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Coloma, MI | Get the hell out of cable's way! I've had broadband for the last three years, thanks to Comcast CABLE! Why would Ma Bell Martin want to punish an industry that is actually deploying real broadband?
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! What punishment? Oh yeah, that's right, consumers having choice in what channels they purchase is punishment. My violin is playing for the poor oppressed cable companies. | |
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Coloma, MI | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! said by DotMac4:What punishment? Oh yeah, that's right, consumers having choice in what channels they purchase is punishment.
Will Kevin "Ma Bell" Martin be forcing "a la carte" on his fair-haired telco friends?
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2 edits | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! I guess you were asleep when the FCC mandated DSL line sharing while cable HSI was left alone. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! So you're suggesting that TelcoTV shouldn't need to following potential à la carte regulation if Cablecos are forced into such an arrangement? FWIW, I don't believe telcos should have been forced into line sharing, and I'm missing the advantage of regulating cablecos...unless you're going to cap the cost of my monthly cable bill. | |
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1 edit | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! No, any video services regulated by the FCC including any telco video services should be subject to the same rules including ownership limits, line sharing requirements, cablecard (which Verizon got a BS exemption for) and a la carte.
And line sharing obviously benefitted customers. You only need to see DSLR reviews of incumbents vs the indys to see that is the case. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! IMO, video services are already too regulated. I do agree though that any video service regulation should be applied evenly across all video providers. | |
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1 edit | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! They aren't regulated enough, resulting in constant increases, sometimes twice a year at a rate 3X inflation all while customer service gets worse. | |
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Especially with that going on in Ohio where the gov't is trying to make all cable companies carry all channels that the people want other wise face fines or what ever just over the Big10 and NFL Networks. | |
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2 edits | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! Bull. They could say no. Apple manages to say no to RIAA membership demands for increases and as a result music is still a buck a song, more and more are DRM free and songs are sold a la carte. Any labels that don't like it can walk and some do...or try to anyway.
The result is Apple is now the #3 music seller behind Wal*Mart which does the exact same thing and Best Buy, this despite competition from all the other music e-distributors.
Cable could run endless propaganda against ABC just like they do against Net Neutrality (the "scheme of Silicon Valley Fat Cats"). But they don't cause they get a healthy cut of all these filler channels and laugh all the way to the bank with these price increases. | |
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You can't just drop channels and except people to stay with you though. Your business would be losing a ton of customers in a day!
WM doesnt give a damn about what others think about what they're doing. They've been low balling everyone since the Walton's sons and their kids have been taking over and everyone else. Wal-mart is just one big evil company that does what WM wants.
Apply may say no to their demands but i wouldnt count on them after a while. Also WM only sells the "clean" songs. Anything thats un-edited WM refuses to sell. Their CDs are also had at under $5each and then they mark it up just enough to turn profit- thats how they low ball everyone else but thats another story (if you want research the Walmart history).
But like i said - say no about offering a channel and have the damn public go running to the damn gov't " i want such and such channels and my cable provider won't offer it to me" Govt: okay; we'll make an new law that says they have to carry it no matter what"
Problem solved. Who wins nobody. The cable company still hears people bitching about the price, people bitching cause they don't want the channel and have to pay for it, and the customers bitching cause after they wanted and got the channel their bill want up X amount.
Either way you lose with the Content providers. Don't like it don't watch cable tv. | |
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1 edit | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! said by hottboiinnc:and you know they get healthy price cuts? Look at their margins and you'll see the answer is a resounding yes.
And Wal*Mart is evil by offering very low prices for it's customers? Wow, all stores should be so evil. And being evil seems to work for both Wal*Mart and their customers as they continue to be the #1 retailer overall and #1 in music sales. The fact is Wal*Mart dictates the terms and leaves manufacturers with take it or leave it choices rather than just hitting customers with price hike after price hike. The cable and DBS industry, should they choose to, could be equally powerful and dictate terms to the channel extortionists at ABC and others. But thanks to their government granted video oligopoly they don't have to and rather throttle customers twice a year with massive price hikes.
