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Verizon's plan to dominate broadband going swimmingly
(old news - 11:51AM Wednesday Sep 27 2006)
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We've been watching the Verizon webcast aimed at updating analysts and investors on the progress of their Fios deployment. Originally this was supposed to be a series of three closed door meetings, but yesterday the company decided to make it one open-door event, indicating their growing confidence in the financials. It was only recently that Verizon felt happy enough with their Fios adoption numbers (some 350k customers), that they began splitting them from DSL subscribers in their quarterly reports.

Most of the stuff being announced at the meeting is not new; the company is largely aiming these updates at the nervous (and frequently myopic) investors on Wall Street, who are used to more immediate results. Verizon is apparently watching you; presentation slide (pdf) 29 contained quotes from postive Broadband Reports user reviews of the service.

We've certainly been hard on them for mis-steps in the past, but there's no doubt what they're doing now is the correct course of action to future-proof the company in the coming battles with cable operators. We're just hoping this next push will include more secondary markets (see our Fios deployment map).

According to Verizon, the company intends to pass (note this does not mean serve) 18 million homes with Fios by the end of 2010, or more than 50 percent of the approximately 33 million households in the company's 28-state wireline service area. Verizon says they are on target to pass a total of 6 million homes by the end of 2006, adding 3 million more per year through 2010.

As we've noted, Verizon has found ways to cut the installation costs of Fios, bringing the average capital expenditures to pass a home down to $873, and to connect a home down to $933. According to the company, they hope to bring these costs down to $700 and $650 respectively by 2010.

Verizon notes they have a very good churn (turnover) rate of around 1.5%, meaning only a minute few are leaving the service, despite the fact Verizon pulls all copper from a home after install (so any defectors are likely going to cable). However most cable customers (10% says Verizon) are directly jumping to Fios once it's available, so this is a battle Verizon is clearly winning.

One of the things not announced in today's meeting, confirmed to us by analyst Dave Burstein, is that the company is preparing to trial GPON fiber technology. According to Burstein, Verizon will have deployed between 7M and 9M lines of BPON (100Mbps/30Mbps, or 622/155 split up to 32 ways) before they gain enough confidence to switch to GPON (capable of 250Mbps/125Mbps).

"That’s considerably better than the low end DOCSIS 3.0 (160/120), and similar to the high end DOCSIS 3.0 (1 gig/100 meg, shared to probably hundreds of homes,)" notes Burstein.

During the meeting Verizon claimed that while Fios is costing more to deploy than AT&T's "Project Lightspeed," it works much better than AT&T's IPTV solution. Given Verizon's promising financials and positive customer reaction, will we see AT&T announce they've decided to go all fiber before year's end (something we've seen at least two analysts predict)?

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I thought GPON was 2.4Gbps??

Either way, I know it is considerably higher than DOCSIS 3.0 will be (I think the real world difference is like 10x faster).
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Are you listining Cablevision?

CV is going to have to face the reality of FiOS and stop blaming all of their customers problems (slow speeds) on the pc

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I had to drop CV, which was nearly flawless for me for 7 years, to get FIOS. It was only because of price.

FIOS is $15 / month cheaper and it works just as well (after several months).

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Just as well???

With FIOS you GET the advertised speed, not "upto"..

You also have the ADDED benefit of NOT having to worry about every bit of data you transmit, regardless of cause (Bit-torrent, game playing, work, etc.)

Get real, FIOS even at the same cost as OOL is still better...
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my performance is comparable between the two. i like how they both work. I just like the $15-cheaper-one $15 better.
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Presentation Slides

Link to presentation slides:

»investor.verizon.com/news/200609···0927.pdf

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Cool link.

Right now, the fiber is up on the "main" roads on my side of town. From what I'm told we're looking at Mid 2007 for deployment.

I would love to have that 20/5 package for 45/mo. That just kicks butt...
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Link to presentation slides:

»investor.verizon.com/news/200609···0927.pdf
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apartments are harder. not only technology speaking, but many landlords have committed with some cable companies.

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just because your(landlord) committed to cable company doesnt mean your tenants have to buy cable tv service.

