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Fairfield, OH
| disgusting On the face of it, this is disgusting. I understand the desire for efficiency in communications, but they have to know this technology is out of reach for most consumers. Of course I want one! I don't need the FCC to tell me how great it is. I, and most others, simply can not afford the technology.
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
| Re: disgusting cables and satellites will continue to work the same way whether you have an HDTV or not.
only people suffer(financially) from this will be sole OTA users. they still don't have to buy a new TV. they'll just need a DTV STB. by 2006, i'm sure it'll be very affordable. hopefully under $100.
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lupinia
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join:2004-08-24
Harrisonburg, VA
| I heartily agree. I get digital cable TV, but a lot of people near me can't even get analog cable, and the majority of them can't afford an HD-ready TV (if they could, they'd probably have satellite). In an age where some areas can't even get POTS phone service (I took many tech support calls over CB radio from people who had no landline phone), I fail to see the wisdom in pushing a technology that requires equipment costing as much as some people's cars, while phasing out the system that many people use as their only method of getting TV reception. | |
| | travanx
join:2002-01-15
Glendale, CA
| have any of you actually watched a sports game on an HDTV? I recently got a 48" RPTV for my bedroom. And I just got the 6 channel HD package on Dish. Its very amazing. Now only if I could get the local OTA channels. But the mountain is in the way of the where I need to aim too. You really need to see an HDTV in action at someone's house, not bestbuy or something like that. I think once they force manufacturers to really switch over to only HDTV's, the costs will come down a lot.
Supposedly Intel's new chip for the new DLP tv's is supposed to make a $10,000 set drop to $3000. So imagine what that can do to the more common person priced sets. And this is supposed to happen soon. | |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
| said by travanx  :
Supposedly Intel's new chip for the new DLP tv's
you mean TI?
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join:2004-08-05
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Anon404
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| Oh yes, $3000 will be no problem. I only had to skip food once last week. An extra $3k out of my budget should only mean no food for an extra day or two a week for the next 10 years to save that up. By then they'll probably be down to under $1000. So maybe I'll only need to skip eating an extra day or 2 a week for 3 or 4 years. I count my blessings every day that I'll have an awesome picture to watch instead of the one that's been perfectly fine for me to get by with for the last 40 years. | |
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cmptrblder
join:2001-01-16
Altoona, PA
| Make the damn cable companies that have been milking customers for years put out the HDTV converters so people can either hookup "there tv" or their HDTV. Hell, even the SAT companies only have a mere handful of HDTV channels and you have to buy the HDTV receiver and pay extra for the HDTV programming who's twin channels you already get. Make the consumer buy high priced sets? I got an idea, lower taxes then we can all "go get one". The FCC needs to do its job for a change instead of putting its nose were it doesn't belong..........  | |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
1 edit | Re: HDTV + FCC is a load of CRAP! cable co's and sat co's already offer afforable lease plans on HD set top boxes. you don't pay any more than SD STBs.
no one is making you spend money. you can keep 10-20 years old tv's if you want and continue to use them. i certainly will.
they're just replacing aging analog OTA signal which has been always "FREE" to begin with. it's not like something you've been paying for.
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Kompressor
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Huntington Beach, CA
| YOU are disgusting.
When the old, round picture tubed, black & white TVs first hit the market, very few people could afford them. So if we go by your flawed logic, TV wouldn't exist today because people like you would have stopped it dead in its tracks with your obsessive whining, bitching, moaning, complaining and ignorance of the facts. Well screw you.
I recently purchased a new $700 Philips 30” CRT HDTV and I love the sharp, clear, vibrant, wide, digital picture and I can’t wait for this digital transition to be complete. They also had a 28” HDTV for $500 and they’re getting cheaper and cheaper every day! If you can’t afford that, I have a recommendation for you. Get A Job! And just because YOU don’t want HDTV for whatever reason, doesn't mean everybody doesn't want it.
If you want to stick with your crap picture, that’s fine. You can. All you have to do is get a converter box that should last you the rest of your life or use the old analog cable TV box you get from your cable TV provider. | |
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yock
TFTC
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Fairfield, OH
| Re: disgusting said by Kompressor :
YOU are disgusting.
When the old, round picture tubed, black & white TVs first hit the market, very few people could afford them. So if we go by your flawed logic, TV wouldn't exist today because people like you would have stopped it dead in its tracks with your obsessive whining, bitching, moaning, complaining and ignorance of the facts. Well screw you.