If you're a philanthropist and want to give away money hand over fist to the Brian Roberts retirement fund that is your choice. But don't expect all customers to be so generous. | |
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After having a 3rd party DSL capability added to a phone line, there was no way to switch to another 3rd party or even back to MaBell. Why? No one but the original 3rd party could REMOVE the DSL tie-in which they were not required to complete in any time frame. | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! Hmmm...I managed to switch DSL providers from Verizon to DSL Extreme to Surf City Networks...all without any issues.
DSL line sharing works just fine as evidenced by the extremely high ratings of indy DSL providers like DSLx and Sonic. | |
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Coloma, MI | said by DotMac4:I guess you were asleep when the FCC mandated DSL line sharing while cable HSI was left alone. The telco networks were government subsidised.
The cable networks were built with private funds.
Get it?
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to finish my nap!
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4 edits | Re: Get the hell out of cable's way! I'm sorry, I guess you were asleep for the TCA1996 as well. In exchange for their share of the wireline oligopoly, cable is subject to FCC oversight.
Whether telcos got some tax breaks, or cable for 20 years had the exclusive right to tear up every street and yard in America, both are subject to regulation.
Now after many years of fleecing customers with massive price increases, telcos and cable operators should be forced to offer customers choice in the channels they purchase.
As cable grew in market share so has their abuse of their customers. Now their arrogance has expanded to interfering with customer's use of their HSI services. But I have no doubt that the telcos will do the same. As young as Verizon FiOS is, they're already starting with the massive price increases in both hardware and programming after telling everyone that they would bring price competition to the industry and stealing a billion dollars from Pennsylvania taxpayers.
These take it or leave it policies leave customers like me with no other choice than to cancel when I would be plenty content to spend money...just not $80/mo for the 6 channels I felt are worth paying for. | |
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1 edit | Re: Get the hell out of FIOS way! said by extreme50:I've had broadband for the last three years, thanks to Comcast CABLE! Why would Ma Bell Martin want to punish an industry that is actually deploying real broadband? 3 years@!, omg and the rest of the WORLD has had broadband for 10 years ...
Its not punishment to restrain a rabid dog. | |
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Coloma, MI | Re: Get the hell out of FIOS way! said by gaforces:3 years@!, omg and the rest of the WORLD has had broadband for 10 years ... Its not punishment to restrain a rabid dog. You're missing the point.
Comcast HSI has been up and running at my address for three years. AT&T DSL is still not available.
If the FCC truly wants to promote broadband, shouldn't they give cable a break and phuck with the slackers at AT&T?
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Get the hell out of FIOS way! No because Comcast is taking broadband promotion backwards with secret usage caps and extensive traffic shaping they denied doing until the AP caught them.
When AT&T starts canceling customers for excessive use while refusing to define what "excessive" means or starts traffic shaping while lying to customers saying they aren't...absolutely.
But AT&T is getting a good start following Comcast's lead with their 60% price increase on dial up services. | |
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Santa Cruz, CA | said by extreme50:said by gaforces:3 years@!, omg and the rest of the WORLD has had broadband for 10 years ... Its not punishment to restrain a rabid dog. You're missing the point. Comcast HSI has been up and running at my address for three years. AT&T DSL is still not available. If the FCC truly wants to promote broadband, shouldn't they give cable a break and phuck with the slackers at AT&T? They should mess with both of them till the desired speed and penetration are realized. Cable will be fine once docsis3 comes. Adsl2+, fios, and wireless broadband all together with cable, in harmony  rofl
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Comcast moved fast to block Verizon's Television service in PA, and even involved the FCC. Turnabout is fair play in my opinion. | |
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Glendale, AZ | This Guy Sure Hates Cablecos! What happened? Did some cable guy step on his tulips while installing cable TV? Martin seems to be way out of balance between dealing with the telcos, which he gives whatever they want, and cablecos. He a young guy and I guess he is lining up his next job with ATT&T or Verizon.
