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FCC Hints At Return To Open Access
Companies are of course, annoyed...
by Karl Bode Friday 20-Nov-2009 tags: legal · competition · fcc · bandwidth
According to the Wall Street Journal, the FCC is seriously considering re-establishing some kind of open access rules, which would give new entrants access to incumbent infrastructure at reduced price. Open access was the central idea behind the 1996 telecom act, which required incumbent operators to share network access with smaller competitors in order to bolster competition as those upstarts grew into legitimate carriers. A combination of inconsistent regulation and incumbent lobbying ultimately resulted in the U.S. scrapping the idea, though other countries (like France) were able to make the idea work.

Last month, the FCC ruffled feathers when an FCC-funded study by the Harvard University's Berkman Center suggested that such open access policies, when supported by consistent regulation, resulted lower prices, improved broadband penetration, and better service for consumers. That study was quickly set upon by industry lobbyists and their various policy mouthpieces, notes the Washington Post. The National Cable And Telecommunications Association quickly attacked the report as both biased and unreliable:

"Unfortunately, the Report prepared by the Berkman Center is neither comprehensive nor objective," the National Cable and Telecommunications Association wrote in its comments. "Ignoring the commission’s request to perform a thorough study of all the factors potentially affecting broadband deployment and adoption, the Berkman Report donned blinders for any issue that did not fit its agenda of promoting government mandated access regulation."

Of course the National Cable and Telecommunications Association itself is no stranger to the idea of fitting the science to the political agenda, so their lamentations on the subject ring a little hollow. Given said companies spent millions of dollars and the better part of the last decade derailing the last effort to impose these kinds of sharing obligations, they're no doubt daunted by the possibility of having to do it all over again.

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DaneJasper
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Open access

Separation of infrastructure from IP allows for profitability in both while at the same time driving powerful competitive forces. It's a big win for consumers.

-Dane

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Re: Open access

And the NCTA can go sod off, too.

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said by DaneJasper:

Separation of infrastructure from IP allows for profitability in both while at the same time driving powerful competitive forces. It's a big win for consumers.

-Dane
That Dane was the first to reply to this article with the above information says volumes to me.

In Portland, I once had an open-access ISP as well. Great service! I seemed to pay a little more than I would have from the phone company itself, but the ISP took care of everything.
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Re: Open access

Why would it surprise you? Dane runs an ISP that would see huge benefit should unhindered access to incumbents' networks become a universal reality. Note, I'm not disputing the consumer benefit of potential increased competition, just curious why his comment profoundly affected you.
sides14

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If they are going to mandate open access, it should come with strings attached. Such as 'n' number of years and then gone. Nobody will want to build infrastructure, plus a mandatory cutoff date would encourage the open access participants enough time to build.

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Re: Open access

said by sides14:

If they are going to mandate open access, it should come with strings attached. Such as 'n' number of years and then gone. Nobody will want to build infrastructure, plus a mandatory cutoff date would encourage the open access participants enough time to build.
No, look, we don't want 14 different broadband companies tearing up the street and hooking boxes to the sides of houses. That's ridiculous. Let the ride-alongs pay a fair price, and the incumbent benefits because no matter who the service provider is, the incumbent gets its cut.
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said by sides14:

If they are going to mandate open access, it should come with strings attached. Such as 'n' number of years and then gone. Nobody will want to build infrastructure, plus a mandatory cutoff date would encourage the open access participants enough time to build.
Worked for Japan, South Korea, and the UK...
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Separate transport and content!

