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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | Looking to move to NYC Ok I can not take being a broadband have not. I want this so bad. | |
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join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| Re: Nice deal said by Jeffrey  :I'm paying $50 or $55 right now for 20/5. Lucky you. In Texas - the birthplace of FiOS - I'm paying $55 for 15/2 (and I think if you sign up now it is $65). | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Nice deal said by DMS1 :In Texas - the birthplace of FiOS - I'm paying $55 for 15/2 (and I think if you sign up now it is $65). If you don't mind saying, what ISP is this? I'm still getting 5-7/0.4 for $47. | |
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Lumberjack
Premium
join:2003-01-18
Newport News, VA
·Cox HSI
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October 15th, @09:03AM
| Um, yeah Considering the 30/5 tier in the Hampton Roads area costs upwards of $99/month (the 20/2 is $49/month) I'm thinking this tier if offered will be around $200/month here.
I really hope Verizon and Cox get into some pissing match so I can finally get the FiOS speeds of other markets in this area.
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SteveLV702
Premium
join:2004-04-22
Henderson, NV | Re: Um, yeah I'm in hampton roads (Virginia Beach) and can't even get fios yet so I am stuck with Cox Cable and since I need a Static IP for work I am forced to get a Business Account and pay $120/mo + $5 per static IP.. | |
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Lumberjack
Premium
join:2003-01-18
Newport News, VA
·Cox HSI
| Re: Um, yeah said by SteveLV702 :I'm in hampton roads (Virginia Beach) and can't even get fios yet so I am stuck with Cox Cable and since I need a Static IP for work I am forced to get a Business Account and pay $120/mo + $5 per static IP.. Fios isn't any cheaper. Verizon seems to just want to match Cox vs undercut them, so right now there isn't not much competition. I actually still have Cox since Verizon has yet to fix my billing problems (what a story that is) and I'm afraid they'll delete my account again.
When I get around to it I'm going to call Cox and turn my service off unless they offer me a unfiltered bus. package with static for less than $70/mo (I'll even agree to a 2yr contract for that).
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SteveLV702
Premium
join:2004-04-22
Henderson, NV | Re: Um, yeah ya I would rather pay $99/mo for 30/5 then the $120/mo I pay now for 15/2 from Cox | |
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Lumberjack
Premium
join:2003-01-18
Newport News, VA
·Cox HSI
| Re: Um, yeah said by SteveLV702 :ya I would rather pay $99/mo for 30/5 then the $120/mo I pay now for 15/2 from Cox Me too but that isn't static and it's filtered. The business eqiv for that speed is stupid nuts. The only package that seems reasonable for home usage (business wise) is the 15/2 (it might be 20/2) and that's going to run around $120/mo with a static. Unless they've changed rates recently.
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5c077
Premium
join:2003-01-28
MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
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October 15th, @09:10AM
| Best ISP in the US, but... I think Verizon FIOS is the best ISP in the US right now, but they really need to stop with this market BS and provide their services equally.. They are really discriminating, they offer speeds based on competition and there has been 16megabit Comcast here in MD for over a year now (maybe 2 years?) and yet they are still 15/2, yet there are some areas that barely have competition or have just recently got competition and have had 20/5 for a long time now.. Sure it's their network but this type of discriminative activity should be illegal in any business... Also they need to stop being so spotty with their deployment, they started with this county around when FIOS was just announced, but it will probably be another year or so before it's actually available here.
On with the topic: It's about time symmetrical speeds are provided.. But how long before people abuse it with servers, and torrents maxing their upload all the time? I'm sure the FIOS headend can only support a few people consuming 20megabit.. If they are peering with OC12, it will only take 30 people to consume the entire thing. Even OC48 wont be able to handle such abuse from torrent seeders.
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join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA | Re: Best ISP in the US, but... Services cannot be provided equally because costs are not equal across regions. Bandwidth costs Verizon far less in the NYC area as compared to Maryland (and most other states).