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just because your(landlord) committed to cable company doesnt mean your tenants have to buy cable tv service.
You are right. But it also doesn't mean that the landlord has to let Verizon run Fios to HIS building either. There are no laws, like with Sat dishes, that forces an apartment building owner to allow tenants to wire up to Fios. If he has a deal with Cablevision, he can exclude Verizon Fios.
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said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

just because your(landlord) committed to cable company doesnt mean your tenants have to buy cable tv service.
You are right. But it also doesn't mean that the landlord has to let Verizon run Fios to HIS building either. There are no laws, like with Sat dishes, that forces an apartment building owner to allow tenants to wire up to Fios. If he has a deal with Cablevision, he can exclude Verizon Fios.
Apart from board-led buildings I never heard of anything liek this and I lived in almost every borough here.
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MDU aggreements can be anywhere from 5-10 years and usually locks in cable and hsd provider for that building/complex. If in this case TW or Cablevision have MDR aggreements with any buildings then Verizon might not be able to wire that building for Fios. I know Bellsouth has some MDU aggreement that forbid Comcast from offering cable and hsd in certain areas where I live. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon is locked out of certain apartment buildings for some while.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

just because your(landlord) committed to cable company doesnt mean your tenants have to buy cable tv service.
You are right. But it also doesn't mean that the landlord has to let Verizon run Fios to HIS building either. There are no laws, like with Sat dishes, that forces an apartment building owner to allow tenants to wire up to Fios. If he has a deal with Cablevision, he can exclude Verizon Fios.
Apart from board-led buildings I never heard of anything liek this and I lived in almost every borough here.
It happens all the time. The bigger the building the more likely they will have some sort of arrangement. Some buildings even have their "own" phone service provider.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

just because your(landlord) committed to cable company doesnt mean your tenants have to buy cable tv service.
You are right. But it also doesn't mean that the landlord has to let Verizon run Fios to HIS building either. There are no laws, like with Sat dishes, that forces an apartment building owner to allow tenants to wire up to Fios. If he has a deal with Cablevision, he can exclude Verizon Fios.
Not unless Verizon Throws Cash at him which I could see them doing and NOT Cablevision.

IMHO I think all ISP's are a bit Shock that Verizon is going to do this and stick with it..

it's not a small amount...
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

just because your(landlord) committed to cable company doesnt mean your tenants have to buy cable tv service.
You are right. But it also doesn't mean that the landlord has to let Verizon run Fios to HIS building either. There are no laws, like with Sat dishes, that forces an apartment building owner to allow tenants to wire up to Fios. If he has a deal with Cablevision, he can exclude Verizon Fios.
If it makes his property more valuable to rent I'd think a landlord would want Fios... great for marketing. If I had to rent an apartment I'd go for the one with Fios over cable any day even if it wasn't as nice. The landlord could charge a premium too if he was the first on the block to get it.

And from Verizon's standpoint it's a no-brainer... high density opportunity for deployment.

win-win all the way around.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

just because your(landlord) committed to cable company doesnt mean your tenants have to buy cable tv service.
You are right. But it also doesn't mean that the landlord has to let Verizon run Fios to HIS building either. There are no laws, like with Sat dishes, that forces an apartment building owner to allow tenants to wire up to Fios. If he has a deal with Cablevision, he can exclude Verizon Fios.
If it makes his property more valuable to rent I'd think a landlord would want Fios... great for marketing. If I had to rent an apartment I'd go for the one with Fios over cable any day even if it wasn't as nice. The landlord could charge a premium too if he was the first on the block to get it.

And from Verizon's standpoint it's a no-brainer... high density opportunity for deployment.

win-win all the way around.
I agree and the Verizon DSL techs that come here I can tell don't like messing with the Copper here... It's a wire mess in the Box that splits all the apartments to a building.
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I agree and the Verizon DSL techs that come here I can tell don't like messing with the Copper here... It's a wire mess in the Box that splits all the apartments to a building.
It's THEIR mess, right?

No one said it would be plug and play; sure there is some installation involved. They wired the building for cable once... it will all come down to demand. When tenants start leaving for other properties with better services it will force landlords to buck up to keep competitive.

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said by Subaru See Profile :

I agree and the Verizon DSL techs that come here I can tell don't like messing with the Copper here... It's a wire mess in the Box that splits all the apartments to a building.
It's THEIR mess, right?

No one said it would be plug and play; sure there is some installation involved. They wired the building for cable once... it will all come down to demand. When tenants start leaving for other properties with better services it will force landlords to buck up to keep competitive.
Yes it's Verizon's Mess.. and Before that GTE.. and who knows what else...

Should not take 10 Min to find my pair of wires..