I recently purchased a new $700 Philips 30” CRT HDTV and I love the sharp, clear, vibrant, wide, digital picture and I can’t wait for this digital transition to be complete. They also had a 28” HDTV for $500 and they’re getting cheaper and cheaper every day! If you can’t afford that, I have a recommendation for you. Get A Job! And just because YOU don’t want HDTV for whatever reason, doesn't mean everybody doesn't want it.
If you want to stick with your crap picture, that’s fine. You can. All you have to do is get a converter box that should last you the rest of your life or use the old analog cable TV box you get from your cable TV provider.
Quite an emphatic response. You've made the assumption that I'm some unemployed activist in holding back technology and out to bitch my way out of anything.
I won't resort to the name calling you seemed to need, but I will tell you why I'm disgusted. This isn't some new communication media, nor is this an addition to media that we currently. The FCC wants to phase out analog television compatibility on the analog and digital cable signals. You cited the advent of television. Those who had radios at that time didn't rely on television for their news and a portion of their entertainment. They weren't required to purchase a new piece of equipment in order to continue to use their "old technology"
This desire by the FCC to obsolete analog TV is, at best, premature. Would I like a new digital TV? You bet! By god this 19" thing sitting in my living room sucks compared to what you can get these days. But by God it's all I have, and until the price on this equipment drops significantly it's all I can afford.
I'm also amazed by the lack of tact you show in calling for me to get a job. I have one, thank you, and I do alright for myself.I don't feel a need to justify to you where my money goes, but (just to appease you) I'll have my degree by 2006.
Grow up.
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| Re: Can someone please explain cell phones, pagers, you name it... open up those previously off limit frequencies to business and it can be used a variety of things, many of which we probably not thought of yet.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Re: Can someone please explain or, wireless broadband!
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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| Spectrum is one of the few things in the world (universe, what the heck...!) that are truly finite.
Now, if something is only available in an extremely limited quantity (like spectrum) then the sky is the limit for what its value is...
$70 billion just barely touches what the 'real' value is... | |
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DaDogs
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| I could deliver you six megabits of wireless broadband thirty miles from my tower.
The answer to number one is the answer to number two.
The FCC is positioning itself to open up a BUNCH of spectrum which is currently unused, and to place some of it into the ISM bands.
Just as it cost a whopping lot of money for an ARLAN 655 wireless card, when they were a new technology, and now the equivalent can be had for $25.00. Ditto HDTV, it is about economies of scale. Larger markets create economies of scale and you wind up being able to buy nicer stuff at lower prices.
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Deltaville, VA
| Re: Can someone please explain
Yep.. There ain't much bandwidth available below 1000 MHz. That's the big deal.
It is one of those, ELF has certain *SPECIAL* properties that are worth billions to the right bidder.
Ditto LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF and then we get to microwave.
The VHF/UHF spectrum is probably the single most valuable short range (less than 100 miles) broadcast spectra in the entire spectrum for data transmission. It is well past the time that we kicked the TV bastids off those channels and used them for what they are best suited, digital data.
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Wilkes Barre, PA
| HDTV format Out with the old technology and in with the United States government pork barrel spending. 
Maybe the money would be better spent keeping high tech jobs in the United States by stimulating growth in the manufacture sector. You know all the new HD televisions will be manufactured in the far east and Japan which will further erode the US economy by moving technology and jobs overseas.
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skelet0r
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Florence, AL | Re: HDTV format Yeah screw those commie bastids. j/k | |
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| Well, is that better than the alternative, which is to not progress at all? So there's no new technology for people to spend their money on in the first place? Some sets may be made in japan, but a lot of US labor still goes into the production of HDTV programming, sale and installation of HDTV equipment, cables to hook it up, etc, etc.
I've understood for a long time that a lot of the posters that frequent this place could care less about television in general. It still never ceases to amaze me how negative people are here about new technologies, on a site that's dedicated towards an emerging new technology. "Outrageously expensive?" The price of bigscreen HDTV sets has fallen below the price of similar standard def TVs at the time HDTV made its consumer debut near the end of 1998. A good quality stnadard def 50" bigscreen was around $2000 back then. A quick glance at BestBuy.com shows that I can get a 50" HDTV capable set for $1199 today.
As far as DTV awareness goes, I think the FCC is trying to accelerate the timetable in which they can begin to profit on the sale of spectrum. They're trying to make money rather than lose it due to the deadlines that are highly likely to slip. That, and they want people watching OTA TVs to understand what's goign on when that signal does, eventually, go dark.