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Cheyenne, WY | Moola Monday fellow commissioners from both parties are complaining that Martin is rushing them to decide and vote on the issue before they've had adequate time to explore the numbers. This is the operative sentence. Numbers = Money...in the pockets.
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1 edit | Re: Moola Monday said by Transmaster:fellow commissioners from both parties are complaining that Martin is rushing them to decide and vote on the issue before they've had adequate time to explore the numbers. This is the operative sentence. Numbers = Money...in the pockets. Putting that part in the article is a big hint (for cable co's) that they need more time to collect contributions.
If they were doing thier jobs, they would already know the numbers information
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kudos:2 | Re: Nice to see... If the rate hikes from cable are going to the politicians, then where are the FiOS TV hikes going?  | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Nice to see... The only lobby more corrupt than NCTA is the telco lobby. They've been doing it much longer and really honed their bribery skills. | |
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kudos:4 |  Cable industry doesn't meet 70/70 rule anyway
Wall Street cable analyst Craig Moffett told a Federal Communications Commission official last week that it was not “mathematically possible” that cable penetration of U.S. households is 70% or higher.
Moffett, a cable analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., provided his analysis in a Nov. 21 letter to FCC Democrat Jonathan Adelstein. Adelstein became the third FCC member to seek an outside data after FCC chairman Kevin Martin infuriated the cable establishment by declaring that cable TV operators had breached the 70% barrier, triggering a legal provision that gives the FCC expansive new powers to regulate cable.
After looking at the total number of cable subscribers and the total number of homes passed by all cable companies, and after adjusting to exclude vacant households, Moffett determined that cable penetration was no higher than 60.5%.
“We do not believe that is mathematically possible … to arrive at cable adoption rates materially in excess of 60%,” Moffett told Adelstein. When it appears Martin won't win a vote, like it appears this time, he pulls the vote from the agenda for the meeting. I'm betting this won't be voted on tomorrow.
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2 edits | Other things we need regulated first Edit: [partial sarcasm warning]
Cell Phones - I should not be walled gardened into Verizon's user interface. Why can't I load my own ring tones? Why can't I stream my own video? Why isn't this important to the FCC?
Internet Search - Search is the starting block of the Internet. There is now a "Microsoft Monopoly" on search by Google allowing them to place their customers first in the list. We need Search Neutrality.
»www.google.com/search?&q=%22sear···ality%22
Universal Theme Park "Express Pass" - this is obviously a clear violation of "line neutrality". For those who want to pay more, they get to cut in line. Unfair!!
Microsoft - enough said
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| | | Re: Other things we need regulated first said by telcolackey5:Cell Phones - I should not be walled gardened into Verizon's user interface. Why can't I load my own ring tones? Why can't I stream my own video? Why isn't this important to the FCC? Those issues are probably better addressed by the FTC and not the FCC. | |
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Death Valley, CA | Re: Other things we need regulated first Maybe it is time to merge the FTC and the FCC. The government should spend time addressing that merger and all the tax savings and efficiencies we would get from it. | |
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4 edits | The FCC FOUGHT cable regulation before! in 2005, there was a suit trying to force cable operators to share their lines with Independents ISPs. It went all the way to the Supreme Court. The FCC fought it all the way...
Here's some info:
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Cable companies, however, denied they have any incentive to control what their customers can access on the Internet.
"There is no problem today -- the customer can go anywhere they want on the Web," said Kyle E. McSlarrow, president and chief executive of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association
REALLY? So Sandvine DOESN'T stop me from accessing protocols on the Internet I want?
Lying sack of SH*T!