So bad they marked my DSL wires with a piece of paper with my name and Address on it.
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Yes it's Verizon's Mess..
No it is not Verizon's mess. Verizon gave up inside-wire long ago. It is expense to maintain and run. It belongs to the building owner. The public demanded it now they have, live with it.

Verizon WILL not deploy any system except FIOS. I can see them hanging the NID on the side of the building and if the landlord doesn't bust their balls they will run Cat5 to each apartment. They may use the coax to supply FIOS unless the land lord busts there balls. Then it is not worth the effort and they will leave it to the tenants and land lord to fight it out. One building isn't worth the problems, their are bigger fish to fry. Netcong with above ground wires and single family homes. No ball busting here, FIOS now.

Live with it if Verizon can't hustle a buck you are gone just like Hawaii and soon Vermont, New Hampshire, Main and Ohio. Bitch and moan about big bad Verizon, you won't have Verizon to kick around any more.

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Yes it's Verizon's Mess..
No it is not Verizon's mess. Verizon gave up inside-wire long ago.
The wires are Outside of the home, so from what I understand it's Verizon's issue.

Also I'm in a rare part of Verizon area served by the Former NYNEX service, The town after me (Riverside) Which is about 3 miles from me is served by SBC if i'm Correct... Err AT&T SBC or whatever it's called now.
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The wires are Outside of the home, so from what I understand it's Verizon's issue.

Black wires are Verizon's, any other color are the building's owners. If they are Verizon's wires they will be replaced with fiber. Depending on the deal of the day Verizon may run a Cat5 to each apartment of use the existing coax. Those things change and are not written in stone.

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The wires are Outside of the home, so from what I understand it's Verizon's issue.

Black wires are Verizon's, any other color are the building's owners. If they are Verizon's wires they will be replaced with fiber. Depending on the deal of the day Verizon may run a Cat5 to each apartment of use the existing coax. Those things change and are not written in stone.
your talking about the Black wire that feeds all of the apartments right?
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said by Subaru See Profile :

Yes it's Verizon's Mess..
No it is not Verizon's mess. Verizon gave up inside-wire long ago. It is expense to maintain and run. It belongs to the building owner. The public demanded it now they have, live with it.

Verizon WILL not deploy any system except FIOS. I can see them hanging the NID on the side of the building and if the landlord doesn't bust their balls they will run Cat5 to each apartment. They may use the coax to supply FIOS unless the land lord busts there balls. Then it is not worth the effort and they will leave it to the tenants and land lord to fight it out. One building isn't worth the problems, their are bigger fish to fry. Netcong with above ground wires and single family homes. No ball busting here, FIOS now.

Live with it if Verizon can't hustle a buck you are gone just like Hawaii and soon Vermont, New Hampshire, Main and Ohio. Bitch and moan about big bad Verizon, you won't have Verizon to kick around any more.
If you're talking about the demarc where the bix blocks are... that's Verizon's mess.

And if VZ DID do away with inside wire, why do they charge an inside wire maintenance fee? They handle residential inside wire for sure.

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And if VZ DID do away with inside wire, why do they charge an inside wire maintenance fee? They handle residential inside wire for sure.
They charge a wire maintenance fee so the subscriber only has to test for a telephone problem before they call repair. Verizon will repair or replace a standard inside wire that is defective. This replacement does not cover a wide spread flood or other disaster. Read the contract and you won't have to ask.

Ever if Verizon runs the wire it is only guarantied for 30 days as you own it.

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And if VZ DID do away with inside wire, why do they charge an inside wire maintenance fee? They handle residential inside wire for sure.
They charge a wire maintenance fee so the subscriber only has to test for a telephone problem before they call repair. Verizon will repair or replace a standard inside wire that is defective. This replacement does not cover a wide spread flood or other disaster. Read the contract and you won't have to ask.

Ever if Verizon runs the wire it is only guarantied for 30 days as you own it.
Verizon will maintain any inside wire that they installed as long as you're paying maintenance for it. Show me where you're getting your 30 day window information from. So what you're saying is that after 30 days, no one should pay for an inside maintenance plan? Verizon owns the network to the jack if you're paying them to maintain it. They will only repair to the demarc if you choose not to pay for inside maintenance. The end user is leasing service from Verizon, they do not own any part of it.

YOU read the contract: »www22.verizon.com/ForYourHome/Cu···_pdf.pdf

I don't recall this conversation relating to flood damage, but rather installing Fios, so I don't know why you're using that as a part of this conversation.