Sorry folks but we are going to increase competition but it will cost you more. The solution is to do what was done in 1984 when the Government broke up the Bell System into regulated service, non-regulated service and long distance service. Separate the Telephone Business into switching and network. The same would hold true for the cable companies. One company would own the network for transport and the others would supply content. The transport companies would be regulated and the content providers would compete. Once that plan goes into effect the customer will be hit with below line charges that will not be disclosed until they are under contract and receive their first bill.
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Re: Separate transport and content!

said by Mr Matt:

Sorry folks but we are going to increase competition but it will cost you more. The solution is to do what was done in 1984 when the Government broke up the Bell System into regulated service, non-regulated service and long distance service. Separate the Telephone Business into switching and network. The same would hold true for the cable companies. One company would own the network for transport and the others would supply content. The transport companies would be regulated and the content providers would compete. Once that plan goes into effect the customer will be hit with below line charges that will not be disclosed until they are under contract and receive their first bill.
Do you live on the moon. In 1982 I made phoncalls to Germany for over $1 a minute, paid MaBell monthly for my telephone hardware (mandatory), had to share my line with a neighbor, and paid greater than 25 cents a minute for Long Distance. In this day and age it costs slightly more a month for Flatrate everything than customers paid for monthly service charge pre Deathstar breakup. How you can proclaim that doing the same to ISPs would have the opposite effect is either an indication of you a birth date greater than 1984, or having lived under a rock/in a cave somewhere.
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In UK they got so angry with the ILEC, they finally mandated that physical plant be spun off, and the ILEC must become a CLEC customer of the physical plant company

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openreach
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Re: Separate transport and content!

not totally spun off. OpenReach is STILL PART of BT.
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solution to our broadband woes

the single most important thing the FCC could do to spur competition is open access. that's probably why it won't happen.

even if open access rules are passed, it still won't mean anything without effective (ie, very high fines and criminal penalties for CEOs) enforcement. They tried this with the 1996 telecom act and it worked fine with dial up, but the telcos just flat out violated laws in preventing competitiors from gaining a toehold. Verizon was fined $2B (yes, that's a B) for messing with competitors ability to offer service. By that time regulation was "bad" and fiber and cable became except from line sharing.

it's really a two step process:

1) pass open access rules
2) throw people in jail if their companies break the rules

#1 might happen even with incumbent lobbying and pushback.

#2 has to happen also for competition to improve and this is where I see the FCC failing to follow thru

JimZsz

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No chance

Open access policy is to telecom policy as single payer is to U.S. health care policy.

Look how freaked out the incumbents are over network neutrality, and how this FCC is already planning to water that down, and tell me that they would actually re-pursue a policy of forced sharing on the incumbent phone companies, and pursue for the first time such a policy on wireless and cable companies.

Believe me, this FCC doesn't have the moxie to do anything like this. The WSJ got spun hard by someone, or either they were trying to spark more outrage from their right-wing readers at the FCC (just tune into Glenn Beck to see pictures of FCC staff next to Stalin and Mao, and you'll see what I mean).

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Regulations only make a mess of things

Open Access depends on gov't regulators mandating that 3rd parties be sold access at cost. BUT, and this is a big BUT, they never get the cost number right. Either they mandate a number that is below cost - in which case the existing ISPs will declare open warfare on the 3rd parties and do everything they can(legally, of course) to make their offerings non-viable. Or, they will mandate a number that is real cost or above and the 3rd parties won't be able to come in at prices lower than the underlying incumbent ISP. And in that case, who will want their service.

End result: Regulations will not facilitate competition. But it will raise costs for everyone. And we will have to support a bunch more highly paid regulators and the lawyers that all the ISPs will have to hire to fight with the regulators.
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Re: Regulations only make a mess of things

said by ThrowDemsOut:

And we will have to support a bunch more highly paid regulators and the lawyers that all the ISPs will have to hire to fight with the regulators.
So it really IS a win/win situation...!

Yay!
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

...

