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FCC Wants More T-Mobile LTE Data From AT&T
Still Poking Around AT&T's Justifications For Deal
by Karl Bode 09:29AM Thursday Aug 25 2011
According to Amy Schatz at the Wall Street Journal, the FCC has requested more data on AT&T's planned $39 billion acquisition of T-Mobile. The agency is specifically seeking more data on specifically why AT&T wants to acquire the company, as the FCC weighs the benefits versus anti-competitive drawbacks of the deal. AT&T's primary justification for the deal is they'd be unable to meet Verizon's 97% LTE coverage without it. However, that argument that was accidentally demolished recently by leaked documents showing AT&T has plenty of resources to accomplish this goal, they simply didn't want to pay the additional $3.8 billion (a figure that would be even less post T-Mobile deal). Schatz implies AT&T's recent error is the reason for this latest FCC request:

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Earlier this month, AT&T sent a letter to the FCC about the merger, intending to protect sections of confidential data from the publicly available version. Lawyers accidentally filed an unredacted copy, which was available briefly on the FCC's website before it was removed at AT&T's request. The full version says that AT&T had considered and rejected plans to expand the network on its own to 97% of the U.S. at a cost of $3.8 billion. That's about a tenth of the cost of the proposed T-Mobile acquisition.
AT&T's other justifications for the deals include added jobs and lower prices, arguments that also appear untrue upon closer inspection. AT&T tells the Journal the request for new data is simply routine. The FCC may be conducting a bit of a public show in response to the leak. The agency already had this data since the leaked letter was documenting a meeting that already took place at the agency; the document was redacted simply to obscure this data from general public view.

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RichNice

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All right there's nothing to see here!!!


pnh102
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No One Is Buying This

Who is the FCC trying to fool here? We all know this merger is a done deal and the FCC in the end will just rubber-stamp it just like they did with just about all of the previous mega-mergers in this sector.
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Kommie
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Re: No One Is Buying This

Dish and Direct TV were not able to merge. Two DBS Carriers and the same precedence should be set for the last two GSM Carriers.

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Re: No One Is Buying This

said by Kommie:

Dish and Direct TV were not able to merge. Two DBS Carriers and the same precedence should be set for the last two GSM Carriers.

The FCC did rubber-stamp the merger of AT&T and Cingular, both were GSM carriers.
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vpoko
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Re: No One Is Buying This

With the exception of the Pacific Bell market, Cingular was TDMA.

kamm

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Re: No One Is Buying This

Nonsense, the entire Northeast was running on GSM Cingular.
pcme2000

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Cingular was just a break off part of AT&T to begin with.
hottboiinnc
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Re: No One Is Buying This

no it wasn't. Cingular was not part of the orgin. ATT. Cingular was the works of SBC. It was PacBell Mobility, BS Mobility, Ameritech Mobile/Mobility and others that are now part of the actual ATT brand of companies for landline service. They combined them all to create one company with one network. SBC's and Bell South's network.

Karl Bode
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Neither had the political influence of AT&T, and neither were grafted to our domestic and international surveillance efforts....

I guess it's possible it could be rejected, but I just don't see it.
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Why does GSM matter? Mobile competition is more relevant and that remains. Yes, it diminishes, but that's a given during consolidation.

JasonOD

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Re: No One Is Buying This

Agreed. Both companies clearly want this so that's all that should matter. Last I checked, people still have a choice as to who they get wireless service from, so let the marketplace punish AT&T if they slip up after the merger goes through.
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Re: No One Is Buying This

said by JasonOD :

Agreed. Both companies clearly want this so that's all that should matter. Last I checked, people still have a choice as to who they get wireless service from, so let the marketplace punish AT&T if they slip up after the merger goes through.

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

Yes, let's let the "market", controlled almost entirely by 2 companies after the merger, "punish" AT&T if they slip up. Are you trying to be sarcastic?

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Jason ( both companies want this).. not fully correct.....

ATT wants this so bad there willing to throw there own grandmother from a speeding train.

Tmobile just wants out at any reasonable price and would have gladly taken Googles $12.5 billion instead of google purchasing Motorola, or waiting for vodaphone to dump its shares of Verizon to make an offer for tmobile, however ATT jumped in with men in black suits and briefcases full of money more than needed to make sure no one else could compete!

kamm

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Re: No One Is Buying This

Actually Sprint was readying to buy out Deutsche telekom and take over T-Mobile - and I, for one, would have welcomed that if Zee Germans wanted to get out.

kamm

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Last I have checked they are both using public airwaves so both companies should SHUT THE FUCK UP about "the market" and so should every bum who keeps repeating this uneducated BS only white trash in the sticks believe anymore.