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And if VZ DID do away with inside wire, why do they charge an inside wire maintenance fee? They handle residential inside wire for sure.
They charge a wire maintenance fee so the subscriber only has to test for a telephone problem before they call repair. Verizon will repair or replace a standard inside wire that is defective. This replacement does not cover a wide spread flood or other disaster. Read the contract and you won't have to ask.

Ever if Verizon runs the wire it is only guarantied for 30 days as you own it.
Verizon will maintain any inside wire that they installed as long as you're paying maintenance for it. Show me where you're getting your 30 day window information from. So what you're saying is that after 30 days, no one should pay for an inside maintenance plan? Verizon owns the network to the jack if you're paying them to maintain it. They will only repair to the demarc if you choose not to pay for inside maintenance. The end user is leasing service from Verizon, they do not own any part of it.

YOU read the contract: »www22.verizon.com/ForYourHome/Cu···_pdf.pdf

I don't recall this conversation relating to flood damage, but rather installing Fios, so I don't know why you're using that as a part of this conversation.
I don't know why I bother. I don't have the time or energy to explain every word. It is the IQ rule of 30.

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Yes but also it would be difficult to retrofit older apartments. The apartment complex I live in was built in 1971, there are 6 buildings with about 54 unit each. I would not be cost effective because of the needed structural engineering changes needed to rerun fiber to each unit. A better solution would be FTTN putting the node close to the building and some sort of VDSL over existing copper.

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Yes but also it would be difficult to retrofit older apartments. The apartment complex I live in was built in 1971, there are 6 buildings with about 54 unit each. I would not be cost effective because of the needed structural engineering changes needed to rerun fiber to each unit. A better solution would be FTTN putting the node close tot eh building and some sort of VDSL over existing copper.
I thought VZ was using coax to the prem? Couldn't they use the current coax infrastructure (or at least run side by side) back to a central 'node' of sorts?

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Yes but also it would be difficult to retrofit older apartments. The apartment complex I live in was built in 1971, there are 6 buildings with about 54 unit each. I would not be cost effective because of the needed structural engineering changes needed to rerun fiber to each unit. A better solution would be FTTN putting the node close to the building and some sort of VDSL over existing copper.
That will NOT happen. One system, it works.
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This is EXACTLY whats going to happen. Running fiber risers through older buildings would not only cost a fortune but is also impossible in some situations.

Have no fear people.. you can probably get 100+ Mbps DSL connection over a couple hundred feet. More than enough for HDTV streams / internet and phone.

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said by chemaupr See Profile :

apartments are harder. not only technology speaking, but many landlords have committed with some cable companies.
It's still Money to be made, I mean Really.. I just came from a New Installed FIOS household back to DSL which is also Verizon, I loose sync in a week maybe about 25 times.

I never lost it with Fios.

Most of the wires here are as old as this building from 1951.
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pfft, what are you talking about, old town homes that have been converted? Apartment complexes that have been built in the last 10 years are wired to hell and back. People just dont know it. They have been using 5 to 6 pair lines for telephone wall jacks for a very long time. the roping and cable conduits are all in a main conduit that dosent seperate untill it reaches the actual unit. and the newer access boxes being used by verizon and other company have enough room to expand fiber into. and now a huge percentage of complexs being built have fiber prelaid between buildings and complexs.

Verizon/Contractors is not dumb, they have been and will continue to wire new complexs with fiber and copper.

It would be very easy for verizon to deploy fios to a new apartment complex.

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They really need to start working on Apartment work
I agree. Earlier this year VZ told me they won't enter the City before 2007 (I know they have few points in SI but that isn't really City ).

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This building was built back in 1951

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Found older pic I posted of it Before my DSL was installed with the Paper tag on my wires.

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Found older pic I posted of it Before my DSL was installed with the Paper tag on my wires.
All of the visible wires belong to the building owner. There is a black wire behind the terminal with the nuts, that is as far as Verizon is responsible.

In some states Verizon is running a Cat5 to one location for free. There is some talk of them using existing coax instead of Cat5. Multi unit buildings without conduit are going to be a pain in the butt and landlords are going to bust chops about how the wire is going to be run.

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going to be interesting to see what they do just getting the wires from the box to the house whenever they installed the wires they drilled a hole in the Brick at an angle.

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going to be interesting to see what they do just getting the wires from the box to the house whenever they installed the wires they drilled a hole in the Brick at an angle.
You better hope it is still free installation. Then the landlord can really bust chops on how he wants the wire run, NO WIRE SHOWING just like the old days. If Verizon charges by the hour it will be nearly $100.00 an hour billed to the subscriber. Then how the wire is run is very negotiable. In fact you can run it yourself.

