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Wakulla, FL | The edge? This will definately give DTV an edge over the terrestrial based providers. Communistcast can suck my... nevermind.
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Lincoln, NE | Re: The edge? Does this mean that cable TV providers will actually have to offer *gasp* competitive pricing? Dear lord! | |
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Nine Mile Falls, WA | this is the kind of thought process one can expect from people who think starband is an acceptable way of accessing the web. if i were to pay porsche prices for an isp i'd want to cruise a bit faster than a 1965 beetle. | |
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1 edit | Just goes to show... Corporate protests to mergers don't mean anything. Murdoch boo hooed over the DN DTV merger...and we knew then why. He wanted DTV. But all providers have an unfair advantage...just like Comcast squeezing TechTV as they try to buy it and increase viewship of their own G4 network. Fox already has a long history of screwing over distributors...even their own partners(as was the case with the X-Files sale to FX).
This purchase wouldn't be a problem if programmers were put in check for their price gouging. More providers like Comcast and Cox need to just say no to these insane programmers and their 50% yearly increases. Put ESPN and Fox Movie Channel on their own tiers. Drop Fox Sports from their line ups. DTV viewship is a drop in the bucket compared to giants like Comcast, Cox and Time Warner. Dish Network plays hardball with these programmers which is why they haven't had significant price increases.
Let Murdoch reap going from 50 million viewers to 6 should he try and turn the screws on competitors.
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| | | Re: Just goes to show... I'm grabbing the popcorn and watching the whole thing go down.
Now say it with me boys and girls, can you say "re-regulation?" I knew you could.
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1 edit | here in las Vegas Cox is running radio/tv ads againest ESPN personally i have DTV and for their best package i pay $85 a mo. that's with TIVO and evey movie channel and NFL Sunday ticket! same package excluding NFL because Cox can't offer it I would be paying $155 a mo! without a cable modem..... I have sprint DSL..... now for the same programing and a DVR I'm paying $70 a mo less... these prices are not inflated my neighbor has almost same as me with cox but no DVR or NFL and pays 70 more... something just don't seem right. Cable makes a claim you have to pay for local channels, you do $5 a mo and they are 100% digital not like cable. People wake up will you! your paying $70 more a month for you stupid digital cable!
P.S. Cox also charges .22cents per remote per month!!!
as far as I'm concerned i hope they drop espn so more people come to DTV and save some money. | |
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3 edits | Re: Just goes to show... They also have a website »www.makethemplayfair.com/
Cox doesn't charge $155 for their top tier. It's about $90 (exp basic $29+$11.95 for top tier digital and another $30 for all their premiums...then add on for extra boxes and franchise fees). While total choice premier with locals from DirecTV is $88.00 and NFLST is another $14/mo plus $5 for each additional receiver. So no, you aren't getting DTV's top tier and NFL ST for $85/mo. And yeah, you pay .22 for the remote with Cox but only $3.95 for the digital converter...cheaper than DTV's or DN's $5 per box access fee. Cox does have a per outlet charge (a splitter rental) if you don't use your own splitters and with DTV you have to buy your equipment (unless you want junk then you can get a free deal) but it's an expensive proposition if you want 2 HDTV converters like I have from Comcast. Plus if anything breaks...they fix it...unlike DBS. Outta warranty, outta luck.
Cox LV also offers HDTV locals...not available with DirecTV. So while DirecTV may be cool in some ways (DirecTiVo, NFLST) they aren't in others (no HD locals, no VoD).
As for 100% digital, that doesn't mean anything. Digital is all about compression. When I had DN they cranked up the compression so much my locals were unwatchable. As much as I hate Comcast's pricing...my analog locals are far superior in image quality compared to my neighbor's DTV locals and of course my HDTV locals flat smoke DTV locals.
DBS isn't the end all be all...not yet anyway. As soon as DBS offers HD locals and reasonably priced HD converters I'm gone...but as for now...I'm not dropping $1200 just to get 2 HDTV converters to get all of a 1/2 dozen HD channels.
It's not like I don't want to either. I'm sick of Comcast's price increases and I just got Verizon DSL for $30/mo so I don't need Comcast HSI. But after pricing DTV for what I need (2 HD boxes with firewire for DVHS recording and 1 regular DTV box, plus install and programming)...I would pay paying FAR more with DTV than I am with Comcast...and would be getting less programming (that I watch) than I'm currently getting. So I'm stuck.
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Nine Mile Falls, WA | care for some cheese with your whine? and the local channels you get from dtv are analog signals digitally compressed you uninformed being. | |
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Evergreen, CO | The monopoly is over and it isn't coming back! The cable industry needs to get over and on with it.