End result: Regulations will not facilitate competition. But it will raise costs for everyone.
that's BS.

said by ThrowDemsOut:

And we will have to support a bunch more highly paid regulators and the lawyers that all the ISPs will have to hire to fight with the regulators.
the regulators are already in place, they just don't do their jobs.
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

Open Access depends on gov't regulators mandating that 3rd parties be sold access at cost. BUT, and this is a big BUT, they never get the cost number right. Either they mandate a number that is below cost - in which case the existing ISPs will declare open warfare on the 3rd parties and do everything they can(legally, of course) to make their offerings non-viable. Or, they will mandate a number that is real cost or above and the 3rd parties won't be able to come in at prices lower than the underlying incumbent ISP. And in that case, who will want their service.
Then ban the incumbent ISP. The company that owns the plant can't sell anything to households.
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Re: Regulations only make a mess of things

said by patcat88:

Then ban the incumbent ISP. The company that owns the plant can't sell anything to households.
And watch as new deployments dry up. Regulation that makes something less profitable (or not profitable at all) results in less of it.
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Re: Regulations only make a mess of things

said by dynodb:

said by patcat88:

Then ban the incumbent ISP. The company that owns the plant can't sell anything to households.
And watch as new deployments dry up. Regulation that makes something less profitable (or not profitable at all) results in less of it.
If making faster last mile plant that enables content/ISPs to makes more households sign up is the only way to increase shareholder dividends, then thats what the last mile plant company will do. Behold the power of the all mightly dollar.

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said by dynodb:

And watch as new deployments dry up. Regulation that makes something less profitable (or not profitable at all) results in less of it.
Thing is, it's still plenty profitable, so once they get over pouting and trying to get the lobbyists to change it back to the gravy train, they go ahead anyway. That's the problem with the TA1996. They whined and cried and the Govt. folded like a wet paper bag. We all lost.
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It only works if enforced. It worked great in Japan, France, etc etc

Problem is: We didn't enforce it.
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Disagree.

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Re: Regulations only make a mess of things

The evidence speaks for itself.

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Re: Regulations only make a mess of things

said by KrK:

The evidence speaks for itself.
Indeed it does.
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current method failed

Current method has failed to really offer any competition.. I say lets do this! Just two providers selling their product, and cherry picking hasn't really worked out too well for the consumer. I mean ATT here would still make money off of dsl lines being sold through another provider.. I mean heck, where do you think they are leasing it through? Bubba and his two cans? We don't need telecommunications being throttled by greedy companies holding this country back any longer..

Did you folks know that the roads you drive on used to be maintained by private companies? You had to pay fees to use them all the time.. I mean any road anywhere... i'm aware of toll roads and imo those should be banned.. But you see what I mean.. The open roads, more tend to use, and they avoid the toll roads at all cost.. We still pay tax's at the pump.. Even the hybrid drivers..

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Sounds like a great idea to help

us in the end

Which is why it won't see the light of day

Teleco's will continue getting their way with the big guns
openbox9

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Re: current method failed

The roadway system analogy and taxing fuel to support it lends itself well to metered billing for broadband too. Oh wait.....we don't want that.

If we really want Internet access everywhere regardless of location and ROI, put the regulated telephone monopoly back together. Oh wait.....we don't really want to do that either.

Instead, we'd rather hang our hat on forcing open access to aging infrastructure that the infrastructure owners will likely be even less willing to upgrade given this new found "competition". I don't believe open access is the savior that some believe it to be.
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Yes, and do you know that some main roads are still controlled by private companies and that toll roads are a way of life on the East coast's interstate system? It's very irritating to drive there. It should be outlawed.

...and I agree that the current method has failed to offer any real competition through out the US. In SoCal, there are companies such as mminternet, linkline, DSLExtreme that seem to be doing okay. Maybe the rest of the country should follow suit.
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Open access for what?

Are they talking about copper lines, cell phone towers with 3G/4G, fiber optic runs, or all of the above? This is focused on internet access right?

I don't really like the idea of imposing new requirements on existing equipment and adding fees to pay for it. It should be voluntary.

My solution would be for the government to create its own utility companies in markets where companies do not offer open access. Build new infrastructure and buy existing infrastructure (like that Fairpoint stuff that nobody wants), and then sell wholesale access to it like they want to make the private companies do. Then they can sell the whole thing to a company that will keep the open access in place.
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Re: Open access for what?

said by axus:

My solution would be for the government to create its own utility companies in markets where companies do not offer open access.
Do you want that or government healthcare. There is only so much that our bloated government can accomplish with our $12 trillion debt.
jjeffeory

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Re: Open access for what?