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going to be interesting to see what they do just getting the wires from the box to the house whenever they installed the wires they drilled a hole in the Brick at an angle.
You better hope it is still free installation. Then the landlord can really bust chops on how he wants the wire run, NO WIRE SHOWING just like the old days. If Verizon charges by the hour it will be nearly $100.00 an hour billed to the subscriber. Then how the wire is run is very negotiable. In fact you can run it yourself.
I was going to run a line from the box to my room for my DSL line as I had no jack in my room.. but it seems they filled the hole up with something hard so I had to tap off the bedroom jack which took HOURS!

the wires have been painted over 1,000's of times and they are no color coded so I had a hard time telling what was what when they ran between walls into the next room.

easy to run the wires yourself... better then what Verizon charges lol
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
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I just have Dry loop DSL with VOIP.
Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

What About the After 2010 and the Secondary Markets

They talk about penetration through 2010, but what about afterwards. Are they going to slow down. Are they going to go as hard and fast. Or do they consider those areas not already served not worth the investment

Was there any talk about selling there smaller markets. Specifically anything in Ohio.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

Re: What About the After 2010 and the Secondary Markets

Yes, Verizon has stated that they would consider the sale of their landlines in seven states, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Ohio.
Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

Re: What About the After 2010 and the Secondary Markets

This I alread now. My question is, was any of this asked on the con-call.

RIRWIN1983

join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH
Why are they wanting to sell off ohio? to turn over marketshare to at&t? makes no sence
moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

Churn rate is interesting....

.......as is the migration from cable rate (10%.)

Seems people are willing to step out of the abyss and try something else besides the cable companies.
Network Guy

join:2000-08-25
New York
·PHONE POWER
·Broadvox Direct
·Verizon Online DSL

Wish them well

I hated Verizon with a passion moons ago, but I do hope this comes out well for them. It will inevitable force MSOs to match the offering or seek alternate incentives to stay alive.

Personally, I'm glad they're hitting this strong. Cablevision needs to be pulled out of it's misery.

I can't get FIOS where I live, but as long as the trusty 3/768 DSL circuit from Verizon remains as flawless as it's been, I'm happy.
WC813

join:2000-12-20
Wesley Chapel, FL

User quotes

Do you think I can get some free service since they used a quote from my review????
Probably not, they are still in the hole and have to pay for it somehow.

jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: User quotes

said by WC813 See Profile :

Do you think I can get some free service since they used a quote from my review????
Probably not, they are still in the hole and have to pay for it somehow.
Ain't happening Dave.
sh0ckie

join:2002-07-10
Bronx, NY

More good news for Verizon

Also in the news today, the City Council in New York City is expected to pass a resolution to allow the city to change its TV franchising agreements, allowing Verizon and others to offer TV service. I hope this convinces Verizon it's time to push Fios into NYC. »www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.js···id=62941 "Cablevision did not return calls for comment."
B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28

Re: More good news for Verizon

FiOS is already in the NYC boroughs, including Manhattan.

-- B

kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US


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Re: More good news for Verizon

said by B See Profile :

FiOS is already in the NYC boroughs, including Manhattan.

-- B
No, it's not. In fact it's technically unavailable in NYC including Manhattan.
(FIOS is only available in NYC for a few blocks area in Staten Island.)

PS: it helps to believe: »Queens, NYC general FIOS thread, vol. II

NPire

join:2001-05-01
New York, NY

Re: More good news for Verizon

There is a new building on East 57th (maybe 53rd?) that has it. Plus we have it only Roosevelt Island, which is technically part of Manhattan.

Last Result:
Download Speed: 10191 kbps (1273.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1806 kbps (225.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

Not too shabby for $30/mo (with a 1-year contract), now all I need is FIOS TV and I can finally rid myself of Time Warner.
grrarrgh

join:2005-02-24
New York, NY
bayside is part of nyc, and has plenty of fios available.
sh0ckie

join:2002-07-10
Bronx, NY
That's little more than passing by NYC till they start doing MDUs.
Alan
Premium
join:2001-01-28
Atlantic Beach, FL

Florida

I hope Florida granted state wide franchise status. I'd get FiOS in a heartbeat if it were at my doorstep.

fiosisnt it too late

@rr.com

isn't it too late?