Cable isn't the only game in town any longer that has insestuous relationships with the content providers.
The monopoly days are over, time to compete!
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3 edits | Re: The monopoly is over and it isn't coming back! What cable company has an insestuous relationship with Fox? Cox LOL? The cable providers have been at war with Fox, ESPN ,ABC and others forever. When I had DN...it seems that's what all the Charlie Chats were about...DN fighting content providers over their insane price increases. You think it would be good for consumers for say Comcast or Cox to buy HBO and be able to charge their own customers one price while raping DTV customers? I certainly don't think so but that's exactly what can happen with the Fox takeover of DTV. And we all know that arbitration isn't going to keep it from happening.
IMHO, mixing content production with distrubtion by the same company is bad for consumers.
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1 edit | Re: The monopoly is over and it isn't coming back! Murdock is just doing the same thing that the cable companies have been doing for years.
For example, Comcast owns the Flyers and Sixers, and they REFUSE to provide their signal for these games AT ANY PRICE to DBS customers in the Philadelphia area. Effectively, they have a STRANGLEHOLD on the Philadelphia pay-TV market because of this.
Now, with Murdock owning DirecTV and Fox, he will have some programming leverage to COMPEL Comcast to play nice. Since Fox sports, news and entertainment are very popular, the cable companies MUST find a way to offer this programming, or they will lose market share to DBS. The Fox News Channel has higher ratings than CNN and cable companies simply have to find a way to offer that channel if they want to be competitive.
The cable companies are just whining because they are FINALLY getting a taste of their own medicine. | |
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Dobbs Ferry, NY | Re: The monopoly is over and it isn't coming back! said by Nightstick:
. The Fox News Channel has higher ratings than CNN and cable companies simply have to find a way to offer that channel if they want to be competitive.
I didn't know that. Eewwww...that's digusting.
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Corona, CA | Re: The monopoly is over and it isn't coming back!  Well, given their ratings...looks like plenty disagree with you. | |
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Nine Mile Falls, WA | cable companies have had a monopoly in video and broadband for as long as burger king has had a monoploly on cheeseburgers and fries you uninformed child. care for some cheese with your whine? | |
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| | Interesting.... The FCC rejected a merger between DirecTV and Echostar communications last year, claiming it would limit consumer choice.
What the FCC need to do is look at the monopoly of the cable systems in many communities. It's bad enough there is rampant price gouging. There isn't enough competition being fostered.
The cable companies need to shake in their boots. Perhaps with this (News Corp acquisition of DTV), there may be more competition and less price gouging. I can only hope. | |
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| | | Re: Interesting.... One of the reasons why the FCC rejected the DirecTV / Echostar merger is because they consider satellite TV to be competition to cable. Such as merger would limit those areas serviced by a single cable provider to two choices (cable or the combined DirecTV-Echostar) versus the current three choice system (cable or DirecTV or Dish Network). The ultimate effect on competition remains to be seen. | |
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Nine Mile Falls, WA | your post indicates that their is competition provided by the likes of DTV in some communities? i thought DTV was available nationwide. is it just your pre-conceived dislike for cable companies that confuse you to the point of saying the merger would increase competition? competition is already out there. care for some cheese with your whine? | |
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Corona, CA | Re: Interesting.... Again with the cheese...what's this...the 8th time? At least you spelled it right this time.
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1 edit | Okay...I'll feed the troll. For competition...what kind of broadband services does DTV offer? How many HDTV locals do they offer? How much VoD do they offer?
The DN/DTV merger was about BANDWIDTH CONSERVATION. You would have a single company no longer duplicating hundreds of channels. The merger would have permitted services not possible now like local HDTV programming in increased throughput for satellite internet services which are while latency laden...the only source of broadband downloads available to a lot of people. You would also have had a single company with enough subscribers to effectively bargain with programmers. Price wasn't an issue as DN/DTV has as part of the merger proposal was a nationwide pricing requirement meaning they couldn't gouge those in rural communities while dumping programming where there was cable competition. They would have had to price everyone as if they were in heavy competition areas like NYC and LA.
As it stands now...there is no competition to cable for a lot of subscribers like me...who desire multiple HDTV outlets (hardly cost effective with DTV) and local HDTV programming (not available and not planned with DTV)...which...if you would care to look around...is the future of video programming. Not to mention the people who can't get DSL or WISP so their choice is satellite which is FAP controlled because of limited available bandwidth (no thanks to the killing of the merger) or cable...which brings us back to the beginning...which is cables abuse of their market position because they have monopoly control over information services in a lot of their franchises.