That said, I tend to agree that this campaign is a waste of money. I think the various manufacturers of HDTVs are much better poised to sell new televisions, and cable and satellite operators will work to sell the services to interested people. "Awareness" is too little too late. I think most people interested already know about it. The price of the technology continues to fall nicely. The FCC has already done the key things they need to do in order to get adoption going, particularly the requirements they have put onto cable operators. The major networks have the content for it out there now. Most major sporting events, and non-reality primetime TV shows are all in high definition now.
If they wanted to meet their deadlines, they needed to get cable operators on board with HDTV a long time ago. I've had a HDTV capable set since december of 1998, and I'm in the Los Angeles DMA. It's only this past year that I've finally been able to watch the network HD programming on it. I don't think it will be very long before the cable companies simply give out HD capable set top boxes, since they work on both standard def and high def TVs. For example, the 6208 DVR that Comcast offers, does both HD and SD. They don't even offer a model that's standard def only in those markets.
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Warren, OH
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| Re: HDTV format i got to comment on the beginning of your post reguaring the TV prices:
this is one thing i cant agree more on here. our family finances are so fuked right now thanks to bush, we are already 5 months behind on our rent (thank god for a sweetheart landlord who knows what we are going through). just recently we DID have an HD-ready set in our home as a rental from the local rental store around here. it was a very nice set. Toshiba 57h83. although we never managed to watch any HD content on it since having it, it was a nice set nonetheless. but thaks to bills getting behind we couldnt afford to keep it and had to give it back. but i can tell you right now, for only $30-40 every 2 weeks, that HD set is definitely in our future once we get back on our feet financially. and considering our family only brings in about $25k a year, this is saying something. | |
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zoom314
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richk_1957
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| Gimme a break! Yeah, the Digital TV is supposed to be better, but the couple times I've had to check it out, I haven't seen much difference. But that's beside the point, A)I don't watch much TV and B)the Digital TV sets are outrageously expensive.
So, because of A, why should I be forced to shell out a lot of $$$ for something which I won't use that much? | |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
| Re: Gimme a break! no one is forced to buy a new tv.
they can use whatever they have already. they can still watch cable, satellite, vhs, or dvd with their analog televisions. it's just that analog OTA will be gone in 2006.
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Minas Tirith | Re: Gimme a break! Oh, well, by 2006 I'll have to replace the one I have anyway | |
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join:2002-02-08
New Milford, CT
| said by zno :
it's just that analog OTA will be gone in 2006.
At this point, it does not look like this will be the reality. Here is the loophole that the FCC is trying to avoid with this extra promotional work.
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That date may be extended, however, until most homes (85%) in an area are able to watch the DTV programming. At that point, broadcasting on the current (analog) channels will end and that spectrum will be put to other uses. Until the transition to DTV is complete, television stations will continue broadcasting on both their digital and analog channels.
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html
Some estimates claim that, as of May of this year, less than 2% of U.S. households meet the FCC requirement. Transitioning the next 83% in 2.5 years looks to be impossible at this point.
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
| Re: Gimme a break! said by Qixotl :
Some estimates claim that, as of May of this year, less than 2% of U.S. households meet the FCC requirement. Transitioning the next 83% in 2.5 years looks to be impossible at this point.
those numbers are very misleading.
as i said in previous post, the only people that will be affected by this change will be the ones who get their TV signal only via OTA.
tell me how many household out there do this? and give me the percentage only out of this group.
because the rest of people get their tv signal via cables, satllites or phone lines(iptv) and they'd be careless.
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| | jazzy112
join:2003-12-05
Fargo, ND
| Sam's Club has a 32" Phillips HDTV for $600.00 which is $100 less than I paid for my 27" Sony SDTV in 1997.
The tech is affordable, you just have to realize that the products are not disposable like today's standard def TV's.
I'll take a quality set for 6-900 that's going to last 10 or more years over a POS Wal Mart $99 special that you throw away in 2 years.
Now some of you would say you've had your $99 set for more than two years, well I am sure if I sat down in front of that same TV I would throw it in the garbage..... i am a very picky person when it comes to video and audio quality. | |
| | niplet
join:2003-10-04
Antioch, TN
| What do you consider expensive?
i have seen HDTV's starting @27" for around $299 in Nashville, that my friend is not expensive, considering just two years ago a Sony Wega was selling for over $500 for a 27".
