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kudos:4 | Re: How will he acquire the spectrum? said by amigo_boy:I thought Wimax operates on licensed frequencies, and those frequencies were purchased recently at auction. How will he be able to build a Wimax network? Mark The city may already have spectrum for use by police & city government. Some of that spectrum may be usable by a Wimax system.
»www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/08/0···2867.htm
He plans to use other types of city assets, such as an existing base station at City Hall with which he plans to demonstrate the system's capabilities, which would cover six miles in downtown Delray Beach. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX#Spec···n_issues
The 802.16 specification applies across a wide swath of the RF spectrum, and WiMAX could function on any frequency below 66 GHz.
There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, although the WiMAX Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz.
In the unlicensed band, 5.x GHz is the approved profile. Telecom companies are unlikely to use this spectrum widely other than for backhaul, as they do not own and control the spectrum.
It is possible to run Wimax on spectrum outside of that just auctioned by the FCC.
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| Re: How will he acquire the spectrum? said by Romney2012:It is possible to run Wimax on spectrum outside of that just auctioned by the FCC. Thanks. I didn't know that. Does this mean anyone, including individual home owners will be able to use Wimax in an unlicensed band, If someone sells Wimax access points? That seems like it would be problematic because Wimax uses more transmit power. The range is two miles? It seems like people would clobber each other.
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kudos:4 | Re: How will he acquire the spectrum? said by amigo_boy:said by Romney2012:It is possible to run Wimax on spectrum outside of that just auctioned by the FCC. Thanks. I didn't know that. Does this mean anyone, including individual home owners will be able to use Wimax in an unlicensed band, If someone sells Wimax access points? That seems like it would be problematic because Wimax uses more transmit power. The range is two miles? It seems like people would clobber each other. Mark The trick would be to find vendors to sell equipment that works in the desired frequency bands. They won't make hardware that will work on just any frequency. That is why the licensed bands will be the main sales for Wimax hardware vendors. Though for a contract, they may make the hardware work for other frequencies than the licensed ones. And that is where cities could cut special deals.
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| | | | What is "x" in 5.x? "In the unlicensed band, 5.x GHz is the approved profile."
Not very specific. We already use 5.2/3 and 5.7/8 for 802.11, so what is "x" above for WiMax? | |
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| He need only apply for the FCC 3.65Ghz (special feature spectrum) which is a License Spectrum the FCC has set aside for just such a deployment. It is free to anyone registering for the spectrum and allows multiple providers to operate in the spectrum after they have registered their Radio/Tower SIte and end points. This way the FCC will assure each that they will not interfere with each other in any given space.
He need only focus on deploying a Fixed (PTP) and portable service (mobile is more difficult in this space) and avoid any heavy foliage areas if this is to be successful.
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kudos:1 | Hmmm I commend this man for doing something good but how in the world is he going to recoup the costs?  | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Hmmm the term not charging the city could just mean hes not going to charge for the buildout. there could still be a service cost to the users
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Seattle, WA | Go for it... This may or may not fly but I enjoyed reading the story. Here is a guy trying to bring something to his community without a public subsidy. I hope he has a business plan, a good accountant and makes a bundle--someday. | |
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| Re: Go for it... said by seaman:This may or may not fly but I enjoyed reading the story. Here is a guy trying to bring something to his community without a public subsidy. I hope he has a business plan, a good accountant and makes a bundle--someday. I will help him do it... I hope it works for them down there... | |
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I hope it works, too. Oh, and you can get "light licensed" 3.65 GHz WiMax equipment and such. The license costs next to nothing ($120 for 10 years iirc) so it's basically just insurance against cordless phones, baby monitors, etc. clogging up the spectrum.
If this works, it would be a hallmark that other cities could base their networks off of. Or other people. This is pretty much what WiMax is made for... | |
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| | | said by seaman:This may or may not fly but I enjoyed reading the story. Here is a guy trying to bring something to his community without a public subsidy. I hope he has a business plan, a good accountant and makes a bundle--someday. I live just north of Delray Beach, and I can tell you for sure that the demographics that make up the majority of that city are not the type that are going to shell out any money for a wireless Internet system. It just ain't going to fly!
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| | | | Re: Go for it... they're not going to pay for the system. They'd pay to use it just like they pay ATT, VZ, or Comcast, Bright House or someone else for access to the Internet. | |
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| | | | | Re: Go for it... said by hottboiinnc:they're not going to pay for the system. They'd pay to use it just like they pay ATT, VZ, or Comcast, Bright House or someone else for access to the Internet. That is what I am talking about. The demographics that make up the majority of that city are not the type to be surfing the net (in any form), much less shell out money on a monthly basis for wireless Internet access.
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| | | | | | Re: Go for it... Maybe we should call Telco and Cable co and see how many customers they have in that area for internet.
I'll bet you its more than what you think and claim. Just because you don't think so i'll bet you that you're wrong. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Go for it... said by hottboiinnc:I'll bet you its more than what you think and claim. Just because you don't think so i'll bet you that you're wrong. I am too lazy and really couldn't care. You are right, the service will be a hit.
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kudos:2 | Contact Portland He should Contact Portland and look to buy all of thier unused equipment. | |
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kudos:1 | I applaud him! Stupid politicians. I hope he makes it and does very very well! | |
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Riverhead, NY | Garbage Company This company has already failed Long Island, as far as i'm concerned.