Comcast,the largest cable company, for example abuses their market position by penalizing HSI customers who choose not to purchase their CATV products. And it's not a bundle...it was a price increase after their aquisition of ATTBi. I who have HDCATV never got any bundling discount while neighbors with DN or DTV saw their HSI rates skyrocket. So even if DirecTV is an option for video programming...it's not cost effective as cable HSI customers like those with Comcast can pay a 30% higher rate for their HSI.
You should bother collecting the facts before crossposting your nonsense from thread to thread.
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The cable industry has had things their way for far too long. They've built up relationships, via their lobbying efforts, with our elected officials (from the local to the federal level) to the detrimate (measured by the higher and higher cable bills) of the consumer trapped into local long-term franchise agreements that for years have given the cable companies an unfair advantage.
What the cable companies are now crying "unfair advantage" is just a leveling of the playing field.
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Tenafly, NJ | Re: Anything that worries the cable industry . . . This was posted in the OOL forum a couple hours ago. On this particular system. the fees for the digital cable boxes and the analog cable boxes is going up to almost as much as DirecTV's receiver charges.
The press release that they issued a couple weeks ago was misleading. It said that TV packages would be going up 2 or 3 dollars more a month. But when you get done adding up all the other charges (that are also increasing in price), the increase is a lot more!
God bless DirecTV!
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Corona, CA | Re: Anything that worries the cable industry . . . So the add'l receiver access charges (even though you own the DTV receiver) are still more than OOL's receiver rental fees?
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Tenafly, NJ | Re: Anything that worries the cable industry . . . Cablevisions receiver fees are lower than DirecTV's. But not by a few dollars like they used to be. They are almost on the same page now.
As far as Rupert is concerned about gauging customers.... Comcast is with-holding is CSN-Philly from DirecTV. So if DirecTV owns a channel, they should be well within their rights to with-hold it from Comcast.
The Cable Companies really shouldn't be complaining about DirecTV owning content and the delivery system. The Cable Companies already own both, and have no justification in my opinion to complain.
The Cable Companies are gauging customers already. Rupert with-holding channels from them isn't going to make the prices go down. They will ALWAYS be going up, regardless of if Rupert raises one of his channels prices 50% a year. If Cable were to create a package for ESPN and all the other expensive channels, that would be ON TOP OF what you already pay. I would be very surprised if they lowered the bills when they put the channels on an a la carte tier. They would put the channels on a premium tier, prices would remain the same, AND you would be paying for the additional tier.
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2 edits | Re: Anything that worries the cable industry . . . My point is, neither (cable or DBS distributors) should be owning the content providers. As for your latter comments...that's exact point I made today regarding Comcast and TechTV »Re: [COMCAST] Not enough bandwidth for TechTV . They created a new $4 tier of worthless channels but didn't lower the regular prices.
Fox owning DTV will just make it worse for consumers as a whole, not better.
But it also makes worth noting that while DTV and DN customers tout their limited price increases, I do notice that only now is cable's top tier programming and per outlet (access/rental charges) reaching the same price levels as those of DBS ($80 range).
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Nine Mile Falls, WA | dtv has a monopoly on NFL Sunday ticket. you probably won't complain about that. | |
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Baltimore, MD | Great news about DTV and additional receivers! If you have a phone line connected to all your receivers, DTV will now not charge anything I.E. $4.99 month, for the additional receivers! So the Total Choice Premier for $87.99 a month gives you access to 225 digital channels, and thats the real deal!!! Be afraid cable companies be very afraid! | |
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Corona, CA | Re: Anything that worries the cable industry . . . Says who? Where didja hear that? I just looked again at their TOS and it's in there. If they aren't connected to the phone lines, says the TOS then they all have to be on separate accounts. If they are connected to the same phone line then they can mirror the account for $5 per receiver.
»www.directv.com/DTVAPP/learn/Cus···ment.dsp
(1.f) Additional Receivers. If you add additional receivers to your account, you may purchase a separate subscription for each one. Or, if all your receivers are continuously connected to the same land-based phone line, we can "mirror" the programming from your primary receiver to your additional receivers and charge you only the additional receiver fee amount described in Section 2. Pay per view programming cannot be mirrored and can be viewed only on the receiver for which it is purchased.
(3) Additional Receiver Authorization Fee: If you meet the qualifications described in Section 1(f), we may charge you a monthly fee of up to $4.99 for each additional receiver, rather than a full subscription fee on each additional receiver. This reduced rate is available only if all receivers are located at your residence and are continuously connected to the same land-based telephone line. If not, you will be responsible for the full amount of our programming charges for each receiver.