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| | | radougherty
join:1999-07-23
Austin, TX | Re: Gimme a break! Agreed the price of the sets are coming down, but you still need a STB to get a HD signal which is another couple hundred of dollars or an additional charge from your cable company over and above the digital STB charge. | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Gimme a break! That is true, though I think you would be nuts not to get HD, you certainly don't need it to enjoy the benefits of what they are doing.
TV's are coming way down. A 56" 16:9 rear projection TV I paid $3200 for 3 and a half years ago now cost you about $1800.
Many TV's are starting to add the O-T-A HD tuner and I believe the rest are required to have them after January (If I understood my supplier correctly). This will probably add a few bucks (between 100 and 200), but like everything else they will probably be down to what they were in a year or so. | |
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panth1
The Coyote
join:2000-12-11
Boca Raton, FL
| Finally the FCC is educating people Sucks for all missing out on HDTV. Once you watch it you will never want to go back to analog tv. If you haven't watched an HD football game you should really check it out.
While the FCC is only forcing broadcast stations to move to digital, HD not required, just about all the networks are broadcasting primetime shows in HD as well as a few cable networks.
Everyone with cable or satellite won't have a problem but the ones with an antenna will have to get a new tuner when the signals go off the air.
Pisses me off that these groups are complaining about the FCC informing people about digital tv. I bet they would be the first in line to complain when the signals were shut off because they didn't know about the transition. | |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| My Eyes Glaze Over All these people crying about the cost of an HDTV on a broadband / computer 'site really gives mes a good laugh at the irony of it all.
Some are you are probably willing to shell out $2000 or more for a fast computer, plus $1000 for a large LCD monitor, plus another $1000 for peripherals and software, so you can play frigging computer games. That's $4000 for a system that the average person would never, ever need. Some people spend that much and just surf the web, or download porn, or post on forums.
I bet if the government was spending all that money to wire the country for broadband you'd be right there cheering them on.
Just because YOU can't afford, or YOU don't see the need for an HDTV, doesn't mean others agree with you. If the government was NOT pushing HDTV, some of the same folks complaining about us "falling behind" other countries in nationwide broadband service would be complaining about us "falling behind" the Japanese or Europeans, or South Koreans or whomever in HDTV.
Just because a percentage of people can't "afford" something does not mean it should be denied to others. We don't live in a socialist dystopia yet, though some of you give the impression we should be. By socialist dystopia, I mean the kind of place where everyone is absolutely at the same level, the lowest one.
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join:2004-02-01
Oak Grove, MO
| I seen this before........ Gosh I have seen this one before........the phase out of unleaded gasoline. In the begining of the introduction of unleaded gasoline the price of unlead was higher and had less octane. People scream "never will I give up my regular gasoline burning automobile". "I paid two hundred dollars for my regular gasoline burning car and no-way will I spend a couple of thousand dollars on a no-lead gasoline car with a catalytic converter."
Times change for the better. Analog television frequencies take up much more spectrum compared to digital television. So we need to clean up the frequency space to make room for more wireless broadband to home. Television is going to be wonderful in HDTV. | |
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fireflier
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Limbo
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| Re: I seen this before........ Another benefit of HDTV/DTV that hasn't been mentioned yet (at least to this point in the thread) is the ability to multicast on one channel. I.e. you don't have to use all of the bandwitch of a specific channel for HDTV content. You can broadcast 2, 3, 4 different programs on the same "channel". On an HDTV I saw recently, channel 46 was the normal OTA analog channel. The TV picked up 46.1, 46.2, and 46.3. Each .x program was different but broadcast in standard definition so you effectively had 3 channels rolled into the allocated space of one.
This works great if for instance a network program gets pre-empted by a sporting or political event. Assuming the broadcast station supports it, you could continue watching your regular show.
