FCC Holds More Closed Door Meetings On Net Neutrality

said by Karl Bode:

So what you're saying is that CEOs and regulators are both entirely full of shit and phony, the only way DC in its current environment can function is to completely bury all honesty off the public record, and anybody who doesn't understand that is an idiot? I think I follow...this real world stuff is complicated.

said by Linklist Public meetings should be limited to ascertaining who the special interest groups are and if they have any support. Hammering out policy in a public meeting is impossible.
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said by Rob:

Government meetings shouldn't involve special interest groups, ever.

said by Linklist:

Sure that will work. They are the ONLY ones who go to these meetings. The public(the mass of people actually affected by policy) don't go to these meetings. They could care less. Only those who have an axe to grind over a coming change bother to show up. If you banned special interest groups the meeting would have no one in the seats.

said by Linklist:

The public (the mass of people actually affected by policy) don't go to these public meetings. They could care less.

said by nasadude:

MMH
boy, are you naive.

said by nasadude:

these meetings are closed because they don't want the public to know what they are doing (or planning to do).

Why the meetings are closed:

least bad interpretation - the FCC just wants to hear what the incumbents really want (which they presumably would not admit in a public meeting; I leave it to you to guess why they won't say in a public meeting)

most likely interpretation - the incumbents are telling the FCC what it is they will accept and give the FCC their marching orders.

I'm sorry, but I am not a big fan of open public meetings. They accomplish NOTHING and are merely used to feed the press a news release. Real progress and compromises are achieved in private.

said by Karl Bode:

Not that you'd know. It being private and everything.

said by Karl Bode:

Campaign contributions and ass kissing net those closed door buddy meetings. Campaign contributions are what get laws changed.

said by Karl Bode:

If closed door meetings purchased by bribes are the only time a CEO can be honest, that speaks more to the nature of society ... than it does the benefit of hiding information from the public.

Some are because public officials really want to hear the truth once in awhile. And that is the benefit of private meetings.

said by Linklist:

Some of the time, sure.
Not all private meetings are achieved through bribes. Some are because public officials really want to hear the truth once in awhile. And that is the benefit of private meetings.

And yes, society is screwed up. It always has been. And it always will be. But those who want to actually accomplish things learn to work within the reality of that screwed up society. They don't just scream in the wind about how unfair it all is and then walk away. Inveterate complainers don't actually accomplish anything, they just add noise to the conversation.

said by tdouglas22:

Quoted for Clarity.

said by tdouglas22:

Because I feel that your post says it all. I agree with it.

said by Linklist:

Some of the time, sure.
Not all private meetings are achieved thru bribes. Some are because public officials really want to hear the truth once in awhile. And that is the benefit of private meetings.

And yes, society is screwed up. It always has been. And it always will be. But those who want to actually accomplish things learn to work within the reality of that screwed up society. They don't just scream in the wind about how unfair it all is and then walk away. Inveterate complainers don't actually accomplish anything, they just add noise to the conversation.

said by Karl Bode:

See! Look at all the wonderful benefits of closed door, non-transcribed meetings!

said by kaila:

Is this the same RRB that unceremoniously dumped my mother-in-law after the death of her spouse? That reversed payments while creating a coverage gap in her Medicare benefit due to 'lost' paperwork?

said by kaila:

Thanks MMH, we're darn near RRB/SSA experts now. She was successfully transferred to the SSA, with a negotiated closing of the Medicare coverage gap, and are only out a single $1,200 payment and a smaller one-time spousal death benefit payment, which we're working on.

To be fair, I believe this was a simple error caused in part by what seems to be the RRB's desire to reduce their survivor benefit rolls as fast as possible. She was essentially dropped by the RRB, without them notifying the SSA.

We were lucky we had the RRB office nearby in Chicago, but it still took months to resolve in part because no one wanted to take the ownership necessary to get it resolved.

said by Karl Bode:

So what you're saying is that CEOs and regulators are both entirely full of shit and phony, the only way DC in its current corrupt environment can function is to completely bury all honesty off the public record, and anybody who doesn't understand that is an idiot?

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