It's like buying gas in Saudia Arabia vs. the US. | |
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davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Best ISP in the US, but... said by KenAF :It's like buying gas in Saudi Arabia vs. the US. Bad analogy. Refined gasoline is actually very expensive on a comparative wholesale basis in Saudi Arabia b/c much of the gasoline refinement capacity is outside of their area.
Prices are set by the government run monopoly to keep the king looking good and thus consumer fossil fuels are often sold without profit or at a loss. (Remember, SA has a monarch not a president.)
»www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j···677.html
The cheapest gas is actually in Venezuela. Price in last 2006 survey results was $0.12/gallon.
»money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/···ice.html
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Re: Best ISP in the US, but... said by davoice :Prices are set by the government run monopoly to keep the king looking good and thus consumer fossil fuels are often sold without profit or at a loss. (Remember, SA has a monarch not a president.) Since he's a monarch, what the hell does he care about "looking good"?  | |
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davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Best ISP in the US, but... said by jester121 :Since he's a monarch, what the hell does he care about "looking good"? Something to do w/ someone else feeling empowered by Allah to be the new king and being brave enough to kill him. Kings who don't keep some level of good will w/ their subjects tend to eventually end up dead. (Unless you're a tyrant and rule by fear... insert Bush/Cheney joke here.)
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Netcong, NJ
| said by KenAF :It's like buying gas in Saudia Arabia vs. the US. Not really. VZ owns MCI/UUNet. | |
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join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD
| Re: Best ISP in the US, but... said by MarkyD :said by Vamp :On with the topic: It's about time symmetrical speeds are provided.. But how long before people abuse it with servers, and torrents maxing their upload all the time? I'm sure the FIOS headend can only support a few people consuming 20megabit.. If they are peering with OC12, it will only take 30 people to consume the entire thing. Even OC48 wont be able to handle such abuse from torrent seeders. Maybe that's the reason they're not launching the higher tiers in all markets. Maybe it's offered based on the backbone capacity in an area? Don't let them fool you with technical BS. Verizon and Cablevision are in a pissing match. I really wish Comcast would say something to piss Verizon off around here but I don't see it happening. Comcast is still stuck in their delusions of grandeur..."We are the BMW of ISPs" and doesn't really care about FIOS.
What sucks for me is that I am technically in the city I am fed by a CO that is out of the city limits so I haven't gotten FIOS yet. No word on when or if I ever will. | |
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| soothsayer15
join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX
·Verizon FIOS
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| They did that for years and it didn't work. The truth is, all markets aren't the same. It's like saying a home-builder should build the same kind of houses everywhere and charge the same prices. THIS IS AMERICA!!! We have an economy where the market determines how much something is worth. In the Dallas-Fort Worth Area, Jack in the Box charges different prices for the things in different neighborhoods.
Telcos and cable companies have different rates and fees to pay in different cities, states, and counties. The infrastucture is also different. There aren't as many optical carriers coming out of Ohio as there are in Texas, so that's going to affect what you offer and how much you charge, if you care anything about Quality of Service that is.
So many people on BBR make it sound like it's so simple. I'm not sure what some of you do for a living, but it isn't telecommunications. Economics, type of network, number of customers, local regulations, and the regional value of the dollar all affect those decisions. If two neighborhoods, one in Texas the other in Pennsylvania, are the same size making the same average annual household income, the neighborhood in Texas will get wired first and it'll mostly likely be cheaper. | |
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scottiemobes
join:2007-10-15
Nutley, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
| the war has yet to begin I suspect 20/20 will be the norm VERY soon. I don't believe this will be priced at $65 forever. The market will correct itself in New York as Cablevision, Time Warner, and Comcast will have no choice but to invest heavily to increase bandwidth. The broadband war has not yet begun in NYC/NJ. Verizon's 20/20 offering WILL trigger a major price/features war. If this is true, the consumer will benefit in a HUGE way. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Cox HSI
| Re: Nice, but business... Don't expect it as long as Verizon is the only person offering 20/20. I really hope they deploy this through all their Fios zones, and advertise it, forcing other broadband providers to compete on upload speeds. Once they are really competing, things like business service will come into play.