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| Not Totally True The 2006 mandate is not totally true. There is a shut off valve. It's been a couple of years since I've read it, but the FCC can not force the stations to give up their analog frequencies until 60% (I believe) of house holds have DTV. If someone remembers the number, plz let me know. I'll have to pull it again. | |
| | jeffdbs1
join:2004-02-01
Oak Grove, MO
| Re: Not Totally True 85%. If you count all the cable, satellite and digital Over-the-Air set-top boxes the digital 85% line may already have been reached. Cable and satellite will just use the digital Over-the-Air signal instead of the analog Over-the-Air signal to provide local channels. | |
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victord
join:2000-08-30
Sacramento, CA
| waste, maybe--but happy w/HDTV I recently got rid of my bedroom tv (13" JVC--had for over 20 years). Picked up a 26" Samsung WS HDTV w/built-in HD Tuner--this was the smallest tubed HD I could mount on a wall bracket. The investment was just over $700--not completely out of reach. I am truly satisfied with the purchase and all that HD has to offer. Locally, I receive (1)NBC, (4)PBS, (2)ABC, (2) CBS, (2)WB, and (1)FOX over the air digital stations on amplified rabbit ears--no UPN digital yet. I also receive the analog transmissions--yes, there is a difference. While I don't know when or where the force feed should start, I am just happy it is available. Why not just embrace it? | |
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| TV set cost is certainly not an obstacle. I paid $1,700.00 for a 36" Sony WEGA SDTV in August 1999. A comparable DTV version sells for between $800.00-1,000.00 today. STBs have dropped to below $200.00 for the OTA crowd
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Tha ReAlEsT
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| Price Correct me if im wrong, but when the fcc the change from analog to digital, wouldnt hdtv become a lot cheaper, because they wouldnt be anything special but will just be the normal technology or just a TV?
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| Re: Price The HD sets and equipment will continue to drop in price. The digital transition will not make HD cheaper for the broadcaster. HD broadcast equipment is still very expensive because it is specilized. Live event programing is also more costly to produce in HD or in analog. Production costs for HD are very pricy still. A HD mobile rig is apox 10 mill now. HDNET has 2 of them. The transition to digitl is costly for the brodcastes since they have to run two diffrent transmiters, one analog, and one digital. The transmiters use lots of power. One transmiter can eat up 100,000 of power in a month. Once the transition is done, the analog tranmiters can be shut off and they save lots of money.
On the consumer side the costs are dropping quickly. Amazing sets can be bought for 1,000 to 5,000 that once cost 3,000 to 20,000. Just like other electronics the prices are dropping fast. A basic tuner will cost under 100 before the along cutoff date occurs. People will complain, but progress is beter than no progress. Also the along spectrium is work 100 billion or more. I have herd figures north of 1 trillion dollars for it. It will be great for data uses and for other uses such as public safty. This money will go to kill part of the national debt so that my great grand kids are not paying for todays gov spending. I am 27 by the way. The change to digital will not drop the price much, but supply and demand will cause downward spiral in prices just as it has happened to computers, cell phones and vcrs. | |
| | dplantz
join:2000-08-02
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| My own home theater I own a nice 30 inch samsung hdtv set. I have been engoying hdtv since Jan 2003. The set was 1,000. Total home theater cost about 3,000 between the tv, dvd player, 7.1 reciver, sacd player, and directv hd box. It could have been done for about 1,000 less but I would rather invest in quality now for stuff used everyday. Also the set was calibrated. Calabration is a must to get a proper signal from any hd set. I wish all programing was HD. I am glad the fcc made a website that is non confusing. It coste taxpayers little to do so since they would have used a contractor that is allresdy on the payroll in charge of maintaining gov web sites. Too many people are given bad advice about there HD equipment and programing options. I have herd that one in 5 homes in the US has an hd capable set, but only 5% have the proper equipment to view HD content. What good does having an HD capable set with analog cable or a dvd player hooked up to it? None in my mind. I am an early adopter on tech. I have had broadband since 2000. I was spoiled by having broadband in college in 95. It was 600k but in 95 that was very fast. | |
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Tha ReAlEsT
The King Is Back, Where My Crown At?
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| Re: Price Yea, i just wanted to bring this up, because i saw a lot of people complaining about over priced sets, but when all broadcast is digital, then these hdtv's will just be regular tv's. When Analog broadcast is finish, then Cable co's will most likely go all digital also to say bandwidth.
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| TrekfanII
join:2000-10-14
Bronx, NY
| What Happened to 1080P ? I see that alomost all the hdtv televisions are presented in 1080i format but what about 1080p format?Why are there aren't any of these available?Surely this is at least for me the ultimate presenentation for this format and the FCC should also recognize this option in their web site but it does not. Computer monitors are in this format and it something that I think not out of the scope of the manufactures for all current formats.Eg:tubes,lcd,plasma,or any future display tech.Any one out there agree or disagree? | |
| | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
1 edit | Re: What Happened to 1080P ? I belief that the answer is - the added quality is not worth the added bandwidth and cost that it would take.