I certainly don't want what's being currently pushed by either the house or the senate. So, I guess I want gov't own utilities. Or better yet, I want private companies to step up and perform the functions of their business.
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Re: Open access for what?

It was a rhetorical question more meant to provoke thought about the huge waste our government continues to flaunt. I don't care if we're discussing public utilities, war, bailouts, health care, or any of the other social programs that plague our economy, we need to be spending less money, not more. Government spending has its role in jump starting an economy, but the spending can't keep going unchecked.

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Re: Open access for what?

said by openbox9:

Government spending has its role in jump starting an economy, but the spending can't keep going unchecked.
The problem is, we the people, keep it this way. Why? Everyone wants what they want (and doesn't want to pay for it.)

Our politicians can't cut anything, the voters would throw them out, or the lobbyists that pay their bills getting elected would stop funding them. So they do the inevitable: They fund everything with borrowing, since the people won't accept tax increases either.

We can't afford what we are spending. Sooner or later, this fact alone will bring it all down on our heads. On that day, everything, and I do mean everything, will change forever.

Most of us won't survive it, either.
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The idea is that the last mile, the cable the connects your home to the network is not be owned by the provider. Instead the local loop is regulated and requires that anyone who wants to lease use of it can do so. You the consumer decides who that someone is.

The people owning the infrastructure locally would not be allowed to sell services on that network. So if ATT owns your local lines now they would be required to split off a sub company that only handles maintenance and installation. That company would then lease lines to the parent company at the same rate as anyone else who wants to use it. They would not be able to give preference to themselves over other providers.

If you want voip from one company, tv from another, and broadband from still another, that would be your choice not the local monopoly.

This also keeps the governments hand off things like net neutrality, the only role the government would have is making sure the local loop was leased fairly.

Back when DSL was just coming in there were thousands of isp, until the telco got the right to charge whatever they wanted for using a local line. They made it impossible for other isp to compete by charging things like $50 for each DSL line leased per month. So the independent isp were faced at charging $35 for service + $50 to lease the line for $85 DSL. Nobody would buy it.
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Re: Open access for what?

said by mworks:

If you want voip from one company, tv from another, and broadband from still another, that would be your choice not the local monopoly.
That assumes sufficient infrastructure exists to allow this. Leasing infrastructure applies relatively well to the existing POTS copper pairs, but what about HFC systems? To be truly effective with an eye on future capabilities, a significant portion of our communications infrastructure will need to be rebuilt from the ground up with an architecture capable of equitably doing what you suggest....unless we are happy with DSL at lengthy distances from DSLAMs.
said by mworks:

the only role the government would have is making sure the local loop was leased fairly.
And making sure capable local loops exist?
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Re: Open access for what?

said by openbox9:

That assumes sufficient infrastructure exists to allow this. Leasing infrastructure applies relatively well to the existing POTS copper pairs, but what about HFC systems? To be truly effective with an eye on future capabilities, a significant portion of our communications infrastructure will need to be rebuilt from the ground up with an architecture capable of equitably doing what you suggest....unless we are happy with DSL at lengthy distances from DSLAMs.
HFC is 6 gbps of data. Make everything SDV. If you want to keep broadcasting, 75% of the channels are master (with SDV injected ads to localize them), 25% of the bandwidth is for channels proprietary to the CLECs, whoever pays more to the HFC plant owner for a slot gets the slot. Internet traffic would be either different DOCSIS channels, or the HFC owner has to do Comcast style throttling on the top 10 percentile of highest bandwidth usage on the node. CLEC adds the IP addresses and peering/backbone connections. With different DOCSIS channels, each CLEC would be responsible for congestion. With CLECs sharing a DOCSIS channel, the speed tiers would need to be identical, price wise, IDK how they should be. A punishment for CLECs that oversell would be their customers getting throttled first.
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Re: Open access for what?

