 Test99Premium
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San Jose, CA
kudos:1 | Government In Action > the FCC wants to impose a new broadband fee on every broadband connection
Raising the cost of broadband. That will really promote broadband adoption. 
A classic example of Ludwig von Mises' dictum: government not only fails to achieve its objectives, it achieves the opposite. | |
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 |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | Re: Government In Action said by Test99:> the FCC wants to impose a new broadband fee on every broadband connection Raising the cost of broadband. That will really promote broadband adoption. A classic example of Ludwig von Mises' dictum: government not only fails to achieve its objectives, it achieves the opposite. Gov't doing what it does best - sucking money out of the voters to provide jobs to the bureaucratic drones whose 1st task will be to figure out how to get more money from the voters.
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| | The link isn't working Karl,
The link isn't working. Do I need to log in? | |
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| | hmm I Want my 100/50 Connection now | |
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|  Duramax08A Challenger AppearsPremium
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San Antonio, TX | Re: hmm Hell, Ill take the 6/1 im paying for. only getting like 500/100. Also lower ping would be nice.
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 camaro92Question everythingPremium
join:2008-04-05
Westfield, MA
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| All I want to know Is how much this "report" cost me in tax dollars for something that is already known by the people in charge who can make new policy but they don't do a damn thing about,when i can get 5/2 connection for the same price either here where i live in Alaska,Hawaii,or some 1000 acre farm in Kansas ,then maybe we can worry about 100/50 connections for everyone. | |
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| | | Re: All I want to know actually when I lived in Hawaii I had a 11/1 connection for $40/month. Its odd how a small island chain in the pacific ocean has better internet than half the U.S. | |
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| | Broadband "fee"? What they really mean is tax. | |
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| | | Re: Broadband "fee"? Yes, what they mean is tax. Technically I believe they call it a sexy-sounding "Connections" charge. | |
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|  n2jtx
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| Exactly! So the people in the boondocks who we paying the USF fee for can now have subsidized broadband too. Luckily I think that has to go through Congress to get passed so there might be pushback.
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| | | Reminds me of 1773 Boston Tea Party - Taxation without Representation.
Too bad, we just can't through some crates of the internet overboard like they did to prove a point. | |
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| | chimera
join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC | Re: Broadband "fee"? Except we do have representation... unless you live in DC. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Broadband "fee"? Unfortunately it seems that for most that actually have representation, they tend to continue choosing the wrong reps. | |
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| | |  sykocusWatashi Wa Shashin O Toru Ga Suki DesuPremium
join:2002-11-21
Guam, USA | said by chimera:Except we do have representation... unless you live in DC. Or Guam, Puerto Rico and the USVI. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | useless and toothless Without reading it, since this isn't a congressional bill, and the FCC has no authority to act outside delegated authority, this plan is ****ing useless and toothless. | |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | So Another Tax quote:
... for instance while we know the FCC wants to impose a new broadband fee on every broadband connection ...
So that's all this is, yet another tax.
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | A plan wouldn;t be neeed if the telcos who already get plenty of "fees" from us would expand DSL to ALL their customers. For exmaple at&t is the POTS provide for about 90% of my county. Yet less than half of those people actually have DSL. Sorry at&t you can provide ALL your customers with DSL. And no I don't need a lesson in how DSL is "distance limited". Here's an idea, build some more COs then. It's not like the average POTS bill doesn't have a half dozen "fees" and "taxes" and "surcharges" on it. Where is all that money going?
That's the one thing about cable, EVERYONE who has access to Charter cable in my area has access to broadband. The problem is that they only serve about 1/3 of my county, but POTS service is available to 100% so DSL should be too. People in the "boonies" also pay that USF fee just like everyone else. What benefit are they getting? The average POTS subscriber in my area over the last 10 years has paid $750 in USF fees. Are you seriously telling me that $750 PER HOUSEHOLD wasn't enough to expand DSL to these areas? | |
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| | | Re: A plan wouldn;t be neeed if Just wondering, what line of business are you in? | |
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1 edit | said by BF69:the telcos who already get plenty of "fees" from us would expand DSL to ALL their customers. For exmaple at&t is the POTS provide for about 90% of my county. Yet less than half of those people actually have DSL. Sorry at&t you can provide ALL your customers with DSL. And no I don't need a lesson in how DSL is "distance limited". Here's an idea, build some more COs then. It's not like the average POTS bill doesn't have a half dozen "fees" and "taxes" and "surcharges" on it. Where is all that money going? Were do you think all the money for the lobbyist is coming from??  | |
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| | CableCARD and settop gateways I hope this gets implemented but I'm not holding my breath.
