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FCC Nudges FAA to Ease Off In Flight Electronics Rules
Though FAA Still Won't Ease Off Call Restrictions
by Karl Bode 08:51AM Friday Dec 07 2012
FCC boss Julius Genachowski has urged FAA boss Michael Huerta to "enable greater use of tablets, e-readers, and other portable devices" during flights. The FAA had already stated they were undergoing a study to allow expanded use of devices in flight last summer, but that in-flight voice calls would not be part of that review. Genachowski's letter to the FAA simply appears to be a public nudge to expedite that process. Interference concerns for things like tablets have always been dubious, though the rules are also in place to limit injury during from dozens of phones, laptops and tablets during turbulent takeoffs and landings.

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skeechan
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Good, restrict the calls

I can imagine anything much more annoying than being stuck next to some dumbass yapping on a phone.

SHoTTa35

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

That's why I hope they enable DATA but no voice services Technically they already have data services on some planes, it just needs to be done better. I don't need 10Mbps, 1-2 will be fine for reading some sites and such.

Side note - Granted if you have data you can always do VoIP but then again latency will probably kill that anyways so yeah.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Voice calls, at least those using cell, are banned by the FCC, not the FAA.

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It worked for me using the Cisco IP Communicator. I've used it on flights and over Hughes net. 500-700ms will work fine IF it's a steady ping. If it starts to fluctuate all over the place the call goes to hell.
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Skippy25

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Which is 100% of the reason they wont allow it and I agree 100% with this.

It has been shown through many test that no electronic device will interfere with the safe flight of a plane even if used within 3 feet of said equipment. None of us are allowed within 4 to 6 feet any of this equipment while the plane is in flight.

I don't want to be sitting on a plane next to a person or around a group of people that will be yapping the entire time. It is bad enough when I have to hear it on the other forms of public transportation.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Mobile phones are pretty horrible. That is why I wish jammers were legal/licensable so restaurants and movie theaters could use them to keep these dumbasses quiet.
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Re: Good, restrict the calls

If you have problems in a movie theater then you need to take those complaints up with the GMs and owners and tell them you want your money back toss those people out. It should not be up to the gov't to regulate something on private property such as that.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Naw, I just keep my money and stay home.

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said by TBBroadband:

If you have problems in a movie theater then you need to take those complaints up with the GMs and owners and tell them you want your money back toss those people out. It should not be up to the gov't to regulate something on private property such as that.

Haven't been to a theater in years, don't plan on going back if I'm paying for it. I do get free movies on the company dime from time to time (it is their product after all) but movie theaters are for the birds. Too many cell phones, rude people, dirty, sticky floors and cramped up seating.

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said by skeechan:

Mobile phones are pretty horrible. That is why I wish jammers were legal/licensable so restaurants and movie theaters could use them to keep these dumbasses quiet.

They are, aren't they? I would so buy or build one in a heartbeat but I am afraid of the $11,000 fine and losing my FCC licenses to boot. Not worth it. Damn wireless industry has the right lobbyists to protect their cash cow.
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Dude, you're nuts. I REALLY want to be prevented from calling emergency services in a hostage situation. Shooting at a cinema in Colorado this summer. Enough said.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

LOL, yeah, we need to allow everyone to talk in the movie theater because of insane masked gunmen may show up and no one outside the theater doors hear the gunshots. Meanwhile you act as if the theater itself doesn't have a phone.
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Re: Good, restrict the calls

When on earth did I say ANYTHING about allowing people to use their phone in a cinema? Ban it, absolutely. Don't jam it.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

No, jammit-damnit!
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What about emergencies? I am pretty sure the owner of such device would be in a lot of trouble if emergency services could not be contacted because they had their jammer running.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

What about them? Every one of these establishments has wireline phones. If there is an emergency, guess what...you can make a call.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Unless of course there's an armed guy between you and the landline phone (assuming the guy didn't cut the line).

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Assuming everyone in the lobby is deaf, the planets aligned, tides high and dogs and cats live together. Let's take our chances and all have a nice tall glass of STFU during the movie and make sure those Crayon eaters with zero consideration for anyone else are compelled to do the same. Better yet, let law abiding people CC as when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

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You have just illustrated how people are too dependent on wireless technology. It seems anyone under age 30 can't seem to function without their wireless devices. Before the cellphones people would react for self-preservation and defend themselves instead of waiting for tech and public service to "save" them. And before this devolves into a gun debate I believe that there both needs to be rights to carry as well as stiff penalties when you do draw down on someone. The personal responsibility needs to be just as high as the potential risk/threat.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

What does one have to do with the other.

Before cell phones if an armed maniac was in your building and you didn't have a weapon (either prohibited by law as it is in many states or you simply didn't have one), you'd hide in a closet or something and hope he didn't find you.

With cell phones, while you are hiding you can call the police.
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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Yeah, police sure helped those people at the Batman screening. Leave the phone at home and take the S&W.

