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FCC: ISPs Deliver 80% of Advertised Speeds
Though Some ISPs Fare Horribly During Peak Hours
by Karl Bode Tuesday 02-Aug-2011 tags: fcc · coverage · business · bandwidth · consumers
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As part of an FCC effort to improve their broadband data collection, the company last year hired UK firm SamKnows to provide a better glimpse at the real speeds consumers were seeing. SamKnows gave 9,000 volunteers home routers with custom firmware designed to monitor daily connection performance, and the FCC today released their first report based on that data. The report examines the performance of thirteen major U.S. ISPs, and by and large shows that most ISPs deliver at least 80% of the speeds advertised. However, some ISPs perform better than others in this regard, and several ISPs aren't delivering the speeds consumers are paying plenty for -- particularly at peak hours.

The report (pdf) notes that ISPs helped their cause immensely by doing a better job accurately advertising their speeds in the first place, many eliminating the dreaded "up to" marketing metric. The study also highlights the differences in delivered speeds by technology, with the data showing that DSL delivered 88% of advertised downstream speed during peak, compared to 93% for cable broadband and 113% for fiber to the home services. Upload speeds during peak hours were 95% of the advertised speeds for DSL, 108% for cable and 112% for fiber.

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When broken down by ISP, the report is particularly unkind to Cablevision -- who was found to deliver just 50% of actual downstream sustained speeds advertised during peak usage hours. Frontier also makes an uninspired showing, delivering just 67% of advertised speeds during peak hours. Windstream, Mediacom, AT&T and Qwest also struggled to meet advertised speeds, though their consistency is significantly better than Cablevision.

Not too surprisingly, ISPs that have been engaged in significant upgrade efforts fare much better. Comcast, who has been busily upgrading their network to DOCSIS 3.0 technology, delivers 144% of the sustained downstream speeds advertised. Verizon's FiOS FTTH customers see 104% of peak advertised speeds.

Previous reports by the FCC had claimed that consumers were seeing as low as 50% of the speeds they're paying for, though as we said at the time -- most people in the industry thought that claim to be somewhat inflated. Still, the FCC's new real-world data clearly highlights there's a gap when it comes to following through to advertised speeds, particularly for phone companies nursing aging, distance-constrained DSL technologies. Obviously the study doesn't address the fact U.S. consumers pay more for these services due to limited competition (or the fact the FCC by and large doesn't want to address this fact), but it remains promising that the FCC has at least stopped using completely imaginary data to inform policy decisions.

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DataRiker
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FIOS

Look at the Verizon FIOS on the Graph!

WTF is going on with Cablevision?
yt
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Re: FIOS

said by DataRiker:

Look at the Verizon FIOS on the Graph!

They were pretty lucky to get special measurement / reporting (unlike U-verse and DOCSIS3.) I expect Verizon will play this up as an ISP vs the select/limited areas that FiOS is available.
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Skippy25

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Re: FIOS

said by yt:

They were pretty lucky to get special measurement / reporting (unlike U-verse and DOCSIS3.)

Please elaborate on this statement.
yt
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Re: FIOS

What other ISP got a special measurement category around a specific product / technology over a selected footprint?
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CylonRed
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Re: FIOS

What other large ISP has residential fiber???

rudnicke
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MediaCom

Looks like MediaCom fails on the download speeds.

Six Gun Kid
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Re: MediaCom

said by rudnicke:

Looks like MediaCom fails on the download speeds.

That's no surprise, been there done that...

joako
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Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

PowerBoost really fudges the numbers. Comcast customers see above 100% of the advertised speeds *on speed tests*
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nweaver

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Re: Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

Actually, they are pretty careful to take such shaping into account in the measurement:

The test is over 30 seconds of full rate, with three concurrent TCP streams. The bandwidth delivered is only measured in the last 5 seconds.

(There is also reporting on the first 5 seconds, which captures the boost effect).

BHNtechXpert
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Re: Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

said by nweaver:

Actually, they are pretty careful to take such shaping into account in the measurement:

The test is over 30 seconds of full rate, with three concurrent TCP streams. The bandwidth delivered is only measured in the last 5 seconds.

(There is also reporting on the first 5 seconds, which captures the boost effect).

Boost technology thresholds vary from provider to provider. It is IMPOSSIBLE for them to adjust for it and get meaningful data. The only way to work around it would be to test each time for an extended period of time attempt to detect the drop then start the benchmark...a very difficult task. Not only are the speeds skewed but also the consistency of service. In the case of consistency or QoS anyone using boost technology would have their connection QoS poorer than someone not using boost technology.