Why only 25% to the CLECs? I thought the point was to not have the infrastructure owner providing services. You're actually advocating throttling? How can you possibly have two service providers sharing a 38 Mbps channel? Somehow I doubt your plan works very well in the real world without a lot of node splits to deploy capacity deeper into the field.
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Re: Open access for what?

said by openbox9:

Why only 25% to the CLECs?
Because bandwidth will run out too quickly if 2 copies of HBO and KNBC and WABC are going down the wire. You need to draw the line "must carry" channels, and CLEC exclusive channels, otherwise all the channels will be exclusive for some BS reason or another and the CLECs will all sign agreements to be exclusive to one content provider (now do you want Disney, but not Viacom, or do you want Viacom but not Turner, or do you want NBC Universal but not AETN?).

said by openbox9:

I thought the point was to not have the infrastructure owner providing services. You're actually advocating throttling? How can you possibly have two service providers sharing a 38 Mbps channel?
They either have the same tiers. Or pay per 100 GB on the DOCSIS channel. Or the plant owner fines CLECs who have top 5 percentile usage per 5 minute blocks during congestion. The only other choice is separate DOCSIS channels per CLEC, but it will be a crappy experience for all the CLECs because one channel will be little used, the other overloaded, and cable has capacity limits, 850mhz/6mhz QAM 256 channels=141 channels. 1 GHZ, which is rare, comes out to 166 channels, real world numbers are less because I'm not deducting for upstream channels.
said by openbox9:

Somehow I doubt your plan works very well in the real world without a lot of node splits to deploy capacity deeper into the field.
It doesn't, HFC sharing is very hard, but not impossible.

BPON/GPON has the same problems. Verizon loves PON plant since its almost IMPOSSIBLE to unbundle. Every 32 or 64 ports (FIOS seems to be 1.3 to 1.6 fibers per 1 family house from my amateur counting) share a 622/155 or 2500/1200 for GPON internet channel. DOCSIS style. DSL is circuit based, no opportunity for oversubscription except at the DSLAM, if the DSLAM lives at an RT (most of the USA), then the CLEC should be able to rent a fiber or TDM SONET circuit from the DSLAM (dedicated bandwidth pool) back to the CO. Canada is different from USA. Canada requires the ILEC to unbundle to the internet edge, a P2P circuit through the ILEC's national ethernet/ATM network from your customer to your datacenter, unlike the USA, this means in Canada, most DSL resellers are subject to the congestion domain of the ILEC's incumbent ISP. Some Canadian DSL resellers have their own DSLAMs at the CO, but the same problem of 80% of households being out of reach of the CO DSL comes up. PON internet users share a collision domain just like DOCSIS, except the collision domain is so large, currently there is no congestion.

Lets look at Verizon. Their plant is BPON (even if they have GPON equipment, they still only sell BPON tiers), 622 down. I'll assume the common tier everyone gets is 25/15, 32*25=800mbitps. Oversold. And FIOS uses the internet channel for VOD, which i think was 6mbitps per stream. It will be very tough to unbundle the FIOS PON. There is some hope. There is already one FIOS PON seller, »www.dslextreme.com/news/press/DSLXFiber.aspx but of course Verizon could kill them at any time, and Verizon makes up all the rules in that business agreement.

I've read that PON networks can be made open by running more F1 fibers to the FDH, then when you switch CLECs, at the FDH your plugged into a different CLEC's F1 back to the CO. So different CLECs have their own congestion domains and can under/over sell to their hearts desire. You can also retrofit a PON network to be totally P2P fiber up upgrading the F1 FDH to CO link with a unique fiber for every fiber at the FDH (in reality, it will probably be less than 1 F1 fiber for every F2 fiber).