I think computers are at that point, where anything out nowadays is going to be fast enough, people are looking at other things than clock speed. Right now, people only look at the price and download speed, eventually it will be fast enough that people look at price and features. | |
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-09
clubs:
| Re: WoW said by gatorkram :This goes to show, that when it comes to price, everyone is full of crap when they say upstream is to expensive to provide. You would get laughed at if you tried to get 20 Mbps at $3/Mbps in the real world. | |
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tater_gunz
Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH | Re: WoW Agreed. 20 Mbps (frac DS3, OC-1 or ether -- pick your poison) would probably be $1000 to $10,000 per month depending on how close you are to a backbone provider...
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB | Lucky... Consider yourselves lucky. In most (all?) of Canada, FTTH is still nothing more than a dream...
In fact here in Edmonton AB the highest you can get is 25/1 cable, which doesn't even hold up during peak hours. | |
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ztmike
Premium
join:2001-08-02 | OOL I wonder what OOL will do in NYC, As they already maxed out their service at 30/5. | |
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| blackriders
join:2005-01-16
Bronx, NY
| Re: OOL said by ztmike :I wonder what OOL will do in NYC, As they already maxed out their service at 30/5. maybe with cablevision moving to sdv it'll free up some bandwidth. Maybe they'll due something like 30/10. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: OOL said by blackriders :said by ztmike :I wonder what OOL will do in NYC, As they already maxed out their service at 30/5. maybe with cablevision moving to sdv it'll free up some bandwidth. Maybe they'll due something like 30/10. nope they'll never do that. theres only 10mbps upload on a cable node.
and if they do you'll never get near 10mbps up!
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by ztmike :I wonder what OOL will do in NYC, As they already maxed out their service at 30/5. This will SQUASH CABLE period.
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Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON
| Re: OOL People are so clueless the capabilities of cable. Trust me I do not think they are running that scared as of yet. There is more potential for fiber yes, however cable companies will be-able to compete! Also too 90% of internet users do not care about speeds...
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| node congestion issue This is really an issue of node congestion and head-end equipment rather than the last mile. Docsis 2.0 can do 42mbit down and 30mbit up (on VERY low subscriber per node ratios, which means MORE NODES, MORE FIBERS per community, $$$). Verizon can do 20/20 with NO changes for now (bpons are fully capable of this... beyond 20/20 without gpons, is not likely on the upstream), whether Cablevision can, is more of a question, especially at similar price points. I hardly ever max out my upstream consistently anyways.. I CAN max out the downstream though.. easily and would like to see greater throughput AT DISTANCE.. (those of you who know what I mean understand).
Hey, if everyone @ 20/5 were instantly upgraded to 20/20 for free, I wouldn't object. | |
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Chris123NT
join:2001-11-24
Nesconset, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| It's Real It's real, I called up and switched my 50/5 to this in the interest of saving 30 bucks a month and having a KILLER upload speed. I get the advertised speeds no problem, so I couldn't be happier with it . | |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY | Re: It's Real Post your speedtests, will ya? I'm itching to see those smokin' speeds for real.
Written on a cheap 768K DSL connection, in a poor neighborhood that'll never "see the light" in a 100 years, LOL.
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Chris123NT
join:2001-11-24
Nesconset, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: It's Real Download speed 20761 Kbps (socket test)
Upload speed 20089 Kbps (socket test)
Quality of service 99 %
Maximum pause 3 ms
Round trip time 17 ms
took the speedtest off myspeed.visualware.com as speakeasy's upload packet size is too small to provide accurate results. | |
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fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN | sweet! like my signature says, qwest needs to die!
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| hmm Actually cable is running boost users at max download of a cablenode. Boost users download cap is uncapped meaning what ever the node can handle. So max would be about 38 down(if you figure in overhead). Upload is still at 5 up.
