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join:2004-04-24
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| Should I buy a digital tv? I still have an analogue traditional standard definition tv.
Should I buy a digital tv? I plan on keeping it until it dies. then get a digital one.
The OBVIOUS thing is you wouldn't buy an analogue tv above 13 inches. They will be soon discontinued so the only tv's that will be left in the market MUST at a minimum be DIGITAL, ANALOGUE hybrids, capable of DIGITAL tv signal conversion under the ASTC label.. what would have helped the consumer is some better EDUCATION with a "ATSC" Digital television logo. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Should I buy a digital tv? said by Boricua65  :I'm keeping mine, I don't care what they say. Keep it, but if you dont get a digital tuner after Feb 17, 2009 you aren't gong to get anything on your TV using an attena. | |
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| Re: Should I buy a digital tv? said by whocares :said by BF69 :said by Boricua65 :I'm keeping mine, I don't care what they say. Keep it, but if you dont get a digital tuner after Feb 17, 2009 you aren't gong to get anything on your TV using an attena. AND I WOULD imagine that the cost of a new tuner, and having it installed, would be about or equal to a new tv . -- Hooking a tuner up is as easy as hooking up a DVD player or cable box. You can do it yourself for free. As I said you get a $40 coupon from Uncle Sam to go towards your tuner. And you can get on for $80 so that's really $40. And the prices will probably drop by Feb 2009. | |
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join:2004-06-21
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Should I buy a digital tv? said by BodyBumper :I already have a digital OTA box connected to my "Analog" TV I don't need an High Definition TV. good for you. No one said you did. | |
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join:2004-06-21
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| Re: Should I buy a digital tv? said by BF69 :said by BodyBumper :I already have a digital OTA box connected to my "Analog" TV I don't need an High Definition TV. good for you. No one said you did. You completely misunderstand the point of a discussion forum. | |
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join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
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join:2001-01-13
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| I am keeping my old Sony KV-1972R until the bitter end (and maybe beyond). Since I purchased it back in 1985, I have had to replace the speaker (1986), voltage regulator (1994) and just last year the flyback transformer (which burned out with a cloud of acrid smoke). It works fine with cable.
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Rosendale, NY
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| Re: Should I buy a digital tv? Wow! I used to sell those wholesale at Bryce in NYC on 40th street. They sure last a good long time. They will continue to work with cable as long as the cable company does their job.
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join:2001-01-13
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| Re: Should I buy a digital tv? I have always been impressed with Sony hardware. Their TV's do manage to hold up a long time. Had I not had the talent to do the repairs myself I would have had to scrap it already since the cost for someone to fix it for me would have been more than picking up a cheapo replacement.
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join:2006-08-26
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| "I am keeping my old Sony KV-1972R until the bitter end (and maybe beyond). Since I purchased it back in 1985, I have had to replace the speaker (1986), voltage regulator (1994) and just last year the flyback transformer (which burned out with a cloud of acrid smoke). It works fine with cable."
I sure it's a fine TV and I can understand not wanting to spend money when you don't have to... but even under the best of circumstances those 22 year old pixels can't be glowing the way they did when you first bought it.
Watching that thing has got to be brutal on the eyes by now. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | What does size have to do with it? My little pocket sized 5 inch TV that I take to football games is going in the trash after the 2008 season because it has an analog tuner. | |
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| My prediction As the analog TV drop-dead date approaches, I bet people will start whining to their Congresscritters, ultimately resulting in the date getting pushed further into the future. Just wait and see...
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join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
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| Re: My prediction I hope not, that would suck. Digital TV is the way to go. I hope that everyone knows that this ONLY applies to Broadcast Over-The-Air tv signals, not cable or satellite. If you have analog cable you are fine for a little longer till the cable providers no longer have to provide analog TV.
Personally I am ALL for digital TV. When the cable operators can regain all the lost bandwidth on analog TV they can provide more HD channels, more SD channels and more internet bandwidth, but we have to rid ourselves of this 50+ year old technology.
As far as Over-The-Air going to all digital, this will also allow for more broadcast channels for those who do not subscribe to cable or satellite. I feel this is also a good thing. | |
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Re: My prediction More like "more religious channels, more home shopping channels, and more government-access channels". | |
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join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB | Over-the-air digital TV? Never heard of it. Guess I have to read up on it.
Is it just like over-the-air analog where you can receive free channels with an antenna but instead the information is digital? | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Reisterstown, MD | One $40 coupon?
And if I have 5 TVs?
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join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC | Re: My prediction 2 coupons , 3 full price. Your problem. | |
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Reisterstown, MD | Re: My prediction Good thing I don't watch TV then.
And just to be a complete DICK, I am going to write my Congressman to see if we can get this delayed, yet again!