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| | FCC Votes Tuesday on Cable Regulation This is my first post here. I look at this as a way to make sure the teleco.'s have a chance to catch up with the cable co.'s. Yes, FIOS is amazing, but only a fraction of American's can or will be able to get it anytime soon. I do not think this will be voted on tomorrow due to it being pulled. that will accomplish the desired result for the telco.'s. the cable industry does not have the massive rebuild exspence ahead of them that the telco.'s have. the mention of regulation is enough to make them set stag net on the markets they have for years out of the fear of regulation. the only place cable has to go now is to build out their networks. the telco.'s i don't think want to have to compete in any market they are not already in. if the cable co.s built out their networks the teleco.'s would lose to much phone business. i just can't help but see all of this as a way to let the teleco.'s catch up. everyone, except the small fraction of people who are and will get FIOS will be stuck with what they have for a long time to come, because the cable co.'s can not compete for fear of being regulated. ok let the flames fly, i am sure i am a nut. | |
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Burlington, MA | Re: FCC Votes Tuesday on Cable Regulation If that were true, then Martin would include expectations placed on FIOS in return for this protection the government is providing to it. For example, they wouldn't be allowed to cherry-pick which homes in each town they're willing to offer service too, as they are currently allowed to. | |
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| | | | Re: FCC Votes Tuesday on Cable Regulation said by bicker:If that were true, then Martin would include expectations placed on FIOS in return for this protection the government is providing to it. For example, they wouldn't be allowed to cherry-pick which homes in each town they're willing to offer service too, as they are currently allowed to. This is funny. In my state the cable company's flat out tell customers your too far off the road you don't get service. In those areas people are left without any tv or broadband service.
Just because its faster to run fiber to some homes then others does'nt mean they wont all get it eventually. If it was your money paying for all that infrastructure would you want to get as many customers serviced as fast as possible? Or would you want to spend 3 times a much to service a couple people.
The telco's get phone service to everyone possible. I'm sure they will get fiber out to us in the county sooner or later, unlike the cable co. that flat out told us they wont give us service. | |
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Above input triggered actual synapse movement in my mind...or it could've just been an itch caused by this unyielding debate over who is "at fault" amongst a group who are ALL "at fault" if you think outside the box once in a while. Most of these 'supposed' leaders don't deserve to be trusted as men of character, as their malintentious behavior so often shows. They piss in the wind and tell us it's raining! A respected people should not be sold something they can't swallow and then be forced to choke on it because the world has conditioned this acceptance. Humans have the gift of individual thought and sense of right and wrong. This is what should be natural, but most people don't possess the strength of those individuals that have no fear of their beliefs and actions, even if he is alone in this. This is because these are the traits of good intentioned leaders that should be unconditional...
What disgusts me is the fleecing of America and the agenda driven, psychopathic power hunger that exists in our elected officials voted to SERVE, not the puppets who rise just to SELFSERVE!
As the human race advances, our FREEDOMS should be held with responsibility by us to assure they are maintained and respected.....SO, why the hell do adults need Government to control US companies so we don't get a bad TV DEAL???...Americans haved died in protection of what is right and we're now so mindless and weak, we need our taxes to make sure they cover our luxury issues?? Grow up and make a capitalist decision for yourself!! Don't buy TV if you want to send companies the message...Go to another country with socialist or even communist practices if you can't take care of yourself!! And any US loving citizen who believes that elected officials are considered the TRUSTED ones by default is blind to so much more I'm sure.....Common sense is not so common...Most decision-making isn't complicated beyond doing what is the "right" thing to do. "We need more regulation" by the "ones voted in"???..............have them regulate what you should be allowed to watch on the cable and what hours too, OK?...and the "ones voted in" are only a small pool that get offered to us based on a system that can't seem to make fair, usually only 2 cheating parties worried about losing their alledged "trusted" power ...so how can they rule over others? can rule over themselves?? can't balance a checkbook they spent but WE have to, right?....USA LOVER...someone else come over here and hold this soapbox down for me, OK?.......THX | |
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