VZ should have started Fios not few years ago , but at least 10+ yrs ago. with free muni WIFI in my opinion people will stop paying for internet in the next few years. VOIP will be first to go.

Vathral
Premium
join:2002-08-26
New York, NY
clubs:
·Earthlink Cable Mo..

Re: isn't it too late?

said by fiosisnt it too late :

VZ should have started Fios not few years ago , but at least 10+ yrs ago. with free muni WIFI in my opinion people will stop paying for internet in the next few years. VOIP will be first to go.
I don't know...10 years ago pricing for bandwidth, service, etc would probably been alot higher than it is now. I guess now is a good time with costs going to wire up as much of the country as possible.
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Seti @ Home || Team Discovery || Team Helix ||
yabos

join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON
And you're going to get HDTV and 30MBit over WIFI? Yeah right.

thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY

30/5 = 30/9.5

For me, at least.

I love Verizon.

I need to update my review.

VerizonBull

@comcast.net

Hot Diggity!

This FIOS stuff ought come in handy when I'm playing my Holodeck Version of Duke Nukem Forever! Oh Wait! Verizon still can't deliver a crappy DSL line......Shucks.

You'll see a national WiFi network before Verizon deployes a substantial optical network:{

still_an_underdog

@verizon.net

many weapons left in the docis world

docsis 3.0 is reasonable competitor to gpons, considering that most people will probably use only a fraction of the bandwidth available, except for the hard-core would-be mpaa scofflaws out there... Still, knowing Verizon, they will wait until the churn rates start bubbling to switch to GPON for preexisting GPONS, at least that was the attitude of my video installer.. Hope they don't confuse overconfidence and laziness like in prior deployments, satellite tv provders are...

Then again Verizon sends down reasonable VOD for around 300kbits compressed (obviously) and looks good. Although, I would have to say, if you were to buy a PPV, you would need a 24 hour window to 'record/view' the content, cause what happens if a picture freezes while recording cause somone on your network is using P2P or other resource hungry apps, Hmm... My answer: GET IT OFF OF THE DATA LINE, use COAX for vod/ppv/signaling/provisioning as PROPRIETARY bandwidth!
IMHO, Verizon got lazy on that 1310nm signal and didn't
leave enough overhead, or got braindamaged in the acceptance of the RFP from motorola on the signaling for their boxes!

AnnaS8

join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD

Left behind...

I would love to have FIOS. Sadly though Verizon has put FIOS every where around me but I am unable to get it. My friends and family have it and I have played around with it. It pisses me off cuz everywhere around me has it just not where I am.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Left behind...

said by AnnaS8 See Profile :

I would love to have FIOS. Sadly though Verizon has put FIOS every where around me but I am unable to get it. My friends and family have it and I have played around with it. It pisses me off cuz everywhere around me has it just not where I am.
In Morris County New Jersey every Central Office except Boonton and Netcong are lit or being wired. I am hoping when the State TV franchise goes into effect things will take off.

AnnaS8

join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD

Re: Left behind...

So did I with the county franchise agreement here. Too bad for me I am considered being in the city so it doesn't help me. Blah.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL

Resistance is futile.

I am

Prepare to be assimilated.


Resistance is futile.

Rob A
Same Old Jets
Premium
join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ

Fios will dominate

It's only a matter of time.

DoctorDoom
Troll hunter
Premium
join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA

Re: Fios will dominate

Where I live, that will be when time is measured in Stardates and Duck Dodgers is searching for Illudium Phosdex on Planet X. Calling my area "underserved" is a gross underestimation.

Rob A
Same Old Jets
Premium
join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ

It's only a matter of time...

Before fios is the most popular isp in the nation.

DoctorDoom
Troll hunter
Premium
join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA

Re: It's only a matter of time...

But only in areas where there is already broadband. It will never be expanded to rural or low-population areas, i.e., areas where there is not already DSL or cable. That's a given.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: It's only a matter of time...

said by DoctorDoom See Profile :

But only in areas where there is already broadband. It will never be expanded to rural or low-population areas, i.e., areas where there is not already DSL or cable. That's a given.
You have that right, Verizon wants to sell off the great unwashed as they did with Hawaii.
mediamath

join:2006-11-20
New York, NY

VERIZON should go to the next step

VERIZON should offer web-hosting and bulid data centers that can blow away Time/Warner from an entertainment and business perspective.

They could then have a business from end to end as well as home users.

I wonder if they are smart enough to do this???
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