Unless cablevision releases the narad stuff they can only either upgrade to beta docsis 3 stuff or reduce the price .
cablevision has nowhere left to go they already maxed out what docsis 2 can do. This could get interesting. | |
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| Re: hmm said by majortom1029 :Actually cable is running boost users at max download of a cablenode. Boost users download cap is uncapped meaning what ever the node can handle. So max would be about 38 down(if you figure in overhead). Upload is still at 5 up. Unless cablevision releases the narad stuff they can only either upgrade to beta docsis 3 stuff or reduce the price . cablevision has nowhere left to go they already maxed out what docsis 2 can do. This could get interesting. Nodes are so congested, that 5megabits is all they can do on the upstream? Docsis 2.0 spec is 30mbits up, but getting there would force them to split some nodes 2-3x to accommodate those who would actually USE the bandwidth.
Time will tell if the speedboost can hold water competing with symmetric FIOS. And, if not... they can lower the price or hunker down to get Docsis 3.0 underway.. it's not as if they'll lose all 2 million subscribers overnight. | |
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sneumann55
join:2002-07-27
Yonkers, NY
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·Verizon FIOS
| 20/20 Ok, i read all the posts, Whew, but being a happy fios customer, i upgraded to 20/20 today. supposedly 24 turn around, lets see. Been a very Happy camper with VZ Fios,
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ottawa_guy
join:2005-06-03
Ottawa, ON
·Storm Internet
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October 16th, @04:07PM
| Fiber Is Costly in General Well writing from Canada, I would have to say that FIOS or any fiber to the home is a dream like the other person said here.
Where I am at, there is no way to get even a cable or DSL solution. Too far from the CO for DSL service, no coax out here for cable. I am on a wireless platform. Yes plain old wireless.
I get a symmetrical 3mbps connection right now, and pay close to $70.00 a month for it. I will say this. I previously had 18/1 cable and I actually like a symmetrical connection better. Sure I get less download, but really if I need to download a ISO or a backup off one of my dedicated boxes, i'll just let it run overnight, wake up in the morning and have what I need.
As for fiber and high connectivity. I will say allowing someone to use infinite bandwidth on a 20/20 connection is insane. Considering that I have to pay metered bandwidth costs, I pay for every gigabyte that goes through my servers. I am with 3 colo centers, and the average is about the same. Take one of my servers. This is a capped 20mbps port, and I usually max it out about 6 hours or so a day at the full 20mbps.
My bandwidth for September on only one box, reads the following.
Out: Max: 20.85mbps Average: 8.40mbps Total Transfer: 2.72 TB
In: Max 1.04mbps Average: 440.37kbps Total Transfer: 142.68GB
So lets say at the price I pay for bandwidth at a datacenter $0.10 a GB or so..... It would cost Verizon $286.26 to provide you with your $60.00 connection. Certainly I would believe that it costs them more to provide that service to your home, since they need billing people, CSR's etc etc and alot more than a datacenter would.
Imagine if there was a torrent seeder or someone else going at 20mbps all of the time! I only go at 20mbps full tilt about 25-30 hours a week, imagine 24/7!
I think this speed is great, not for residential use, for business only since this can definitely benefit business, and they should have it priced at $299.95 respectively, with 5 static IP's.
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AnthonyS
join:2007-05-02
Mclean, VA
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October 23rd, @02:19PM
| Not just NYC... It's being offered everywhere FiOS is offered in NY, as well as NJ and CT. | |
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PGHammer
join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
clubs: | Re: Not just NYC... In short, areas where CableVision is the competition.
Is this offered *thoughout* those threee states? | |
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jpoplive
join:2006-06-22
Tampa, FL
| I just got 20/20 in tampa , FL I have 20/20 in tampa fl. The thing is you have to know about it to get it. If you call the online number they do not have a clue that it is even offered. I had to call the US billing office to get it. I now have the fastest internet in my area. I am the first to get 20/20 in my area. I know this because the man who installed it told me this. He said the when he show it to his workmate in the verizon yard they thought it was a misprint.
So you may have it in your area you just have to ask for it. | |
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