Whats funny is, I've read (please confirm) is the US poster child of open access fiber, Utopia, has Active FTTH, the neighborhood cross connects are fiber ethernet switches. The worst possible choice for open access fiber. Not passive PON splitters, not P2P fibers back to the headend. Somehow I've never heard of Utopia turning into a traffic jam. I do know all but one of the Utopia ISPs have GB caps. I don't know if the caps are enforced.

huntml

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said by axus:

My solution would be for the government to create its own utility companies in markets where companies do not offer open access. Build new infrastructure and buy existing infrastructure (like that Fairpoint stuff that nobody wants), and then sell wholesale access to it like they want to make the private companies do. Then they can sell the whole thing to a company that will keep the open access in place.
As soon as they try to do that, the incumbents will fight it, just like the incumbent telecoms have fought muni wireless, and just like the incumbent insurers are fighting the public option.
Phugg

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Free ride for smaller co's

This is attempt by lobbyists to aid in their own small co's development and future profits. By letting smaller co's use a larger co's pipe without having to reimburse the larger for building the infrastructure.
To break it into smaller language . I own the road from here to the next town. Its a toll road. Now I have paid for this road with my own money. Now the Govt said I have to let company b, c, d, e into the Toll side of this without any payback of building the road. Just put up a toll booth at any point and start collecting .. is that fair ? NO , is it profitable to company b c d e .. yes. Who owns company B c d e ? I bet the lobbyists who put the action in place have a stake in b c d e ....
mworks

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Re: Free ride for smaller co's

Except they didn't pay for it with their own money. The money used was money they stole from consumers by telling lies to congress about how they would provide cheap access to everyone. Then when they got the tax cuts, regulations lifted, they went back on their promises and kept the money.
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And who let you build a toll road in the first place? Did you use eminent domain? Did you secure easements? Did you privately buy out all the land with no judicial assistance? What about the building permits and zoning code for your highway? Did you land already come with the right to build a toll road over it according to zoning code?

huntml

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I'd agree with you if the incumbents gave back all the free easements, free spectrum, eminent domain awards, direct government grants and patent licenses, etc., they've received since the beginning of the 20th century.

How many hundreds of billions do you think they'd have to give to the gov't to 'own' their pipes free and clear?
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Re: Free ride for smaller co's

said by huntml:

I'd agree with you if the incumbents gave back all the free easements, free spectrum, eminent domain awards, direct government grants and patent licenses, etc., they've received since the beginning of the 20th century.
Free? I believe a lot of money changes hands for easements and spectrum licenses. Eminent domain actions aren't free. Grants, depends on what you're referring to.

huntml

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Re: Free ride for smaller co's

The first spectrum licenses were pretty much given away, weren't they? And do you really believe that every easement or eminent domain taking that has been executed for the benefit of a telecom, the money that changed hands was fair market value?

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A good start would be....

A good start would be having the FCC reverse the rules and policies which have gutted the statutory provisions of Section 252(i), which reads:
(i) Availability to other telecommunications carriers
A local exchange carrier shall make available any
interconnection, service, or network element provided under an
agreement approved under this section to which it is a party to any
other requesting telecommunications carrier upon the same terms and
conditions as those provided in the agreement.
As originally enforced (by the Reed Hundt Commission) this forced the ILECs to open up, piece by piece, the parts they sold to others, including their affiliates, without all of the burdens of an agreement that tied in things like bulk purchases or other services. Later commissions adopted rules and policies of non-enforcement of this section, and the result was to take everything the ILEC's way or not at all....

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least bitter taste.. of competition..

take your pick:

open access

or

third wire infrastructure

though, keep in mind, open access will apply equally to cable as well as telco... so cable companies would have to open their networks to voip carriers and the like.. if i were the incumbents.. letting a new carrier build would be the better option.. it will take decades to get established & have effective competition, whereas the open access can bleed revenue off right away.

Afterall, why should voip/digital phone cost $35-55 from a cableco or telco when 3rd party voip carriers have it for $10-$25 a month? Google voice is also giving it away for free... (as of now)

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