This is pretty much why this whole thing is waste of time because virtually all the majors are now using some form of boost technology on one or more tier offerings.
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Re: Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

Comcast, TWC and Cox use PB. Others don't.
iansltx

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PowerBoost may still be in effect 30 seconds after a multistream download starts. After PB dies speeds are roughly as advertised *shrugs*

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Re: Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

said by iansltx:

PowerBoost may still be in effect 30 seconds after a multistream download starts. After PB dies speeds are roughly as advertised *shrugs*

It's not that simple my friend. I and many others have tried to work around PB in broadband benchmarking and it's extremely difficult and differs like I said earlier with each provider. It also tends to cause havoc with streaming and other applications where the streaming engine is inferior or intolerant of wide datarate fluctuations and/or slower or misconfigured PC's. Simply put PB is great for marketing and real crappy for real world performance where consistency of datarate is important.
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nweaver

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Re: Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

Comcast's implementation is a "leaky token bucket" shaper, which is over all flows on the user. Since the burst capacity is generally around ~20 MB of data, this should be gone after 10-15 seconds at the data rates we are talking about, so at least for Comcast the measurements are highly likely to exclude powerboost effects.

Additionally, this is data which, IIRC, is or will be made available, including packet traces, through Mlabs. If so, you can validate for yourself that the sustained data rate has dropped down, excluding the burst effects.

And this may make consistent datarate apps unhappy (OTOH, constant datarate apps need to adapt anyway because of cross-traffic), but it makes bursty-interactive apps, like web surfing, very happy.
yt
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said by joako:

PowerBoost really fudges the numbers. Comcast customers see above 100% of the advertised speeds *on speed tests*

Read the report a bit more. That data is for sustained speeds and taken after the Powerboost effect. If you add PowerBoost back in they exceed Fiber as much as 150% (130%-200% over provisioned speed for upload)
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Scuty

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I totally agree with you! When I saw Comcast over 100% I thought it's a joke! There is no way Comcast is delivering over 100%!!
yt
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Re: Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

said by Scuty :

I totally agree with you! When I saw Comcast over 100% I thought it's a joke! There is no way Comcast is delivering over 100%!!

I think the facts show different and they are.
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jlivingood
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Re: Comcast Loves Packet Manipulation

said by yt:

said by Scuty :

I totally agree with you! When I saw Comcast over 100% I thought it's a joke! There is no way Comcast is delivering over 100%!!

I think the facts show different and they are.

Indeed - the facts do show otherwise. These results ran tests on end points that SamKnows and the FCC controlled, to M-Labs servers. There were 1,109 test units in our network. The average peak period and 24-hour sustained (i.e. without PowerBoost) speeds met or exceeded advertised speeds - both upstream and downstream. This is on page 15 of the FCC report.

The numbers with PowerBoost are on page 20 and 21 of the report. One of our tiers achieved 152% of the advertised download speeds, and all were over 100%. In the upstream, one of the tiers delivers over 220%. On a related note, the recent ShaperProbe paper shows similar data, and demonstrates how regularly PowerBoost is delivered.
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Wilsdom

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Why not, since they hardly let their transfer any data?
plat2on1

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Hopewell Junction, NY
comcast customers see above 100% because they over-provision. standard 12/2 is actually 13.2/2.2.

KrK
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That's the cool thing about this method of data collection.

It's not being faked out by caching or packet shaping. This is real time, long term data.
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n2jtx

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Cablevision

Yes, OOL is not what it used to be. I remember back in 2001 when 10/1 speeds were the envy of everyone.
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MxxCon

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Re: Cablevision

I am one of the test subjects with SamKnows router on CV's network.
I had CV install Docsis3 modem and ever since then my speeds have been advertised 15/2 any time of the day, any day of the week.
It's the vast majority of Docsis2 modems that still suffer during peak hours.
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said by n2jtx:

Yes, OOL is not what it used to be. I remember back in 2001 when 10/1 speeds were the envy of everyone.

And the terajet was *the* modem to have!
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Re: Cablevision

What's going to happen when lots more 15/2 customers switch to docsis 3 modems? Do "new" customers on the entry level package still get Docsis 2 modems? I'm shocked Comcast fared so well.. with their soft caps, they've gone a long way to throttle usage so that the network is delivering high speed bandwidth, but everyone consumes less or will be kicked off the network-- same kind of deal with AT&T and many other cablecos, so those caveats need to be defined.