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Hopewell Junction, NY | said by jdhamc:
Great news about DTV and additional receivers! If you have a phone line connected to all your receivers, DTV will now not charge anything I.E. $4.99 month, for the additional receivers! So the Total Choice Premier for $87.99 a month gives you access to 225 digital channels, and thats the real deal!!! Be afraid cable companies be very afraid!
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1 edit | How does this level the playing field? By the Fox programming being able to gouge cable distributors...and thus their customers more? That helps consumers? Maybe I'm missing something here.
I don't care who it is, DTV or Comcast (as we see with their screwing with TechTV)...when they own their own programming it frees them to screw over everyone else. Consumers are hardly the winners.
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Cheyenne, WY | Great The fact the big cable outfits hate this means it's good. Satellite TV is killing hard wired cable. When I went to
DishNetwork (Echostar) it was so much fun calling the local cable outfit to cancel my account. The person I talked to on the phone acted like I had stabbed her in the heart.
DishNetwork's new campaign featuring a Vietnamese Pot bellied hog is a scream. While the hard cable ad's are a flat lie. I remember several years ago EchoStar wanted to
put up another satellite. There was no room to position it in orbit. Turns out TCI cable had purchased the rights to those orbital positions, and had been sitting on them for years. The FCC ruled they where sitting on them to keep someone else, like Echostar, from using them and forced
TCI to give them up to Echostar. I think it's real ironic the Cable industry sited Satellite TV as viable competition when they were arguing for deregulation.
Now that Satellite delivery is skinning them alive they are
squealing like the pot bellied hog they are depicted as in the commercial.
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kudos:4 | Like your high def TV? If so then you dont want rupert getting his hands on direct TV | |
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Holiday, FL |  This is comical!
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99999 | Cable is crap Cable should be worried about the total horses**t service they have rather than what other companies are doing. Cable in my area has been terrible since I can remember but in the last 2 or 3 years its gotten really bad. Comcast recently took over in california now and its the only cable company available. Both their analog and digital cable services are total garbage, I have trouble bringing myself to pay for it. I almost got digital cable when it first came out here, then I got a nice preview of it at someones house who had it. It looks worse than analog.
Im not going to satelite because everything is east coast time.
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Rohnert Park, CA | Re: Cable is crap "Im not going to satelite because everything is east coast time."
I think your a bit off on that, I have DTV and all the shows start at the same time cable does. You could have seen someone that had a wrong setup.
Funny no word at all about Directv Tivo's? They really make TV worth Watching.
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| | | | Re: Cable is crap said by inciter:
Funny no word at all about Directv Tivo's? They really make TV worth Watching.
Tivo rules, RULES, RULES!
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| | Happy with my directv I have total choice plus (over 150 channels), all locals and the Starz/Oncore movie channels. My price is $51.99 a month. Charter cable charges more than that for expanded basic with no movie channels. | |
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| | they just want your money fact of the matter is, competition is good and as long as there is Satellite, MSO's will be forced to stay competitive. In my area (western NY), cable is very competitive, offering over 70 basic channels on as many outlets as you want for about $45. This means you can have 10 TV's in your house receiving over 70 channels and pay only $45/month. Of course if you want more, there is more, but you have to pay. DVR's are avilable for about $8 month, same for HDTV receivers, which are even cheaper! I did the research and an HDTV receiver for DTV will run you at leat $400!!!! How is that for competition. Right now both cable and DTV have their own trump cards. Cable has broadband internet service and more bandwidth than the Satellite's, but DTV has Sunday Ticket.
If you do the research you will find both have decent packages to offer depending on what you want to spend. Problem is everybody wants all the services these companies have to offer but then get upset when they find they cant afford it. Bottom line is Cable and Satellite are a luxery not a utility, if you can't afford it maybe you shouldn't have it or maybe pick a tier of service that is affordable. It's like going to Walmart and complaining to the manager that the treadmill you want is too expensive. That's ludicrous!!!
Personally, I'm a gamer and like to host games on my xbox and PC, and Satellite cant offer that. My bro is football fanatic and he has DTV with Sunday ticket, he enjoys his service, I enjoy my service, and all is well.
where am i going with this, i dont know...
I guess what I'm trying to say is, doesn't matter where you go, all they want is your money anyways!!! | |
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| | Direct Tv Rocks. Direct TV has the NFL Sunday Ticket also, with exclusive rights until 2006 I believe. That alone is killing the cable companies along with their inflated prices.
I had cable for a number of years, my bill would go up every two months it seemed like. So far, with Direct TV, my bill has increased 1 time in 3 years and it was for $1 a month! | |
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