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by TheMG :Over-the-air digital TV? Never heard of it. Guess I have to read up on it. Is it just like over-the-air analog where you can receive free channels with an antenna but instead the information is digital? Yes except the picture is BETTER. Either you get it clear or not at all. No more snowflakyness. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: My prediction said by BF69 :said by TheMG :Over-the-air digital TV? Never heard of it. Guess I have to read up on it. Is it just like over-the-air analog where you can receive free channels with an antenna but instead the information is digital? Yes except the picture is BETTER. Either you get it clear or not at all. No more snowflakyness. That's not entirely true.. just the same way satellite and other digital cable works.. if you have a marginal signal, you can see glitches & picture freezing. There are things you can do to bring in marginal signals such as signal amplifiers, BIGGER/BETTER antennas, but if you are REALLY on the fringe of your DTV broadcast signal.. you might be SOL. I suspect once analogue dies, that the DTV signals will be tweaked to overlap geographic areas.. Being in NY, I've seen digital tv work on a friend's set with Over The Air tv antenna.. works well.. they can pick up Connecticut stations in NY, but the picture drops out here and there.. NY comes in good on 99% of the channels. | |
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join:2004-07-28
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| said by TheMG :Over-the-air digital TV? Never heard of it. Guess I have to read up on it. Is it just like over-the-air analog where you can receive free channels with an antenna but instead the information is digital? Going big in Utah now (at least around Salt Lake) My neighbor uses his outdoor antenna just for OTA HD, says it is much better than what DISH sends out. Another neighbor of mine is a broadcast engineer at one of the TV stations and says they have been live for about two years now (mostly for testing, but it is normal programing) and he loves it from station engineer point of view. When I was in Dayton for a convention in May, one of the speakers talked about his station's experience with the new system for the over a year of live broadcast time that they have been up and running. So yes, it is out there. Just call your local TV stations and ask if they are doing it yet.
An yes, from your point of view it is just like the old TV except digital (or so I am told, I still have the analog set).
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| Re: My prediction Stations are required to broadcast in digital as of the beginning of this year, else pay hefty fines.
There's no need to call them up, just visit here: »radiostationworld.com/default.asp
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| said by Cjaiceman :I hope that everyone knows that this ONLY applies to Broadcast Over-The-Air tv signals, not cable or satellite. If you have analog cable you are fine for a little longer till the cable providers no longer have to provide analog TV. Actually, that statement is somewhat misleading. If cable companies stop providing analog cable and force you to switch to digital cable, the only way to provide you with digital cable is to give you a digital cable converter which has - you guess it - analog outputs on it. Thus, as long as you have cable or satellite (and I assume IPTV, although I have never seen any IPTV equipment), your analog TV will continue to work just fine for years to come.
It is statements like this that are causing the mass hysteria over the analog to digital OTA change. People are freaking out claiming "OMG, NO analog TV's will work at all period ever again after xx date in 200X!!" Like there is some magic switch that the FCC is gonna throw that will kill all tube TVs.
The truth is, the FCC is banning all OTA NTSC broadcasts. Nothing more. They aren't making any changes to cable or satellite, ONLY the signals that go over the air that are pick up by an antenna. So as I said below, the only people that this change will affect are the 1% (or less) of TV watchers that get their TV from bunny ears.
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| said by 93254336 :As the analog TV drop-dead date approaches, I bet people will start whining to their Congresscritters, ultimately resulting in the date getting pushed further into the future. Just wait and see... - Dan Nope this is set in stone. They've already delayed this twice already and are tired of it. It is FINAL. what people are going to whine anywyas? Most people get their TV through cable, satelite or FioS. This doesn't affect them. | |
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join:2005-12-22
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| said by 93254336 :As the analog TV drop-dead date approaches, I bet people will start whining to their Congresscritters, ultimately resulting in the date getting pushed further into the future. Just wait and see... - Dan While many broadcasters would like a little more flexibility, most would oppose an actual delay of the analog shutdown. By flexibility I mean some would like to let their analog station go dark up to six months early without surrendering their analog license while a few would probably like to be able (under extraordinary circumstances) to obtain a waiver to go up to six months past the deadline. It's expensive for them to operate both an analog and digital station at the same time. | |
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join:2002-08-21
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| said by 93254336 :As the analog TV drop-dead date approaches, I bet people will start whining to their Congresscritters, ultimately resulting in the date getting pushed further into the future. Just wait and see... If that happens, vital spectrum needed for public safety and disaster recovery workers won't be made available.
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by 93254336 :As the analog TV drop-dead date approaches, I bet people will start whining to their Congresscritters, ultimately resulting in the date getting pushed further into the future. Just wait and see... The original date was 1999 and got pushed back several times. they might actually keep the date this time if fines are being levied.
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| and the FCC cant tell cable what to send over its Coax.
but im often concerned is the FCC pushing digital for the betterment of broadcast tech or are they pushing it so they can make the billions on the signal space.
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| Re: My prediction said by Kearnstd :and the FCC cant tell cable what to send over its Coax. but im often concerned is the FCC pushing digital for the betterment of broadcast tech or are they pushing it so they can make the billions on the signal space. Well they expect to make at least $10 BILLION at auction, of which $1 BILLION is being used to fund those $40 coupons. | |
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| 100% FUD They're wasting their time on the whole issue. Hardly anyone watches over-the-air television and that's the only market that will see any difference with the end of the analog spectrum. Those that watch HD over the air already have the new equipment.