Their website is horrible, slow and has no content. They have no portfolio....what have they actually started and completed? Any?
IMHO, a wireless system requires a significant initial capitol to buy the hardware and setup the system, and then ease of use and a low cost. Ads? If you can make it work and generate significant income, then maybe. A couple dollars for a day is decent. I'd pay $20/mo for unlimited usage...and my use would most likely be limited.
OTOH, someone like cablevision is already wiring our area and will most likely be done before ePath even figures out what hardware to buy. They have the lines run and backbone....it's almost trivial for them to setup a wireless network. I think the reason they didn't bid on the RFP for nassau/suffolk was that they want complete control.
Sorry Delray Beach, FL and Nassau and Suffolk, NY....ePath is/has failed you - even before starting. CV/OOL, though, will most likely beat you in Nassau/Suffolk.....and at a total cost of $0 to any CV/OOL subscriber. | |
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If other Cable Cos and ISPs did the same thing CableVision and the Dolans are doing right now they're wouldnt be a need for wired internet thousands of cities around the country. | |
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Tenafly, NJ | said by fcisler:and at a total cost of $0 to any CV/OOL subscriber. You have no clue what it's going to cost us. They are letting you use it for "free" but that doesn't mean Optimum Onlines will not go up in price next year. It hasn't in the last couple of years, so we are due for an increase. If Cablevision is successful in wiring their entire service area with Wifi... then I think you will see more companies doing similar things. Comcast, TimeWarner, RCN, etc. That will put all these phonies out of business. - Assuming Cablevision has a plan to get Wifi into areas with underground wiring. | |
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Riverhead, NY | Re: Garbage Company As in total cost of $0, I am referring to my immediate cost out of pocket to use the service. As in if ePath came around, it could be $5/day. With CV, it's $0.
Everything has a hidden cost...that's a given. It costs SOMEONE money SOMEWHERE and they are going to recoup that cost. | |
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| | Numbers Half the population is 32,075 customers. At $2.5 mil, that is $78 per customer. 3 months at $25 and the system is paid for. Does anybody know how much bandwidth you need for 32 thousand customers, or how much it costs ? What do you figure, 6 or 8 DX3ees ? That, plus installers, insurance, office expense, employees, a billing system, tech support, traffic shaping and a federal CARNIVORE interface, and he might be onto a real decent business plan. Surely he can subscribe at least 50% of the township at $25 / month, right ? .... RIGHT ??!!
It's WhyMax fer gawd sakes !!
Maybe he can just siphon of $60 grand for himself while he bilks all those rich investors, just like all the other WIMAX operations are doing. | |
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| | WHere's the demographic markets to ... add substance to his business proposal? | |
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| | Where is the Market?? Two small items...
I need a WiMax client device for my PC. Anyone these days who has a PC has broadband access, maybe DSL or as piece of a triple play offering.
The second is that he is looking for capital to create a 'for profit' company here. I don't have a problem with that, but he is NOT trying to be mr nice guy, he is creating a hopefully profitable business for himself.
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We spend 96% of our time at HOME or the OFFICE, so when those locations are wired for GIGABIT FIBER, "wireless" is shown up for the toy it really is. Would you rather have 1000mbps or even 10000mbps FIBER ACCESS 96% of the time, or 1.5mbps access 4% of the time? I think the answer is obvious.
You want FIBER TO THE HOME FIRST. And only THEN worry what the FatCorps want to do with YOUR spectrum. | |
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| | "WhyMax" indeed: more like clueless than wireless
The FCC and the "incumbents" (read: mass telcos and cablecos) have done everything they can to ELIMINATE the chance for small ISPs to PLAY AT ALL. We used to be able to sell T1 lines cheaper than PacBell=SBC=AT&T, but thanks to the FCC and the economic Fascists in this country, the consumer no longer has a choice and our business is cut to pieces.
I wrote COMMUNITYFIBER.ORG as the FINAL SOLUTION to this moneygrubbing telecom mess we're in: if the big boys want to kill off all small ISPs, then fine: I AGREE, as long as we can KILL OFF THE MONOPOLIES AS WELL. If we can't play at ALL, then they can't PLAY AT ALL: let's quit LYING that telecom is NOT a UTILITY to be delivered to the consumer at UTILITY RATES.
YOU (whoEVER you are) will benefit ENORMOUSLY by adopting the model described at COMMUNITYFIBER.ORG. The only people who will oppose that model are those who LINE THEIR POCKETS WITH YOUR MONEY until you GET RID OF THEM AS DESCRIBED.
Each community that does the FTTH will create a network the big boys cannot TAMPER WITH, SNOOP ON, FILTER TO SUIT THEMSELVES, or create ARTIFICIAL AND MEANINGLESS PRICE DISTINCTIONS with. You will get GIGABIT SERVICE TO START WITH, unless 10gbps is commodified by the time you build, in which case you'll get TEN GIGABITS: And it will be YOUR NETWORK, NOT THEIRS.
Once we have put the "incumbents" OUT OF BUSINESS, there won't BE THESE JERK PESTS TO LOBBY THE FCC AGAINST OUR INTERESTS. WE deserve what WE WANT, NOT what THEY want to GIVE US.
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