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Satellite

These guys keep insisting on calling satellite broadband so how come thier numbers are not up there for the embarrasment of those companies. I have to admit that Hughesnet has corrected that problem by and large with speeds usually at or above plan speeds on the new systems but those stuck on the old systems and some or most on Wildblue have speeds in the toilet. If your gonna call it broadband and insist it is the best way to reach some people then it should be included in these reports.
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fish1000

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Re: Satellite

I agree. I guess Hughesnets zero percent during peak hours would have ruined the headline.

TheGremlin

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Fairpoint?

Why isn't Fairpoint in there? Are they below 50% or something?

Smith6612
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Re: Fairpoint?

They probably didn't have too many people with Fairpoint to be able to give results. I think SamKnows/The FCC was looking for a large test subject for particular ISPs.
AndyDufresne
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Interesting to see how many Cablevision subs

Cablevision looks way out of the norm . My guess is that sample size had to be out of wack for CV.

Now my isp, Windstream they just suck all the time so no suprise in their numbers and yes I have one of those SamKnows routers.
AndyDufresne
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FCC commisioners should get 80% of their pay

I like how report takes the tone that 80% of what you pay for is ok.

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Crookshanks

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Time Warner

Must be nice to live in markets where Time Warner actually invests money into their infrastructure. I don't know anybody in my area that receives 90% of their download speeds from 8pm to 10pm.

At my last apartment I was lucky to get 3mbps during those hours on my 10/1 connection.
ssavoy
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Comcast fudges speed tests

My downloading over the past 24 hours on Comcast. Only once did it spike over what I pay for. Of course I get 25mbps consistently on speed tests but the real speeds I get are about 40-50% of what I actually pay for (the dark black line in the image).



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Mannus
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My monthly SamKnows stats for July

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I am currently in frontier's 15/5 FiOS speed tier. My stats have been like this for the past 6 months at least, consistently.

MxxCon

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Re: My monthly SamKnows stats for July

very interesting and accurate stats typed in notepad

Mannus
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Re: My monthly SamKnows stats for July

said by MxxCon:

very interesting and accurate stats typed in notepad

What's wrong w/ my stats? I took them directly from my webpage report.

My webpage report is here if it makes you feel any better.
»reporting.samknows.com/reportcar···d1db651d
hutington

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Boulder, CO

Actual / promise ration and FiOS

Some people write that they don't get the actual/promised ratio as given in the report. Remember, the report uses a large database and an individual experience may vary from it. From Qwest VDSL, I get consistent upload / download speed >92 % of the advertised speed with a latency of 24 ms. Qwest's statistics in this report are far worse than that.

What struck me in this report is the superior performance of Verizon FiOS. Will some one educate me, why FiOS is far superior to other technologies ?.

I am waiting for a day when Fiber-to-home internet comes to Boulder, CO.
Skippy25

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Re: Actual / promise ration and FiOS

Because fiber does not suffer from line attenuation like copper does and it has a ton more capacity then copper thus they are not as effected by bandwidth constraints that a copper plant will experience.
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Re: Actual / promise ration and FiOS

said by Skippy25:

Because fiber does not suffer from line attenuation like copper does and it has a ton more capacity then copper thus they are not as effected by bandwidth constraints that a copper plant will experience.

Fiber does suffer from attenuation and distance limits. Fiber lines must be amplified and repeated at regular intervals. But what Fiber does not suffer from is interference. Fiber interference is so negligible, even over long distances, as to be non-existent.
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FiOS is a pure FTTH deployment, is not oversold at this time, and has excess capacity that Verizon is not selling right now. If you look at other pure FTTH deployments like EPB Fiber »epbfi.com/you-pick/#/fi-tv-essen···ne-basic , they are capable of supporting all possible cutomers at 100Mbps download and 100Mbps upload. Verizon could do the same, but they do not think their target customers are willing to pay for it. Moving laser light through glass fibers has been the superior hardwired data link for many years. It is costly to deploy, but has greater growth potential than twisted wire pair DSL or coaxial cable DOCSIS. By 2020 pure FTTH deployments should be able to easily support 1Gbps downloads and 1Gbps uploads for every possible customer in their service areas. Not even the DOCSIS 3.0 cable supporters are able to claim that possibility with any credibility.
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Re: Actual / promise ration and FiOS

Thanks a lot for sharing your insight.
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Even under gpons the fiber will support 2.4gb down and 1.2gb up, however depending upon the size of the optical bundles and switches in the cabinet (NODE) customers may not see these speeds without futher upgrades. Verizon is not expecting to deliver over 150/75 any time soon. It's just now that 50/8 by cablevision has become affordable and it took about 12+ years for them to offer better bandwidth (within consumer's price range). Using that benchmark, it'll take Comcast 20 years, AT&T 50 years.. Qwest/CenturyTel NEVER + 1 day.