Cable operators need to stop playing games with CableCARD and fix the broken crap. The fact that you can rent a STB from them isn't a viable alternative to your own device such as TiVo, media center or even a CableCARD TV.
But like past FCC action in this area I'm not holding my breath. | |
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|  rv65Ban Cat DeclawingPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: CableCARD and settop gateways The FCC says that Cableco's should offer a discount if you want to purchase a retail STB. However, you still have to pay the cablecard fee since thats what handles the encryption. The gateway device looks good. | |
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| | Tax The tax will be going to the incumbents carriers, and as Dave Burstein points out they have no competition and will be under no stress to pass on the money to the poor. They'll just use it to add to their bottom line. This is a depressing plan.
Isn't the USF like several billion a year, with most of it being a complete waste? Why not use that money to build out a nationwide fiber network? | |
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|  syslockPremium
join:2007-02-03
Ann Arbor, MI
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| Re: Tax Note to FCC and the rest of the Fed.
Stop overspending for things that you don't have money for!
We are sick of more and more tax's and fees to make up for your
overspending!
»www.fairtax.org | |
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| | Duramax08A Challenger AppearsPremium
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San Antonio, TX | Re: Tax have fun with that. | |
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Rio Rico, AZ | To be, or not to be. I like how they cite Shakespeare's Henry IV. | |
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | Exhibit 3-D: on pg 19 is full of crap Availability of 4 Mbps-Capable Broadband Networks in the United States by County
If i'm reading that map correctly almost entire nation has access to at least 4 Mbps downloads.
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Magalia, CA
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| Re: most of the nation has 4Mbps Which nation? Not here. I'm at 1.7-2.2Mbps and just barely caught the wifi the signal to get off of 6 years of satellite at .5-.7Mbps. My neighbors can't get away from satellite and many can't afford it and are still on dialup!
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kudos:4 | Re: Exhibit 3-D: on pg 19 is full of crap said by caco:Availability of 4 Mbps-Capable Broadband Networks in the United States by County If i'm reading that map correctly almost entire nation has access to at least 4 Mbps downloads. The map shows 4 mbps or over "BY COUNTY" - not by household. The colors show what % in a county has over 4 mbps internet access. Only about 50% are in the darker blue colors identifying counties with more than 80% covered at that speed or higher.
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 joebarnhartPaxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA | How predictable Government's answer to a perceived problem is... another tax. A tax that will line the pockets of more government bureaucrats while doing nothing for the perceived problem.
If government would live within its means and stop borrowing ALL the available capital, then loans would be available for small innovative internet providers to string up some fiber.
I'm satisfied with my provider, but a h*ll of a lot of my fellow residents would like the same service. In this toxic environment of government overspending, there just isn't any capital left for the private sector.
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cptmilesPremium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN | Voice Service This Plan will be very interesting for voice. What does this do to the Vonages and Magic Jacks of the world not to mention cell phones. If I understand it will essentially take all the taxes off voice and assert it to data. It will lower a landline back down to $10-15 where it should be, but it will raise the Internet thirty or forty bucks (including all the fees and taxes). And don't forget that Internet is not currently subject to sales tax (at least in Indiana). That will end.
Also, what about the long distance carriers. Since this plan essentially ends origination and termination compensation to local carriers the long distance carriers' only cost will be its own network. There won't be any need for equal access anymore.
Personally I think a better approach would have been to set the guidelines for service and allowed rural areas to go back to regulated monopolies, while letting the FCC continue their fantasy of competition in the cities otherwise known as a duopoly.