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I like to buy phone from Europe and bring it here and vice versa. I had a choice of carriers, now there will be none
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openbox9
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Re: No One Is Buying This

You'll have one choice in the states and x choices in Europe.

fifty nine

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said by Tomek:

I like to buy phone from Europe and bring it here and vice versa. I had a choice of carriers, now there will be none

Wrong.

There are over 180 carriers in the United States alone.

Many of them are regional, some are MVNO but there are still plenty of choices.

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Re: No One Is Buying This

said by fifty nine:

said by Tomek:

I like to buy phone from Europe and bring it here and vice versa. I had a choice of carriers, now there will be none

Wrong.

There are over 180 carriers in the United States alone.

Many of them are regional, some are MVNO but there are still plenty of choices.

I have ATT and Tmobile in my region
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How many of them are GSM ?

And how many of them do not piggy back on the big four ?
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If you have to ask this question, then there's not much reason for you to post on this topic.
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Re: No One Is Buying This

What kind of response is that? It seems that if I need to ask the question then this is the perfect topic to post in.
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said by openbox9:

What kind of response is that? It seems that if I need to ask the question then this is the perfect topic to post in.

No, it means that you don't understand the issues at all and you should be reading and learning rather than posting silliness.

Edit: You in fact said it a post up. "You'll have one choice in the states."
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Re: No One Is Buying This

said by Badonkadonk:

Edit: You in fact said it a post up. "You'll have one choice in the states."

For GSM. How many other carriers are available to choose from? Besides, the world is moving to LTE which may not be interoperable anyway.

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Re: No One Is Buying This

openbox9 not all of the world is moving to LTE as soon as you may be expecting. GSM is a worldwide standard used much more than CDMA and probably wont be phased out for a decade or 2 at-least.I definitely dont want to see ATT hold GSM hostage for that long in the USA. Also as you may know LTE on different networks such as ATT and Verizon reportedly wont play nicely at all, and noone is sure about overseas use. Expect that phones of the future in most areas might Be dual GSM/LTE or CDMA/LTE ( in the USA) for some time to come. Just like wired Internet access DSL in the USA, there are better & much faster option (Fiber & cable) and has been for a while, but don't expect ATT to bring you FTTH any time soon, think of GSM the same way.

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said by openbox9:

Why does GSM matter? Mobile competition is more relevant and that remains. Yes, it diminishes, but that's a given during consolidation.

The real question is whether the harm caused by diminished competition is worth any benefit gained by the merger. As of yet, very few real benefits have been put forward, other than that AT&T would benefit from the reduced competition in being able to push higher prices.
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Re: No One Is Buying This

I agree. GSM or not is mostly irrelevant IMO.

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said by Happy Anarch :

said by openbox9:

Why does GSM matter? Mobile competition is more relevant and that remains. Yes, it diminishes, but that's a given during consolidation.

The real question is whether the harm caused by diminished competition is worth any benefit gained by the merger. As of yet, very few real benefits have been put forward, other than that AT&T would benefit from the reduced competition in being able to push higher prices.

The only real benefit here will be with consolidation of national intelligence gathering. With fewer players nationally, the government will have an easier time coordinating their efforts and resources.

For everything else, the deal is a very, very bad idea...
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Re: No One Is Buying This

Unless you're a shareholder or other interested party. Posters here need to disclose what kind of financial interests they have in these companies. There's so little for the average person to gain through this merger that it calls into question the impartiality of certain posters.

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Agreed..
notable to mention Im an ATT DSL user who's against the merger, I use T-mobile for cellular use, heck right now Im typing this tethering my HP elitebook to my dual core G2X phone ( for free) and have used over 3.5 GB of data this month this way ( no overage) and have never paid over $50 a month to Tmobile lets see ATT match that! Tmobile is not the greatest but in a war I chose the lesser of 2 evils.

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said by Badonkadonk:

Unless you're a shareholder or other interested party. Posters here need to disclose what kind of financial interests they have in these companies. There's so little for the average person to gain through this merger that it calls into question the impartiality of certain posters.

I agree with you and also say that these same posters should consider the long term implications of our nation's historical swings and counter-swings politically. Where one day industry consolidation is encouraged and later when that same monopoly/duopoly is then cut up in response to the market stagnation such entities inevitably introduce. As soon as it becomes politically convenient, the monster they are trying to create now will be broken up again to start the whole idiotic process anew.

When the inevitable happens, how many of them will see their investments crumble or, in a worst case scenario, be made the scapegoats for the failure of the industry as a whole? Change is coming around soon and it will be painful for many...
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said by openbox9:

Why does GSM matter? Mobile competition is more relevant and that remains. Yes, it diminishes, but that's a given during consolidation.

