FTTP Network vs. Muni Wireless in San Francisco Can FTTP better close the 'digital divide'? Early next month, San Franciscos Board of Supervisors will vote on whether or not to approve the citys deal with Google/Earthlink for providing the area with free wireless internet access. As the date gets closer, suggestions for alternatives to the project are brought to the forefront. The Fog City Journal reports that Public Net San Francisco, a coalition of various community groups and Internet professionals, insisted that the City of San Francisco cancel the pending Google/Earthlink monopoly WiFi deal, and instead use the Citys existing high speed fiber optic network as the backbone to build a truly modern, fast, and free, public communications system. There are multi-faceted concerns about the Earthlink deal, including issues with the city signing on to a multi-year monopoly by one company. However, what most affects consumers in the area is the concern that the system would be slower than alternatives. The Examiner reports that a better alternative may be to connect all homes and businesses in San Francisco to an FTTP network. Such a project, which would cost approximately $560 million, has never been done in a city of San Franciscos size within the U.S. but has been successful in some European cities. Although speed may be faster, one drawback is that connecting a full fiber network of this size could take up to fifteen years, whereas Earthlinks citywide WiFi should be available in 2009.
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| speed isn't important really the idea should be to provide FREE universal access. speed is a secondary issue really. think about it, if everyone has free symmetrical 128Kbps access, that's plenty to use for most research apps, and a few Mbps is even better. this will help create the expectation for higher PAID speeds that you can BUY from providers. but for basic use, anything 128Kbps and higher should be more than adequate. i'd love it if my city were 'wired' for wireless this way, wow! -- illegal wars, prisoners with no trials, and state controlled media. welcome to the land of the free! | |
|  |  | | Re: speed isn't important really said by kba4: anything 128Kbps and higher should be more than adequate.  | |
|  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 | Re: speed isn't important really 128k might as well be dialup. Anything under 1mbps is worthless. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: speed isn't important really San Francisco should bill the system as a "mega earthquake sensor" -- and ask the Federal Geologic Survey folks to pay for it. They'd know every time somebody farted in the 'Bay area! | |
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| Re: speed isn't important really THANK YOU!!
it's FREE, people! true, if it costs something then the customer has a right to complain, but it's FREE, or at least subsidized to a large extent. don't complain when your city is a hotspot, even at less than 1Mbps. you can do more than most citizens: check maps, etc. while riding with someone, pay bills after using an ATM, stuff like that  -- illegal wars, prisoners with no trials, and state controlled media. welcome to the land of the free! | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: speed isn't important really What do you expect this is the city of communists! It's typical for communists t demand everything top notch and force someone else to pay for it! These are the same people that are trying to regulate talk radio and censor anybody who dares go against the communist left! Communism cannot tolerate contrasting views! Communist liberals have created a system where they complain that Bush is a tyrant and that America sucks when in reality it is the opposite. It is the communist liberals in the name of freedom are trying to regulate the media and create as many inefficient communist programs so that they can turn America into a communist dump! Liberals are communists, and the only good communist is a dead one! | |
|  |  |  |  |  kba4 join:2001-10-23 Canton, OH | Re: speed isn't important really a little heavy on the Commie talk don't you think  | |
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 | | SF RCN Notice how the topic mentions NOTHING about RCN which in San Francisco has fiber assets and is supposedly selling out to Astound Broadband and its in the franchise process right now.
The future for San Francisco belongs to a combination of Wireless AND Fiber optics.
SF doesn't need Steve Weed formerly of Millenium Digital whos over at Astound now ruining the broadband for users in the San Francisco and surrounding areas.
SF will get the wireless portion of broadband correct, but the WIRED piece looks like it could be destroyed if the same body believes that Astound Broadband is IN the interests of its users. | |
|  1 edit | 15 years bullshyt if thats the case Verizon been laying fiber for the last 50 years If Sanfran do this expect other cities to follow and the US gov should give cites and towns some kinda help deploying this | |
|  calvoiper join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Why the Board of Stupervisors favors fiber.... The Board of Stupervisors favors fiber because it will be SO much more expensive, and there will be SO many more opportunities to steer contracts, solicit campaign contributions, make friends, and take bribes. The public be damned, make sure the Stupervisors get their trough filled first!
calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
|  calvoiper join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Monopoly? What monopoly? There is all this talk of the City giving Google/Earthlink a "monopoly." What monopoly? There are several ISPs operating in San Francisco. A monopoly on Wi-Fi? No way, the FCC would never allow that. A monopoly on "free"? No, anybody can give something away.
What's left? A monopoly on placing Wi-Fi equipment on streetlight poles? So what?
The choices for "competitors" between now and 2015 are between 1) not putting Wi-Fi on streetlights because only Google/Earthlink can or 2) not putting Wi-Fi on streetlights because nobody can. After about 2015, "competitors" might be able to ride a city-run network, but if you're familiar with how well SF city government "runs" things (like the municipal streetcar and bus system) you can bet that competitors will have already gone Wi-Max, Wi-Fi from private (or utility) locations, or some other technology.
This harebrained "public fiber" scheme is a roadmap to failure and corruption.
calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
|  elveySpamassassin join:2001-02-17 San Francisco, CA | Informed Opinions? Has Brewster Kahle opined on this yet? | |
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