99.9% of TV viewers will still get the same signal over the same cable or dish they've been using and they'll notice no difference whatsoever. They'll be piping an external source through the TV's video in (RCA/composite/S-Video), or at worst, re-modulated to channel 3 or 4, so why do they care how the signal is leaving the TV station?
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| Why are people freaking out? What is the big deal about analog televisions? Ninety-nine percent of TV-watching people in this country get their TV from Cable, IPTV, or Satellite, all of which have converter boxes with ANALOG outputs on them. The ONLY people that will be affected by the killing of NTSC OTA broadcasts are the 1% of the TV-watching population that still pick up their TV with bunny ears, and that can be fixed with one of these bad boys.
For the sake of argument, let's assume that this $209 27" analog tube TV does not have a digital tuner. That $209 TV plus the $80 tuner I referenced above comes to $289.
On the contrary, the cheapest 26" LCD TV on Walmart.com is this bad boy for $448.
So it's not like anyone would get ripped off by buying a TV withOUT an ATSC tuner in it; they'd essentially be getting the picture quality they paid for (standard definition for $289, as opposed to high definition for $448), with possibly the inconvenience of having to make another trip to town to buy a separate ATSC tuner box because the jack-ass at Walmart was too ignorant to tell the customer that they would need the tuner box to use their precious bunny ears, because hey, after blowing $209, they just couldn't afford basic cable or the $29.99 DirecTV package.
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| so FOR BASIC basic cable So for basic cable like my basic self going to live in my own basic apartment in a few years. (post 2009) Ill need a magic box to pick up signal. Hmm....whats this magic box going to run in price?? ?
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join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC
| Re: Warning Labels? Starting Febuary 2008. In some TV markets (mine for sure), some stations are ALREADY doing these PSAs (Public Service Announcements). Once they start, the stations will be required to to transmit these PSAs TWICE per day (at least one during prime time) - so the whole OTA watching public should know about this.
BTW - Digital OTA is great ! no ghosts, and in HDTV - it looks "OH MY GOD !"
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join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL | Go to Wal-Mart and look at their VCR/DVD combo units. There are little cards hanging off the shelves near the ones with analog tuners. The cards basically warn people that these analog tuners will not work OTA after the 2009 switchover. | |
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join:2003-05-30
Pittsburgh, PA
2 edits | They are more like notices, I've seen one at target whille loooking for a second hdtv for the bedroom and really didn't think much of it, since we only have one analog left now. I even have one of the old crt widescreens that toshiba made; kinda funny calling it old since its still digital but panels are our future now. would love to slap a 7" one on the cubicle. I don't think they should be selling lcd that aren't digital because i'm pretty sure most people are confused and associating the the fact that the hdtv's are lcd and digital with these other lcd;s that are being sold that are not ws or hd, since a tv can be standard and be digital | |
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| Re: What about cable systems? said by stomp357 : I thought that cable companies are supposed to extend analog broadcast till 2012, or something before they can switch to full digital broadcast. I have basic cable, and it gives me every channel local "air-wave" broadcast does, & more for $18.00 a month. When the cable company goes fully digital, then I'll switch from my analog TV. said by PolarBear :....Once again, this is about OTA broadcasts, NOT cable.
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join:2004-07-03 | In come the white hats So the FCC is trying to look like the good guy in a class warfare situation they created?
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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With the transition to digital TV getting ever closer, the FCC is doing all it can to make sure that consumers are aware of the problems that they will have with their analog televisions after the switch.
All you need is one of these:
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One of the ways that they are doing this is by cracking down on retailers who are selling analog-only televisions.
I had a really hard time finding an analog only TV. I think they're really limited to old portable style tube TV's in stock anywhere.
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Cathode ray tube televisions are still sold because not everyone feels the need to run out and drop $$$$$ on a 72" flat panel plasma HD TV. 
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Dallas, TX
| FSS It's like having a gasoline car and they switched all gas stations to electric power fuel.
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
| Best Buy no longer has analog TV's in their show room... or they will soon be gone.
Personally - I have 3 tv's and only one will need a converter - the other 2 are on Dish.
I will switch when the TV's break and not sooner.
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| Re: Best Buy no longer has analog TV's in their show room... Nothing wrong with that. That's what I've been doing - as TVs break, replace with ones that DO have the ATSC tuner.
Replaced 1 TV/VCR 14inch combo for the bedroom with a 14 inch SDTV CRT that has both NTSC and ATSC tuners. Then the cats knocked that TV down and the analog tuner quit working - use the old VCR as an analog tuner and the digital tuner works fine.
10 year old 27 inch Sony analog TV screen went out - replaced with an LCD HDTV
we still have a 19 inch analog TV in the kitchen. This TV is 2-3 years old, and I hope it will be around for a long time. This TV will need a digital converter - which I will be getting after January 2008.
I also have some TV tuner cards in PCs - I'll either get a replacement TV card or use a converter box for that as well.
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