tax non-cable tv VOIP (Vonage) and online independent content distributors (Google, Netflix, etc) to pay billions for a new network by ILECs and incumbent cables (TWC/CC/COX/Charter)? VoIP already pays into the USF fund even though logically they shouldn't | |
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kudos:1 | Whatever it is You can be sure it will be terrible for the consumer and enrich the current mega telecoms and cablecos. | |
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| | | Re: Whatever it is said by DrModem:You can be sure it will be terrible for the consumer and enrich the current mega telecoms and cablecos. Amen.
One of the oldest jokes in the world is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you." When did people start believing that stuff? | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Whatever it is All they have to do is do what Japan did.
Yeah, right, never happen. | |
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| | | | Re: My two cents.... said by DrModem:Hope didn't help the presidency very much. I guess we could avoid this from turning into a political debate. They really are played out at this stage. | |
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| | | I agree. I'll wait this out before I make an opinion. I didn't vote for this administration but I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in this case. | |
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| | universal broadband I am all for it, if they could provide 100Mbs to each house hold. It would save me $70 a month. | |
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| | | | Re: universal broadband doubtful if ever citizen is paying $50 a year on broadband tax I think it will pay off. | |
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| Re: universal broadband said by brianiscool:doubtful if ever citizen is paying $50 a year on broadband tax I think it will pay off. and how much taxes will you pay for the project additionally ? | |
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kudos:1 | said by brianiscool:doubtful if ever citizen is paying $50 a year on broadband tax I think it will pay off. $50/year for 150m people totals up to $7.5billion/year, I'd pay it as long as I got a good net connection out of it...
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Maineville, OH | Re: universal broadband What about the fire department, police, water, electrical, etc? You pay for some portion of all new builds for utilities in your area, and regular operations of the emergency services. It's fairly amusing how semi-socialized services are just fine if it's something you want or need.
If you ever get robbed, or if your house is burning down, why don't you set an example for us all, and just not call 911 so that other people don't have to pay for you...
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I have no problem with local cities who push out some sort of broadband initiative, I might even support one myself if it makes sense. I'm against something like that on a national level though for many reasons.
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Maineville, OH | Re: universal broadband Does it really mean that the gov is building internet in this country, or just laying a framework for private industry to follow. The problem with private industry is they are milking the existing infrastructure to make as much money as possible. Many people believe that it is in our best interest to "spur" them to either build out, or move out of the way.
What specifically is unconstitutional about it?
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kudos:4 | said by DaveDude:but it will cost you $1000 bucks in taxes. Copps has his own plan on how private company / government cooperation will work for broadband: »broadbandcensus.com/2009/05/fcc-···s-copps/
But the private sector can, and should, be a “lead locomotive… fueled by far-seeing public policy” in fulfilling the goal of a national network, Copps said. Translation: Private investors can do most of the funding & the all-seeing, all-knowing government wonks will tell them how to spend their money. Sort of like they are doing now for GM & Chrysler. Gov't kicks in some funds, but then wants to dictate how ALL the money is spent.
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I vote we give a couple hundred billion to Comcast and have them fiber up the rest of the country.
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| Why do I see some sort of new Universal Tax Fund ... that in effect will give even more money to the same tired incumbents who already control broadband.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
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