There are very few Plasma screens that even do 1080i. Most (especially the ones in a reasonable price range) only support 720p. I actually can't think of one right now that does anything higher then 720p. It is more common for LCD's to do 1080i (another reason they are superior to plasma) and I know there is a 46" Samsung model that is like 8k that does 1080p natively. Now that is SWEET! | |
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Dr Demento
I Vant Blud
join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
1 edit | Perhaps they're using time travel Because that site looks like, for big budget cooperate standards it should be 8-10 years old.
And Portals are such a thing of the past.:D | |
| | cdbma
join:2003-01-19
Bolton, MA
| Re: Perhaps they're using time travel Comcast takes $50 from me every month for "basic" analog cable. That will nearly double when I convert to digital and add monthly fees for extra digital and HDTV converter boxes (one/outlet). Then I go out and spend at least a grand on a HDTV.
Gas and heating oil here in the northeast are close to $2/gallon.
My disposable income are going to oil companies these days, not Comcast. | |
| | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Re: Perhaps they're using time travel With Charter here in St. Louis I pay $63 for the expanded basic with the HD tuner and HD package. | |
| dbozzo
join:2003-10-29
Roslindale, MA
|  Technology requires moving forward, not backward
1. THE MEDIA would be the most crucial pathway to increasing consumer awareness of DTV and HDTV.
2. Better DTV training for industry sales. (Some salespeople out there can't even find the component video jacks)
3. No more up-converted retailer demos. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! (That's why most people are not impressed with the picture)
4. Retailers should show budget priced equipment in their ads. (Currently a foreign concept)
5. Sub $50 Cable/OTA down-converters should be scheduled to
roll out ASAP. (If you have to start somewhere, might as well be the bottom of the ladder)
There you have it. By the way the acronym for NTSC is NOT National Television Standards Committee, It's NEVER TWICE SAME COLOR! If you have any doubts, go watch European analog tv. (lol) | |
| | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Technology requires moving forward, not backward I own an electronics company that I do part time so I dont have a demo shop to show people. I generally send them to Best Buy to find what they want and one thing I ALWAYS tell them to do is INSIST that they remove it from their demo and show them the model without their spiced up picture. This has reduced my "Hey! Why doesn't it look as good as it did at Best Buy?" complaints after I hook them up. | |
| | | smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
| Re: Technology requires moving forward, not backwa Best Buy's "spiced up" picture? What are you talking about?
All the Best Buys in this area, 4 of them, have HORRIBLE HDTV pictures on all of their sets, running from the Best Buy demo.
Unless they have Discovery HD playing, which looks awesome on any HDTV set, all of their HDTV sets look like crap.
I think Best Buy turns people off of HDTV with their horrible Demo channel.
Best Buy certainly isn't "spicing up" HDTV to look better than it does. Just not possible. | |
| | | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Technology requires moving forward, not backwa I never said anything about spiced up HDTV. Unless the TV supports 1080p and they are upcoverting it to that there is now way to spice up HD. I just simply said spiced up. Your Best Buy may not show good HD, but the one around here shows a great picture all the time. Maybe it is Discovery or HDNet which is one of the few that does true 1080i HD. Most other channels are either 720p or upconverted to either 720p or 1080i. Yes there is a difference in quality for those questioning that.
Regardless the picture they show is not the typical picture a user will see when watching Cable, Satellite, or OTA and is therefore spiced up and misleading the customer. They should have it noted clearly in the store that the picture they are showing is not typical of customers experience. Kind of like the one in catalogs. | |
| | | | | philb8
join:2001-04-05
Portola Valley, CA
| Re: Technology requires moving forward, not backwa Most consumers get 19 mbits at best .. 1080p and 720p look about the same at that bit rate. 1080i still has interlace artifacts.
A decent 1080p pro monitor is $25K for a 22 inch .. and we are talking gigabit plus data rates.
I'll take my DLP at home over the pro monitors at work .. bigger, brighter and 1/10 the cost.
The HD Tivos are here and already well hacked .. 4 tuners on the direct TV models and they will record two HD channels at once. They are linux based so 3rd party web control interfaces etc.
Off air HD looks great .. check out CSI or live sports!
HBO is good too .. Movies, Sopranos, Six feet under are all hi def.
NTSC is getting to be like dial up! | |
| | | | | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Re: Technology requires moving forward, not backwa Samsung is introducing the LT-P468W 46" LCD TV for a cool 8 grand. This one does 1080p.
HBO's HD blows goats. They upcovert 90% of their content and it comes nowhere close to HDNet or Discovery HD. IMO | |
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FCC: HDTV Salesmen
Can someone please explain