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Depending on what state you live in, simply carrying that S&W could land you in prison for a few years

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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Beats listening to people on the phone during a movie.

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said by Skippy25:

It has been shown through many test that no electronic device will interfere with the safe flight of a plane even if used within 3 feet of said equipment. None of us are allowed within 4 to 6 feet any of this equipment while the plane is in flight.

That's not entirely true.

MythBusters did an episode about cell phones and plane instruments. They found phones do not interfere with the newer plane instrumentation, but they included an older VOR receiver in the test and certain phones cause interference in that receiver.

They ended up marking the myth as "plausible" because some aircraft may contain the old equipment.

»skeptoid.com/episodes/4014

They later changed their finding to "busted" based on the fact that they didn't test real world conditions.

»dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythb···ents.htm
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Re: Good, restrict the calls

Well obviously I'm not gonna use my iPhone when flying say a 1948 swift but in a modern 747 it should be fine.

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We had several pilots that all said they didn't care if we turned our phones off or not. All three of them told us the myths were bullshit. Even if we did make calls it would have been impossible to hear or talk to the caller because the plane was so loud. Text messaging would work up to about 6,000 feet and was spotty from 7k to 9k and nothing would work above that.

The only thing they said a cell phone would mess with was the "analog' compass if you put the phone with in an inch or so the North would point to the phone.
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Show me that proof. cells phones leak into other EM bands than just the voice and data ones.

And, lets have the damn airline employee stop using their Ipads during takeoff and landing if we want to be fair about it.

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IF the FAA were to lift restrictions I can see the airlines making a "separate" class in the cabin for those using cellphones and either charging more for the talking heads -or worse- charging more for those of us who want peace and quiet on the flight.
At least on a bus you can get off at the next block, with a plane, I think the airlines would see a major PR war with the yappers on one side and the people wanting their small measure of privacy and peace on the other...

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That is the worst thing to give a shit about. People can yap away anyways to anyone sitting near them.

skeechan
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Re: Good, restrict the calls

People are phones are annoyingly loud.

fifty nine

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said by insomniac84:

That is the worst thing to give a shit about. People can yap away anyways to anyone sitting near them.

I bet you are one of those annoying people?

bear73
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yes, but they are less likely to yap at the stranger glaring daggers at them then they are to yap to their friends on their phone while ignoring the visual daggers until the occupant next to them snaps and attacks them with their shiv-fashioned-out-of-an-icecube/soda-can out of frustration...

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As if crying babies aren't bad enough too lol.

battleop

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I've done quite a few VoIP conference calls over time. It's pointless to talk because of so much back ground noise. I usually call in and listen and then if I have any comments I IM them to someone else who is on the call.
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n2jtx

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Huh?

Not sure I am reading this right:

"FCC boss Julius Genachowski has urged FCC boss Michael Huerta"
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Interference

Just got back from a flight on Delta and they announced that "electronic interference" from their prohibited devices MAY cause static in the pilot's headphones. The subject of electronic interference is so questionable it's not even logical.
I can see the safety aspects of stowing phones, tablets, laptops, etc. on take-off and landings and even in violent/turbulent airspace but the majority of time on a cross-country flight is uneventful and if a tablet,
Kindle or Bluetooth headphones cause interference with a plane's flight/navigation systems then they have MUCH bigger problems in safety than ever imagined.
Voice communication is still definitely out of the question as I sure as hell don't want to be cooped up next to some addle-brained idiot yapping on his/her cell phone as well as invading my limited space.

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Re: Interference

The biggest reason that they blanket ban devices that can transmit a signal is lawyers. It is soooooo difficult to cover/close all the loopholes to prevent a sleasy lawyer finding a way to get a payout following an accident that its just easier to perpetuate the myth & rule.

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FCC bans in flight cell use. No rule banning electronics

Just to be clear, the ban on cell phone usage in-air is from the FCC, not the FAA.

»www.rtca.org/onlinecart/product.cfm?id=427

That makes it kind of ironic that the FCC is asking the FAA to ease off the restriction of other electronic devices. More so since the FAA isn't even the one that came up with those rules. The airlines did that on their own. As such those "rules" are arbitrary and have no backing.

»skeptoid.com/episodes/4014

The FAA is seeking comments to try to get the later rules changed though:

»www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/P···2012.pdf
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you know this means

the terrorists have won...

you can use your kindle during takeoff and landing. Just dear god don't try and clip your fingernails.
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Re: you know this means

said by JohnInSJ:

Just dear god don't try and clip your fingernails.

That changed a long time ago. You can use nail clippers on an airplane. That doesn't mean that you should however.

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Re: you know this means

That's one of those sounds I HATE. Nothing is worse than some in the office clipping away at their fingernails or toe nails (I once worked with someone that did that). Personal grooming should be done in privacy not public.
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