I also think carrier of last resort status should be revoked. If the current provider can't or won't upgrade a rural area to meet the specs they must help transition the area to a co-op or sell it to another company at a price that doesn't hinder the new company from making the proper investments. Again, using the monopoly philosophy.
I know a lot of people think the word monopoly is bad, but in the telco world the only way a bank will lend money is if a monopoly was put back in place. | |
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cacoPremium
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1 edit |  Plan proves that government
Plan does nothing to address competition and high prices.
Reading Chapter 9 almost made my head explode. They focus on groups that don't want or can't afford broadband and forget about the folks that want and can afford broadband but just can't get access.
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San Antonio, TX | Re: Plan proves that government Cant fix everything the first time around. | |
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Re: Plan proves that government said by Duramax08:Cant fix everything the first time around. ... ummmm.. but the problem IS that people want and CAN'T get it like he said... and that's a serious issue in this country.. there are too many black holes that need to be filled in...
Here in the Twin Cities, there is a city called Elk River.. it's not small by far compared to many other cities.. however, there are WAY too many black holes for service there.. and it's not like it's completely in the middle of no-where either...
You say that they can't fix everything the first time around.. the problem is, with what it states, it reads very clearly that they're not trying to address THE issues.. more so, they're, as MAR_03 said, keeping people beholden on the government - earns votes.
Some of what has not been said doesn't address some serious issues. I'm wondering if the same people that wrote the health care bill that was rushed through also wrote this... they simply need to get in touch with reality, the real world, and get this right... I don't think this is ready to be considered just yet.
But.. your statement on it's own merit - yes, you're correct.. they won't get everything the first time around... but they should come dang close to it.. they won't address this again for quite some time. | |
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San Antonio, TX | Re: Plan proves that government just got to wait and see what happens from here. Hopefully it helps some or alot of people out. Its going to be a bumpy ride.
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kudos:4 | said by caco: They focus on groups that doen't want or can't afford broadband and forget about the folks that want and can afford broadband but just can't get access. That is what is know as expanding the "Welfare Society". Gov't in Washington like nothing better than a bunch of voters beholden to them for everything in life.
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| |  TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | Re: Plan proves that government said by Romney2012:said by caco: They focus on groups that doen't want or can't afford broadband and forget about the folks that want and can afford broadband but just can't get access. That is what is know as expanding the "Welfare Society". Gov't in Washington like nothing better than a bunch of voters beholden to them for everything in life. Americans are pussies in the 21st century.
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kudos:4 |  Genachowski announces plan on YouTube
FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski unveils the country's first National Broadband Plan. The plan sets an ambitious agenda for connecting all corners of the nation while transforming the economy and society with the communications network of the future --robust, affordable Internet.
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kudos:1 | Re: Genachowski announces plan on YouTube I love how he finishes this video with "I urge everyone to get engaged".
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This will make you appreciate wall st. »www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=···tentBody
The reason you need to know this is Wall St. and Wall St. tactic move cos like Verizon and ATT. Not consumers.
At some point we need to realize that broadband is just as important as electricity or rail roads and needs some regulation. we will never agree on how best to accomplish that. that battle has been raging since the 1930's. But we cannot ignore the elephant in the room any more. | |
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join:1999-12-20
Arlington, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
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| Translation: The Plan = Grab Your Wallet Government can influence the broadband ecosystem in four ways:
1. Design policies [more taxes] to ensure [by taxation and penalties] robust competition and, as a result maximize consumer welfare [taxes], innovation [taxes] and investment [taxes].
2. Ensure [by taxation and penalties] efficient allocation and management of assets government controls or influences, such as spectrum, poles, and rights-of-way, to encourage network upgrades and competitive entry.
3. Reform current universal service mechanisms to support deployment of broadband and voice in high-cost areas; and ensure that low-income Americans can afford broadband [subsidized by your tax dollars]; and in addition, support efforts to boost adoption and utilization.
4. Reform laws [which maximize taxation], policies [that penalize], standards [under penalty of law] and incentives [subsidies] to maximize [through taxation and penalties] the benefits of broadband in sectors government influences significantly, such as public education, health care [General Electric will get the nod] and government operations [more intrusion].
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NYC Metro | FCC = Shit (as usual)
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