Competition doesn't remain. 1 or 2 nationwide competitors is not "competition". It's an oligopoly.
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Re: No One Is Buying This

Then you don't have competition now. I'm not disputing the level of competition.

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said by openbox9:

Why does GSM matter? Mobile competition is more relevant and that remains. Yes, it diminishes, but that's a given during consolidation.

Its the technology. GSM is a signal the world uses. We will have one GSM Carrier which will impede innovation in the USA.

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hottboiinnc
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and these are NOT the last 2 GSM carriers. Cinci Bell operates a GSM network and so does I-Wireless. They are a partner of TMO's but only outside of their core coverage area. There is also a GSM network in northern Michigan- near Traverse City.

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They did rubber stamp Sirius and XM merging though. Soon after, they increased fees, increased pricing on secondary subs and internet listening. Come January, SiriusXM will be raising prices.

Put aside all of the other mumbo jumbo, does anyone really think purchasing TMobile will help coverage in rural areas? TMOB doesn't cover rural areas worth a terd now. That won't change ever.

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said by pnh102:

Who is the FCC trying to fool here?

The people who pay their salaries. If they do not at least appear to be doing something, it becomes hard to justify receiving a paycheck.
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AT&T Job Board

Position: Director of something.

Qualifications: Must have experience as a FCC member that has given the green light for a large merger in an industry already operating in an oligopoly. Ability to fabricate weak, unenforced regulations for said industry a plus.

We can structure your salary so that you hardly get taxed at all, with most of your "earnings" coming in the form of benefits and compensation perks. Taxes are for chumps, am I right?

Please send your resume to us soon, and we promise to destroy any video that might have been created showing you in a hotel room with a hooker.

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Re: AT&T Job Board

I think I saw that posted on the ATT job board... LOL

Don't forget the Benefit package plus... "We'll clear all your criminal records for the last 10 yrs and you will be immune from any prosecution for the remained of your career with us."

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When?

So when is the Ministry of Communications going to split them up again?
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I find it

Funny that my friend while in Kuwait was able to purchase a phone and choose from many providers and even able to simply swap providers with a simple matter of swapping out the sim card from one phone to the other... But here in the free country we are usually nailed down when it comes to phone/providers..

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Re: I find it

said by decifal:

Funny that my friend while in Kuwait was able to purchase a phone and choose from many providers and even able to simply swap providers with a simple matter of swapping out the sim card from one phone to the other... But here in the free country we are usually nailed down when it comes to phone/providers..

Exactly. Folks, this is why GSM matters.

Disclaimer: I am a customer of T-Mobile and I do not own stock in either company. Much of this is my opinion (and apparently many others if the current debate is any indication).

If I was a customer of a carrier that used CDMA (Sprint, VZ, Boost, etc), I would not have this ability. If I wanted a new phone, I would be forced to choose from the limited selection the carrier offers as customer service will not 'activate' a phone that they did not sell me (I'd love to be proved wrong on this), not to mention the much more limited selection of CDMA phones available world wide.

With my current account with T-Mobile, I have the ability to buy any unlocked GSM phone I want (from whoever I want), insert the SIM card, and have it work for voice and EDGE data connections (yes, it's not 3G, but that is a fault of the relatively obscure frequency band that TMo got stuck with in the USA or me not paying attention to the bands the phone supports).

Yes, one can do the same with AT&T, but I can not get anything close to my current plan with TMo (unlimited data FTW, no overage charges) at anything close to the same price point.

Innovation, you say, won't be impacted? I'm afraid you are wrong. Let me present you with an example. HTC, you know that company, right?

One of their original phones had two versions code named Blue Angel (GSM version) and Harrier (CDMA version). The BA has been updated time and time again by various hobbyist developers across the world to run newer and newer versions of Windows Mobile, up to WinMo 6.5 (currently, there is a project going to make an Android port as well). This was possible becasue later phones from HTC used GSM and the software on them were able to be ported to the BA due to similar hardware designs.

The Harrier? It's still stuck with WinMo 2003. Why? Because there isn't any CDMA phones out there with similar hardware, making the CDMA only Harrier a dead end.

That is an example of innovation, my friends, something that will be either severely hampered or all but eliminated in the USA if AT&T becomes the only GSM provider in the USA. AT&T has a lively history of doing everything it can to limit it's customers choice and force them to pay more and more to actually make use of the capabilities of their phone.

AT&T buying TMo is a loosing situation for the consumer, full stop, as well as many smaller providers that currently lease signals from TMo.
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