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ALL going down hill

I noticed 1 thing ALL of them have in common (not so mcuh Verizon FIOS)..... They ALL are going down.

This either suggest 1 or 2 things.

1) Major American ISP's services are becoming poor. Through lack of development and over taxed networks.

Which would be ironic since ALL of them have been raising their rates 2,3, sometimes 4x a year in the name of wanting to improve their services.

2) Something I have always suspected, but never could prove.... When you 1st sign up, you are given priority network access. And once you "get use to" having their services. They figure you'll be less likely to switch and will settle for less and / or will not notice.
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Rambo76098

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Columbus, OH

AT&T LOL

I love it - Not only do subscribers not get the advertised speeds ever, there is also very little slowdown during peak hours.

But, but, the metering! And the congestion! We need it so badly!

ATTNot

@sbcglobal.net

ATT

I wonder if there are lawyers out there just waiting for someone to sue ATT. The last time ATT was sued for this, I didn't get anything out of it cuz the account was not in my name though i was paying for it. Bummer.

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Sam Knows Participant.

I was one of the test subjects.. was nice getting the reports and seeing exactly what my bandwidth & Latency was during off peak and peak times. FIOS user here and the reports sure helped knowing during peak times playing Battlefield Bad Company 2 it was just me sucking at the game and not a bandwidth issue

Received an email stating the test was over, and later this year they are going to do it again, which I guess means I get to keep this $139 netgear router they sent. Unless Sam Knows is planning on sending out an upgraded router. Nowhere could I find any statement saying I had to return it.
hutington

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Boulder, CO

Re: Sam Knows Participant.

I thought for a while whether to signup and get the free wnr3500L router. Decided not to, fearing that the company will live up to its name (Sam Knows what you are doing ). Also was worried that the test packets will eat up my monthly . Nice to hear that it went well for you. I think you can keep the box. Flash it up with dd-WRT to make sure that it is NOT sending your data without your knowledge.

MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Sam Knows Participant.

Your tinfoil hat fell off.
SK's testing module is opensource. Netgear firmware is opensource.
They do not know what you are doing. They are not snooping on your facebookses and twattors.
All the do is run benchmark about once an hour of there's no other traffic on the line. They are using about 2gigs/month worth of bandwidth.
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MxxCon

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um..i have SK router and i never received any emails that the test is over...i still see performance stats on »reporting.samknows.com

You don't have to return it. You get to keep it regardless if you participate in this test or not.
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Mele20
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Read that email again. The test is NOT over. Testing continues at LEAST until the end of this year at which time there will be another report released publicly.

Testing originally was scheduled for a MINIMUM of THREE YEARS after which we could do whatever we wanted with the Netgear router. I suspect it may end at the end of one year simply because of the economy but we have NOT been told if it will continue after the second report is released at the end of the year.

The current report is ONLY FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH 2011. Plus, only about 6000 of the 9000+ testers results are represented in the PDF report.

From the email:

"Both SamKnows and the FCC plan to continue the project and to
work with the ISPs, Academics and consumer groups to increase transparency
generally in the marketplace. We’d like you to remain on the panel
as there are plans to do another report at the end of this year and
to compare the results between the two reports. We will keep running
the tests and keep giving access to the data. If you have any
questions, please don’t hesitate to contact us. Otherwise, we’ll
look forward to working with you!"

So, don't go trying to flash that Netgear with third party Tomato, or whatever, firmware yet.

The email goes on to say:

"We’re also looking for more volunteers so we can continue to grow
the panel, so if you have any friends, colleagues or neighbours that
would like to measure their broadband performance using the
FCC/SamKnows tests, please direct them to SamKnows.com and we’ll try to send them a Whitebox."

So, anyone interested sign up! I don't know if you will get a Netgear though. I have the Netgear but had a lot of problems with it in bridged mode (it worked fine though when I took my router out of the picture) so SamKnows, about 2.5 months ago, sent me a different router . I am the first tester in the USA to have it. I like it a lot better, at least for bridged mode.

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RedCaliSS
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samknows FAQ's

here are a few FAQ's regarding this test, what data they look at and what is transmitted as well as how they address those few (or many) that have cap's...

»www.testmyisp.com/faq.html

They are recruiting more users should those non tin foil wearing hat users want to participate.

MonkeyLick78

join:2002-01-27
Hixson, TN

..

Seems to be limited to only major isp's. Seems like it would be a better idea to get the whole picture instead of just most of it. I would have participated but I guess I can't.

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